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Looks like Digimon is coming back:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/advertorial/2017-05-15/the-return-of-digimon/.116065

The Digi-Destined return! After fifteen years (though not quite so long in anime time), the adventures of Taichi “Tai” Kamiya and his loyal Digimon partner Agumon continue. The story brings back their beloved band of friends – Yamato “Matt” Ishida, plus Sora, Izzy, Mimi, Joe, T.K., and Taichi's sister Hikari. And of course the Digimons are back as well – not just Agumon, but also Gabumon, Piyomon, Gomamon, Palmon, Patamon, Tentomon and Tailmon. For the millions of viewers who grew up with them on TV (and were introduced to anime in the process), now is the time to catch up with old friends!

The new story is set six years after the kids first crossed over into the Digital World and partnered with their Digimons (short for Digital Monsters), as seen in the original Digimon TV series. It's been three years since their last battle, shown in the series Digimon Adventure 02. The gate to the Digital World is now closed. On Earth, the kids are growing up – they're teenagers now, and going to Tokyo high schools. At the ripe old age of 17, Taichi has to think about exams and his adult future. The days when he was a hero, fighting alongside his human and Digimon buddies, are long gone…

Until, that is, monstrously infected Digimons start breaking into our world to rain chaos and destruction down on Tokyo! Luckily, Agumon and the other hero Digmons reappear close on their tails, and have a joyful reunion with their human soulmates. But as the battle is fought on our side of the gate, through the scenery of Tokyo, so the carnage starts to mount up. There are tensions between old friends. At the same time, the Digi-Destined must also deal with their changing feelings for each other (remember, they're teenagers now!), and investigate what's behind this terrifying Digimon invasion…

The first in a six-film series, Reunion beings the next epic adventure for the original Digimon characters, made in celebration of the fifteenth anniversary of the franchise. Unlike most Western cartoons, Reunion gives viewers the chance to see their friends grow up. The Digi-Destined have been given attractive new designs by Atsuya Uki, who also designed the characters for Kenji Nakamura's striking series tsuritama.

In the Japanese voice-track, all the Digi-Destined have been recast, with the new actors led by Natsuki Hanae (Inaho in Aldnoah.Zero, Kosei in Your Lie in April) as Taichi and Yoshimasa Hosoya (Sentaro in Kids on the Slope, Haru in HAL) as Matt. However, some of the original Digimon dub voice-actors are back for the new series: Joshua Seth as Taichi, Collen O'Shaghnessey as Sora, Mona Marshall as Izzy and Philece Sampler as Mimi. The new dub voices include Vic Mignogna, famed as Edward Elric from Fullmetal Alchemist, as Taichi's friend (and sometimes rival), Matt.

As for the heroic Digimons themselves, the Japanese version brings back all eight actors, including Chika Sakamoto as Agumon. (Trivia: Sakamoto was also little Mei in My Neighbor Totoro!) The English dub brings back many of the Digimons too. There's Tom Fahn as Agumon, Anna Garduno as Palmon, Jeff Nimoy as Tentomon, Kirk Thornton as Gabumon, Laura Summers as Patamon and R. Martin Klein as Gonamon.

Digimon Adventure tri.: Reunion is available this week on Blu-ray/DVD/Digital in English with the original English voice cast, plus Japanese audio with English sub-titles and new bonus features. Look for the second film, Determination, in August from Shout! Factory.
 
Check out the dumbest/greatest piece of merchandise from a Japanese burger place in Vegas called FukuBurger.

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I just finished Koe no Katachi, and I didn't care for it at all. I guess I was expecting more from it since people really like the manga and hyped the hell out of this film and crying about "FEEEELS ARE REEEEALS", but I don't think it's anything amazing. It only got attention because it has a deaf main character, but outside of that, nothing remotely interesting happened after the timeskip. I don't know let alone care how much the movie got right about the manga, I just feel bored and disappointed. It doesn't deserve that absurdly-high score on MAL, but "muh FEEEEELS" are how people rate anything these days.

Also the KyoAni style was just distracting. Naoka looks too much like Reina from Hibike that that was all I could think of--and I didn't like that series much, either.
 
