💬 Off-Topic Transgender Legislation and Litigation

[Nobody Important]

Testosterone is Schedule III in the US, because jocks. I don't think estrogen or blockers are scheduled at all.

 

[bouquetnine]

Strangio tried to dump the Title IX case to avoid another SCOTUS ass kicking. That request was denied.

Judge denies trans athlete’s ‘manipulative’ attempt to kill SCOTUS sports ban case

Something jumped out at me as I was reading through this thread:

From the Fox news article:

From the NY post article:

I hate bots and shills, even they're on my side. There are at least 2 more pairs of identical comments. At least by they're the same users so it could be a genuine person that has a chip on their shoulder doing a drive by with a set of pre-written talking points, but I'm cynical.

 

[obsdj]

Hecox's efforts to have the case dropped aren't completely over, as SCOTUS must still rule on whether the case is moot.

Update: SCOTUS refused to moot the case. Oral argument WILL be had.

 

[shatterspinel]

Testosterone is Schedule III in the US, because jocks. I don't think estrogen or blockers are scheduled at all.

I don’t think that anyone thought there would be a market for non medical estrogen, it’s not a steroid and every woman no matter how uneducated has a sense that more estrogen is going to possibly make them fat and moody as opposed to prettier. And definitely not the blockers which are hardcore prostate cancer drugs used to chemically castrate sex offenders.

I don’t think anyone realized how many men would be liable to transition after society decided it wasn’t going to put them on the streets if people knew about their cross dressing. It was 1:200,000 in the early 2000’s, they probably assumed it would still be less than a tenth of a percent after the public awareness campaign.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

A truly said day in Bizarro world.

The Minnesota Supreme Court has ruled that you cannot ban mentally ill male cross dressers from playing on the girl's team.

"Advocates on Wednesday celebrated a Minnesota Supreme Court ruling that found USA Powerlifting violated the state's Human Rights Act in barring a transgender woman from competition. The state Supreme Court in its ruling said that "USA Powerlifting's policy at the time of the decision was to categorically exclude transgender women from competing in the women's division" and reversed part of an appeals court ruling on the issue.

JayCee Cooper is a transgender athlete who was denied entry into two women's competitions in 2018. She sued, arguing that doing so amounted to discrimination and violated Minnesota's Human Rights Act.

USA Powerlifting argued its policy wasn't because of her transgender status, but because she had "strength advantages."

"The court found USA Powerlifting liable for discrimination," Gender Justice Legal Director Jess Braverman said. "In other words, that when it comes to discrimination, public accommodation, you cannot bar transgender women from women's sports teams, and that is a huge victory. We are so proud."

The Supreme Court did send one issue — a business discrimination claim Cooper made — back to lower court proceedings. But Braverman said the outcome of those proceedings would not affect the settled issue of discrimination in public accommodations.

"JayCee Cooper won on public accommodations. That's not changing no matter what," Braverman said. " ... Even if we took the business claim to its end and even if USA Powerlifting were successful on that, they would still lose on public accommodations and be liable to her for discrimination."

WCCO has reached out to USA Powerlifting for comment but has not heard back.

A statement from Minnesota House Republicans called the state Supreme Court's ruling "another setback in the fight to protect girls' sports."

Minnesota Supreme Court rules USA Powerlifting discriminated against trans athlete

 

[Surfin Terf]

A truly said day in Bizarro world.

The Minnesota Supreme Court has ruled that you cannot ban mentally ill male cross dressers from playing on the girl's team.

Here is the ruling
I haven't read through these yet and IANAL, but I will be shocked if they ever address why barring non-trans males from playing on women's teams is not discrimination based on gender identity.

It's such an obvious point, but I don't see anyone bring it up on either side. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Even if we accept their deranged, unscientific framework of gender and sex barring trans "women" from women's sports would be discrimination based on sex, not gender identity. So would barring non-trans men from women's sport. If we accept one but not the other the only relevant difference seems to be gender identity, so how the hell can you conclude that you need to allow trans-identifying males into women's sports but not other males?

And the MN Supreme Court seems to agree to a degree... but then how are women-only leagues legal at all?


Of course, they freely jump between sex and gender identity and even sexual orientation (which seems to be based on an absolute insane definition enshrined in MN law) which illustrates how the gender people push this shit through with the help of completely clueless allies


But this argument from the original district court ruling in favor of the troon is objectively untrue


If I order a burger and they serve me a salad and tell me it's a burger, I'm not sending it back because they told me it's a burger, it's because it's not what I ordered. I would have sent it back whether they told me it was a salad or an omelette. By the same token, the USA Powerlifting women's league is rejecting Cooper not because he claims to be a woman but because he is male. No one has presented any evidence that if his "sexual orientation" was different that they would have accepted him. This leads the appeals court to make the objectively correct ruling


The MN Supreme Court continues to ignore that and decides that because Cooper is being discriminated against it must be because he's trans... with absolutely no evidence of this. They also aren't allowing black men to compete in women's powerlifting competitions, should we conclude that they're discriminating against blacks? They use the fact that USA Powerlifting specifically mentioned "transgender women", but that's simply because they were expressing that they were not an exception. A simple concept that children can understand but which somehow flew over the honorable justices' heads.



This is so retarded that I don't even know where to begin. Why would this argument not apply to males or steroid users? I wouldn't do especially well in a women's weightlifting competition despite being a man, should I be allowed until they can prove that I have a competitive advantage?


Consistently, they dismiss USA Powerlifting's defenses with little or no evidence and accept Cooper's claims with little or not skepticism. There is an unreasonable standard of evidence placed on USA Powerlifting that they must prove that all males are stronger than all females or else it is just a stereotype and impermissible.



I'm stopping here. This is just a really dogshit ruling on every level. I really hope that they can get this before the US Supreme Court since it's a (inter)national organization.