I just finished Koe no Katachi, and I didn't care for it at all. I guess I was expecting more from it since people really like the manga and hyped the hell out of this film and crying about "FEEEELS ARE REEEEALS", but I don't think it's anything amazing. It only got attention because it has a deaf main character, but outside of that, nothing remotely interesting happened after the timeskip. I don't know let alone care how much the movie got right about the manga, I just feel bored and disappointed. It doesn't deserve that absurdly-high score on MAL, but "muh FEEEEELS" are how people rate anything these days.

Also the KyoAni style was just distracting. Naoka looks too much like Reina from Hibike that that was all I could think of--and I didn't like that series much, either.
yeeeaaah packing a 62 chapter manga into two hour long movie was a bad idea. I'll never understanding why people suck off KyoAni so much. They really just produce the same crap over and over again while making it pretty.
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For real the manga is highly recommend from me.
 
I'll never understanding why people suck off KyoAni so much. They really just produce the same crap over and over again while making it pretty.

While I did like Free!, and Kyoukai no Kanata had its moments, the last anime I really enjoyed from KyoAni was CLANNAD, and it'll probably always be the best thing to come out of the studio. Since K-On! came afterwards, that's when I'm guessing everything started taking a nosedive for them and they felt they have to appeal to the moé fans. I've yet to watch K-On!, admittedly, and I do want to watch it, but it's obvious what all these KyoAni shows take after, and that's probably where all the fawning fans spawned from.

I'll highly applaud KyoAni for putting their best into the art in their anime, but there needs to be more variety in what they produce. (And since Nichijou bombed hard over there, they probably don't want to risk doing something like that again.)
 
While I did like Free!, and Kyoukai no Kanata had its moments, the last anime I really enjoyed from KyoAni was CLANNAD, and it'll probably always be the best thing to come out of the studio. Since K-On! came afterwards, that's when I'm guessing everything started taking a nosedive for them and they felt they have to appeal to the moé fans. I've yet to watch K-On!, admittedly, and I do want to watch it, but it's obvious what all these KyoAni shows take after, and that's probably where all the fawning fans spawned from.

I'll highly applaud KyoAni for putting their best into the art in their anime, but there needs to be more variety in what they produce. (And since Nichijou bombed hard over there, they probably don't want to risk doing something like that again.)
Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid was the antithesis of the typical KyoAni show, and that was one of the top-sellers last season, so perhaps they'll start expanding a bit more. (And hopefully not just to shows about massive dragon tits.)

Koe no Katachi looked a lot more like an attempt to cash in on Your Name than anything. I have a feeling we're going to be getting a bunch of Oscar-bait high school romances in its wake, and I'm not all too fond of it. Tsuki ga Kirei is another one that's getting consistently high reviews while boring me out of my skull.
 
The latest chapter of Tokyo Ghoul:re consisted entirely of the two main characters having sex. While many people are happy or otherwise fine with this some are REEEing because "muh precious yaoi." But hey Tumblr amirite?

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The latest chapter of Tokyo Ghoul:re consisted entirely of the two main characters having sex. While many people are happy or otherwise fine with this some are REEEing because "muh precious yaoi." But hey Tumblr amirite?


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HOW DARE THEY BE HAPPY
those icky hereto sex are ruining yaoi fantasies of many. despite that this relationship was probably developing to this point for a long time. I haven't read Tokyo ghoul, but how did they not see this coming?
 
The latest chapter of Tokyo Ghoul:re consisted entirely of the two main characters having sex. While many people are happy or otherwise fine with this some are REEEing because "muh precious yaoi." But hey Tumblr amirite?


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HOW DARE THEY BE HAPPY

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Meanwhile on MAL, it's the opposite in that they're being rather immature about it what with (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) and such being posted in every other comment. 'Course I guess the readers are just shocked it happened as such, but I'm not even reading the manga, so it's not like I care.

But good on the mangaka for going all the way, I guess.
 
those icky hereto sex are ruining yaoi fantasies of many. despite that this relationship was probably developing to this point for a long time. I haven't read Tokyo ghoul, but how did they not see this coming?