 

[Diet Coke 4 Life]

Three solutions -

(a) case goes to the US Supreme Court and gets hammered to dogshit in favor of USA Powerlifting.

(b) USA Powerlifting simply cancels all events in Minnesota siting its lack of care for fairness in women's competition.

(c) The one I hope for - some buff as fuck dude presents with "I identify as a woman today" and smashes the ever-living fuck out of our trans-gorl in every way, like that dude did to the trans fuckface in Canada. The whining and crying on TikTok about how 'this man just entered the competition and it wasn't fair' would be glorious.

 

[Stabby_Pencil]

Three solutions -

(a) case goes to the US Supreme Court and gets hammered to dogshit in favor of USA Powerlifting.

(b) USA Powerlifting simply cancels all events in Minnesota siting its lack of care for fairness in women's competition.

(c) The one I hope for - some buff as fuck dude presents with "I identify as a woman today" and smashes the ever-living fuck out of our trans-gorl in every way, like that dude did to the trans fuckface in Canada. The whining and crying on TikTok about how 'this man just entered the competition and it wasn't fair' would be glorious.

(D) All of the above happening at the same time.

 

[Troon Meet Noose]

(D) All of the above happening at the same time.

Can't have both B and C at the same time.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

"This is an overreaction because there was only one rapist in the girls bathroom." - ACLU Spokesman

Exact same logic.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

Three solutions -

(a) case goes to the US Supreme Court and gets hammered to dogshit in favor of USA Powerlifting.

(b) USA Powerlifting simply cancels all events in Minnesota siting its lack of care for fairness in women's competition.

(c) The one I hope for - some buff as fuck dude presents with "I identify as a woman today" and smashes the ever-living fuck out of our trans-gorl in every way, like that dude did to the trans fuckface in Canada. The whining and crying on TikTok about how 'this man just entered the competition and it wasn't fair' would be glorious.

I would put a twist on (b) - USA Powerlifting cancels all women's events in Minnesota, make it obvious and make it political.

Trans madness is madness.

 

[UncleTusky]

How do they even know there was only one in the state? Between privacy laws + the ability to change gender markers on birth certificates then seal the original I have a hard time believing anyone could do an authoritative census of troon athletes. Without that the whole narrative breaks down.

 

[No Thank You v 2.0]

"This is an overreaction because there was only one rapist in the girls bathroom." - ACLU Spokesman

Exact same logic.

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I kinda feel sorry for this boy for starting the group he was later banned from, but it’s also very female to put in all the work so others can have fun while you watch from the sidelines. Take the affirmation where you can get it, Fischer!

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

I kinda feel sorry for this boy for starting the group he was later banned from

I don't. He never belonged there in the first place. Also how much did he actually "help"? The article is tranny ass kissing so we can assume that it makes the trannies involvement more important that it actually was.

 

[Scientifically Inaccurate]

I kinda feel sorry for this boy for starting the group he was later banned from, but it’s also very female to put in all the work so others can have fun while you watch from the sidelines. Take the affirmation where you can get it, Fischer!

I feel sorry for the kid because, being in seventh grade, he is definitely being failed by numerous adults around him who should be telling him he's not a girl. And that's presuming they didn't push him into it to begin with.

But for starting the group and getting kicked out, no.

 

[Surfin Terf]

"This is an overreaction because there was only one rapist in the girls bathroom." - ACLU Spokesman

Exact same logic.

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If there are a lot of trannies affected then they would complain about the law having too great an impact, if there are too few affected then they complain about it not being needed. I wonder what the correct number would be?

 

[Ed Special]

if there are too few affected then they complain about it not being needed.

The overwhelming majority of men aren't rapists, but that doesn't stop us from needing laws punishing rapists.

 

[Twix Eatr]

Something jumped out at me as I was reading through this thread:

From the Fox news article:
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From the NY post article:
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I hate bots and shills, even they're on my side. There are at least 2 more pairs of identical comments. At least by they're the same users so it could be a genuine person that has a chip on their shoulder doing a drive by with a set of pre-written talking points, but I'm cynical.

I'll continue saying this: with LLMs passing the Turing test, you can never trust anything on the internet ever again. reddit is 100% a psyop to shift public opinion via pluralistic ignorance. Bots are in the hands of average people now and have been in the hands of the powerful for quite some time. Forums like these will have a bit longer life, but shit's never going back to normal online.

Anyway, to give you some hope, bots often just copy a real response that's gotten some updoots. It's a way to build accounts up in good standing on certain platforms. So you'll see them recycled on similar articles. A little more digging into their profiles or whatever may reveal something like that.

So what I'm getting from this is that yet another medical center has announced they will cease doing that thing they said literally never happens literally anywhere.

What I'm realizing is that the super odd 19 age requirement has to be for plausible deniability re: transing minors, right? 19 and under can totally just be 18-year-olds and not kids.

If there's a legit reason, someone tell me.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

Dallas pediatrician sued over providing hormone treatments to teens surrenders medical license

'Aimed at transgender kids': CHCCS changes policies in compliance with new bill

 

[Potato Burrito]

Dallas pediatrician sued over providing hormone treatments to teens surrenders medical license

'Aimed at transgender kids': CHCCS changes policies in compliance with new bill

From the first article:

Calling her a “scofflaw” and a “radical gender activist,” [Texas Attorney General Ken] Paxton last year also accused Lau of “falsifying medical records, prescriptions, and billing records” by inserting a puberty blocker device into a 15-year-old and billing the patient’s insurance for an endocrine disorder instead of the patient’s gender dysphoria. Paxton had asked Lau for $1 million, which includes civil penalties and other costs.

What compels a doctor to risk their license and potentially throw their whole career away to juice up little girls with testosterone? Insane.