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Meanwhile on MAL, it's the opposite in that they're being rather immature about it what with (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) and such being posted in every other comment. 'Course I guess the readers are just shocked it happened as such, but I'm not even reading the manga, so it's not like I care.

But good on the mangaka for going all the way, I guess.
To be fair the sex and what lead up to it kinda came out of left field so I understand the shock. The chapter reads like a doujin and it does feel kind of surreal, but it's not overly explicit. The development of their relationship was there though so if any pairing was gonna become canon it was obviously this one.
 
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Anime is the gateway to becoming a tranny. Or something. Quite the word salad, in any event.

Masculinity, anime, and gender dysphoria

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Anyone who spends a lot of time with the transgender debate will notice sooner or later that there are a ton of young trans-identifying males who are into anime, using anime girls for their social media avatars, sharing memes related to cute anime girls, and so on. We don’t have statistic or anything to confirm it (would be a strange thing to research), but the correlation seems beyond coincidence, and in this article I will put forth a theory on the dynamics behind the phenomenon, as someone who spent 5+ years in the anime community of 4chan, and developed a very mild form of gender dysphoria and autogynephilia during the same time.
Indeed, it’s a regular occurrence that people from the “Anime & Manga” board of 4chan visit the LGBT board and ask, explicitly: could it be that anime made me trans? Here’s a good example of a thread with many people admitting there being a connection:
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/7538520/
Their theories vary of course, and those convinced by gender identity ideology frame it as merely “discovering” themselves to be trans after getting into anime, as they don’t believe one can develop the conditions that lead to trans identification. They believe one can only be born trans.

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A formerly “cis” 4chan user talking about how he began identifying with an anime girl
To properly understand the phenomenon, or at least my theory of it, one needs to begin with an analysis of boys’ socialization into masculinity.
Masculinity
The stereotyping of humans in accordance with their sex begins before birth.
Yes, before birth.
I’ll update this article if I manage to find the study again, but basically, scientists observed how parents react when the unborn baby kicks, and found that, if the parents know the baby to be male, they are more likely to ascribe the kicking to the fact that the child is male and therefore assumed to be more physically active by nature.
Another study found that adults stereotype infants with accordance to the pitch of their cries. Low-pitched cries are attributed to boys whereas high-pitched cries are attributed to girls. When the sex of the infant is known, the pitch is assumed to signify how feminine or masculine the child is. When a male infant cries with a high pitch, it’s assumed to have a more serious cause than when a female infant does so, because female infants are assumed to cry with a high pitch anyway.
I’m giving these examples not to argue that kids begin to be affected by sex stereotypes starting before or soon after birth. I’m not an expert on neurological development, but would assume that babies that young don’t have the capacity to process how others treat them beyond a very basic level. My point is, rather, that by the time a child’s mind is developed enough to respond to such stereotyping treatment, the stereotyping is already happening. We spend not even the earliest phases of our mental development in an environment free of sex stereotypes. Our consciousness is born into a sex stereotyping environment, and grows within it starting from day zero.
For stages later than infancy, I’m not sure if there’s scientific evidence, but I would assume that my claims here are relatively uncontroversial: watch how parents, perhaps men in particular, interact with boys who even just begin to walk and talk, and you are likely to notice that expectations of masculinity are already there. Vaguely, the boy will be taught to be loud, active, self-asserting, to be king. If he is meek, passive, gentle, or otherwise “feminine” or “effeminate,” the boy will be met with disapproval or disappointment. Toy preferences will be policed: no, you don’t want to play with the pony with the glittering mane or the Barbie doll with the pretty hair and dress, those are for girls. Clothing is policed: only girls wear cute, pink, frilly dresses and skirts, or t-shirts with pretty kittens or princesses or whatever on them…
Now, I’m not trying to give a gendered upbringing 101 lesson. Especially for people well versed in feminist theory, all this stuff is basic. Instead, I want to draw attention to a very particular aspect of masculine upbringing, which ties into our topic.
A large part of masculine socialization is dependent on the killing of positive emotions that are deemed feminine, and the prevention of many ways of thinking and behaving that simply make a person feel wholesome, because they are simultaneously deemed to be girly.
I’m not the first to point this out. Andrea Dworkin talked about it as well if I remember correctly. (I probably picked it up from her.) The brilliant bell hooks explains the same thing the following way, as I’ve found just recently:

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The first act of violence that patriarchy demands of males is not violence towards women. Instead patriarchy demands of all males that they engage in acts of psychic self-mutilation, that they kill off the emotional parts of themselves. If an individual is not successful in emotionally crippling himself, he can count on patriarchal men to enact rituals of power that will assault his self-esteem.
To elaborate: the boy has to be loud and active, so he can’t relax. He has to assert himself, which means conflict and stress. He can’t be too gentle — even to the things he loves — because he’s not some kind of faggot now, is he? It becomes worse when boys begin to ridicule, ostracize, bully each other based on perceived effeminacy. It becomes really soul-breaking at that point. Sure, masculine socialization means learning to be the oppressor under patriarchy, but for the individual boy, especially the one who has no natural predisposition to the characteristics expected of masculinity, who instead is soft and gentle by nature, the role he is expected to play is his doom.
For many, the result is massive repression. Repress all the positive emotions. Even if you’re not very active, never just relax and enjoy the calm; sulk around with a grim face instead. If you dare to feel light-hearted joy in the first place: don’t dare expressing it with a heartfelt laugh, because laughing is for when you’re victorious over your rival whom you’ve just dominated — otherwise it’s a frivolous girly expression. Gentle touches and caresses are for girls and faggots, so you don’t let anyone touch you. If you can’t be the glorious masculine hero, you become the emotionless robot, the gloomy depressed kid who’s indifferent to pretty much anything, because then at least he’s not girly.
This more or less describes most of my childhood, adolescent, and young adult years, and currently I have to watch the same thing happening to a younger brother, who has a lot of softness inside of him just like me.
Of course, repression never fully works. The boy is left with a deeply seated longing for all those “feminine”-deemed feelings. A longing for enjoying life again. For being allowed to enjoy life, even.
And now, enter the anime subculture.
Cute Girls Doing Cute Things

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Yuyushiki main characters being cute
This is literally a genre of anime. Frequently abbreviated CGDCT.
Famous examples: Azumanga Daioh, K-On!, YuruYuri, A Channel, Hidamari Sketch, Non Non Biyori, Yuyushiki, Gochuumon wa Usagi Desu ka, Yama no Susume, and the list goes on. These are all just off the top of my head.
Officially, their genre tends to be listed as comedy and “slice of life.” Slice of life is sometimes also called iyashikei — a Japanese word meaning literally “healing.”

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Miyako from Hidamari Sketch. One of the overall best anime in history, to be quite honest.
Generally, all the main characters are female. Male characters tend to be rare, sometimes entirely absent from the series. The context is oftentimes a girls’ high-school or something similar.
And all the characters are ultra-feminine blobs of cuteness who tend to express their utter joy in life in the most cheerful and dramatic ways possible, or at least represent various stereotypes of femininity that exist in Japanese culture. They showcase purified, sterilized, highly idealized versions of femininity.
So this is like My Little Pony and “bronies” then, right? Adult men creating a subculture around cartoons made for young girls?
Well, not quite. These anime are made for men. The official target demographic is more often than not “seinen,” meaning adolescent boys and young men, sometimes older men even. Which is also why the female characters are frequently covertly or overtly sexualized. (I won’t even get into the whole pedophilic aspect of it.)
The Japanese seem to have learned to turn the repressed femininity of young men into profit.
By the way, said representation of female characters is not unique to CGDCT. Romantic comedies, action anime, and really any genre of anime frequently contain female characters of the same nature. One doesn’t need to indulge in die-hard CGDCT subculture to be bathed in this representation of joyful hyper-femininity.

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Inari with the divine foxes. One of my all-time favorite characters. Maximum cute, maximum healing.
For the repressed lonely boy, getting into such anime is first of all a way to indulge in the joys of femininity in a way he himself finds acceptable. It may not be entirely socially acceptable for young men to watch “girly” anime, but the male-dominated subculture around them, and the knowledge that the anime are “officially” made for young men, provides sufficient self-justification to overcome the internal fear of indulging in the “girly.” Moreover, the female characters are not only adored, but frequently also sexualized, which provides further masculinity-conformant justification.
Eventually, since the anime girl represents all those repressed emotions in the purest, most concentrated way possible, and as the boy indulges more and more in the media, he is overcome with the desire of becoming like her. A strong identification with the cute anime girl forms. He finally admits he always wanted to be soft and gentle like her, carefree and cheerful like her, enjoy life in its fullest without the heavy chains of masculinity, like her.
And a belief in “female gender identity” begins to form.
I have to go on a slight digression at this point.
I don’t have a straightforward explanation of why this identification also leads to the development of autogynephilia — why the boy begins desiring to be sexually passive and submissive, even becoming “pseudo bisexual” in Blanchard’s terms, when he is originally heterosexual. Sure, masculinity very strictly forbids sexual submission (especially submission to other men), so if there were a natural desire for submission then those feelings would be repressed along with the others, but why would an average straight boy have feelings of sexual submission in the first place? (I doubt that anyperson naturally has such feelings.)
I suppose it has something to do with seeing such sexually submissive performance as part of the whole package of glamorized femininity. Perhaps, frequent consumption of pornography, in which women are portrayed behaving sexually submissive and enjoying it, causes the boys to subconsciously associate sexual submission with pleasure, and after the floodgates of femininity are opened, this also surfaces. Indeed, many people seem to have an autogynephilic fetish that is more strictly sexual in nature, and that in turn has often been theorized (by the men who have the fetish) to be related to porn consumption. So possibly we’re dealing with an interaction between two distinct psychological processes: a porn-induced subconscious association between behaving sexually submissive and receiving sexual pleasure, leading to the development of a latent autogynephilic fetish, which then surfaces through the embracing of total femininity when repressed feelings explode through identification with cute anime girls who are able to enjoy life.
Perhaps a little far-fetched, but it’s the best I’ve got for now to explain how autogynephilic fetishism ties into the theory of repressed positive/feminine feelings.
Let us go back to feminine identification and gender dysphoria though.
The boy who had repressed positive, life-affirming emotions his whole life has finally found salvation through his cute anime girls who show him how to live life to its fullest. How to be a cheerful person radiating all kinds of love and joy. It’s not merely a superficial attachment. It can be experienced as a very deep, sincere feeling, which finally pulls him out of a life-long depression.
This is why the boy begins to feel not just regular discomfort with his body, which he finds ugly according to conventional beauty norms; rather, the mere maleness of his body starts to feel like a profound contradiction with what he finally finds within himself. The boy still being brainwashed by masculine ideology, the body causes extreme cognitive dissonance and distress, because it’s connected in his mind with the polar opposite of his newly found true and inner self. If I’m a cute, soft, cheerful girl on the inside, he thinks, how could I possibly have a manly body like this? How creepy, disgusting, and plain ridiculous would I look behaving like the cute girl that I am on the inside, when I’m going through all the motions with this male body?
So there you get gender dysphoria. Your whole life you’ve been taught that you’re supposed not to be like the feminine girls and instead a masculine boy, which you subconsciously hated, perhaps to the point of suicidality, and now you’ve finally discovered, and fully embraced, that you’re “really” a feminine girl, but the male body is still there and ruining everything. It’s reminding people that you’re actually male — no, it’s making them think that you’re male. So you jump around between trying to modify (maybe even mutilate) your body into a more feminine shape, and yelling at people that just because you have a male body, doesn’t mean that you’re not really a girl.
It’s a miserable state to be in, and I don’t wish it on anyone.
Not to excuse any of the misogyny coming from guys like this. Women didn’t do this to them, and women aren’t responsible for fixing the issue.

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Transgender male on 4chan expressing violent hatred for his female psychiatrist, attached with an image of an angry anime girl. For some reason, he thinks serious gender dysphoria precludes the possibility of having an autogynephilic aspect to the condition.
As a final remark, let me add that anime with cute girls in them is just one possible way in which repressed femininity can explode. Representations of glamorized femininity exist in a lot of media and around us, so for any individual young man, the gateway to gender dysphoria may be something entirely different, and may occur in various stages of life. I suspect that the story I’m telling here applies not only to anime-obsessed transgender males, but to many more of them. Possibly, the same general phenomenon explains the dysphoria of many younger boys as well, and not just adolescents.
One way or another, we must abolish gender if we want to fight this issue. Until then, expect to see more young men who hate their body to the point of desiring medical intervention, and who enter an existential crisis if you even just suggest to them that they are perhaps not literally a girl.
 
I just finished Koe no Katachi, and I didn't care for it at all. I guess I was expecting more from it since people really like the manga and hyped the hell out of this film and crying about "FEEEELS ARE REEEEALS", but I don't think it's anything amazing. It only got attention because it has a deaf main character, but outside of that, nothing remotely interesting happened after the timeskip. I don't know let alone care how much the movie got right about the manga, I just feel bored and disappointed. It doesn't deserve that absurdly-high score on MAL, but "muh FEEEEELS" are how people rate anything these days.

Also the KyoAni style was just distracting. Naoka looks too much like Reina from Hibike that that was all I could think of--and I didn't like that series much, either.

Compressing what really should be a full cour/two cour show into a 2 hour film was super super dumb. Mostly because the story in Koe no Katachi's pretty well done and has excellent pacing when spread across its 62 issues.

I've not bothered watching the film, but I can guess fairly well at how characters have been nerfed down to boiled in the bag archetypes, a lot of the more subtle and nuanced scenes and discussions will have been nuked clean off the face of the earth and entire swathes of character development and expansion of the supporting cast (which is what helps so much with muh feels for the Manga) will have also vanished without a single trace, or throw away line to say "sorry, we didn't have time to show this, but here's a reference to it."

How far off the mark am I?
 
Compressing what really should be a full cour/two cour show into a 2 hour film was super super dumb. Mostly because the story in Koe no Katachi's pretty well done and has excellent pacing when spread across its 62 issues.

I've not bothered watching the film, but I can guess fairly well at how characters have been nerfed down to boiled in the bag archetypes, a lot of the more subtle and nuanced scenes and discussions will have been nuked clean off the face of the earth and entire swathes of character development and expansion of the supporting cast (which is what helps so much with muh feels for the Manga) will have also vanished without a single trace, or throw away line to say "sorry, we didn't have time to show this, but here's a reference to it."

How far off the mark am I?

I wouldn't know, but that sounds about right. I couldn't really tell you anything about the characters anyway because I couldn't remember names, let alone what their personalities are like. I just only remember the deaf girl wanting to see the fireworks up close or something so she stands on the balcony wall and causes the guy to fall saving her. It was at that moment that I stopped caring for her because she was an idiot. I think even actual deaf people know better than to stand up on a balcony wall like that.

I think what gets me the most is how much MAL is fawning over this film. Everyone loves the manga and scores it high points because "MUH FEELS", but no one's daring to question the quality of the film just because it's KyoAni, and "MUH FEELS". Maybe they're filling in the blanks all by themselves 'cause they read the manga, but they shouldn't have to do that. It makes us non-manga readers look "dumb" or "heartless" for daring to question the quality of these adaptations. Because there is something wrong with it, most of us just can't explain it.

It's the same with other anime like Kimi no Na wa. and ERASED in that everyone fucking loves them, yet there's some of us who just shrug them off or think they're not that good. Because... well, they're really not that good enough to get scored a "10" across the board. Kimi no Na wa. is original and beautifully animated, but it tries too hard to be a Makoto Shinkai film while subverting the status quo. ERASED got fucked up by A-1 Pictures by the halfway point, or even earlier since apparently they weren't really subtle about who the killer was from the start unlike in the manga, supposedly. Same with Your Lie in April.

But it's feels over facts with weeaboos, I guess.

I'm so glad I decided to skip out on Berserk Season 2.

Because what the fuck is this shit.

Lol what the fuck? A friend described it as thus: "He's moving the way south park does", but I just have to ask, "How does this happen in CG?"
 
Lol what the fuck? A friend described it as thus: "He's moving the way south park does", but I just have to ask, "How does this happen in CG?"
You find some of the worst animators in the CG industry and get them to animate a weekly TV show.

Seriously, this is reaching Video Benquido/Asylum levels of animation. How do they find this anywhere close to acceptable for television?
 
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