US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Current members of the House of Representatives
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Current members of the US Supreme Court
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Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/

 

[Breadbassket]

Minor Dissent isn’t a lefty, he’s a weird radical centrist type whose political foundation fundamentally boils down to “politics are a waste of time and you should focus on self improvement”.

His following used to mostly be BTC maxxers and more esoteric right wing chud types. That was until it came out that the insurance CEO shooter Mangione was one of his followers and they apparently conversed a lot on Twitter. This caused his following to blow up overnight with tons of new leftist (women) followers. I’m not sure where he stands politically now, but I’m pretty certain that tweet is intended to be a): provocative, and b): an extension of his idea that “yesterday’s left wing politics are tomorrow’s right wing politics, turning the clock back on culture is impossible” which is one of his core points regarding the folly of political poisoning. Interesting guy.

He seems like a fascinating individual at the very least. His views sound a lot like political nihilism. As for the idea that "yesterday's left wings politics are tomorrow's right wing politics" he does have somewhat of a point when it comes to American history but how does such a stance explain countries with a republican system of governance becoming right-leaning dictatorships? Perhaps it's more of an issue with institutional control and influence, not an outcome that is guaranteed to occur.

 

[YarrBlueballs]

Ah yeas Schrödinger’s founding father, the founding fathers are simultaneously brave revolutionary lefties but also evil right wingers that allowed slavery. I think trying to ascribe such notions of the modern definition of left and right onto people who had no concept or idea of such things is stupid and misses out on important historical context.

The Founding Fathers didn't even want some grand break from what was already set as the standards at the time. Representative democracy? Already done with the house of commons and house of lords, basically transferred over. Kingship? We elect a defacto king, the Federalist papers explicitly calling for a strong and kingly executive. Property rights and voting privileges? Already done since fucking Rome, and copied extensively across Europe. Anti-slavery sentiment? UK already banned slavery domestically, and slavery was already starting it's slow death.

Literally reading the Declaration of Independence (and later documents) would prove the progressive views wrong. The Founders wanted what was previously guaranteed, and then basically said fuck it they'll make their own when the UK failed to uphold their end of the social contract of society as extrapolated in Leviathan by Hobbes. The only, and I mean ONLY, "progressive" sentiments of the time they had were that maybe that slightly different Christians could be coexisted with. Hell, the entire goddamn Bill of Rights is the entire basis of Conservative ideology, and it's entire job was to limit government instead of expanding it, and even then it took literal fucking centuries to get classical liberal ideology legalized because the government created was so limited that we had to amend the Constitution several times to make up for the fact that the States had nigh unlimited legal prudence to do what they will with their own constitutions and laws. Progressive shit keeps getting struck down as the bullshit it is because there's literally nothing, nothing, to support a progressive lens on the subjects, even taking heavily into account the differences in time periods.

I fucking hate progs, they are legally, socially, and historically illiterate and will always, ALWAYS, read another retard's dumbass illiterate breakdown/"""critique""" of a document instead of the document itself. Sparknotes is infinitely less bullshit and more objectively concise than goddamn wikipedia or youtube or tiktok or whatever the fuck these illiterates and/or liars use.

Sorry for seething this is literally my area of passion and education and I hate people so fucking much. I'm going to get some prime award winning American cheese to calm down.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

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Ah yeas Schrödinger’s founding father, the founding fathers are simultaneously brave revolutionary lefties but also evil right wingers that allowed slavery. I think trying to ascribe such notions of the modern definition of left and right onto people who had no concept or idea of such things is stupid and misses out on important historical context

This is so fucking retarded. I am so tired of the intellectually incapable being feted for their retard ideas. If you read the anti-federalist papers, the critiques are that the Constitution is a conservative system designed by rich bankers, merchants, and landed interests for the sake of their own class. Some of the anti-federalists wanted to abolish private property entirely or engage in redistribution of property. And you’re telling me that the federalist founding fathers were leftist progressives? Their main enemies were arguing the opposite!

I fucking hate these people.

 

[indomitable snowman]

the artist, >sophie labelle, is the troon behind "assigned male" webcomics.

Arm yourself with knowledge

He's breached into the normie sphere as I've seen a coup of his anti-trump comics get shared on facebook.

 

[BullfrogBill]

Bernie was a fucking sham candidate, but he did one thing beautifully, and that was highlight exactly how fucked the Dems were.

If it took Bernie Sanders getting snubbed for people to realize that the Democrats were fucked up then that's extremely sad and there's no hope for this country. Maybe Barack Obama could've clued you in on that, or maybe the hundreds of years of Democrats being a fucking blight on this country. Literally everything bad about America throughout history was the fault of Democrats but it took Bernie Saunders for people to realize the Democrats were bad. Yeah sure.

You could also point to 2004 when Libertarian Presidential candidate Micheal Badnarik and Green Party Presidential Candidate Ralph Nadir wanted to attend the Presidential debate between Bush and Kerry, mind you they only wanted to attend, they had no expectations of actually participating in the debate yet they were fucking arrested for merely showing up because they could have been a threat to the establishment's preferred candidates Bush and Kerry. This was an era where the Libertarians were actually way better than both Democrats and Republicans combined and the establishment knew they would appeal much more to the average American than those other two war criminals, so they arrested their ass to ensure that no one would ever know that there was a third and fourth candidate. That was the moment I knew our party system was completely rigged and that the concept of "muh Democracy" is a fucking fake scam.

Micheal Badnarik was a pretty decent candidate too for the most part, he actually understood what his party stood for and he was one of those Libertarians that always honored George Washington AKA the good kind of Libertarian.

 

[namelesstacotruck]

If it took Bernie Sanders getting snubbed for people to realize that the Democrats were fucked up then that's extremely sad and there's no hope for this country. Maybe Barack Obama could've clued you in on that, or maybe the hundreds of years of Democrats being a fucking blight on this country. Literally everything bad about America throughout history was the fault of Democrats but it took Bernie Saunders for people to realize the Democrats were bad. Yeah sure.

You could also point to 2004 when Libertarian Presidential candidate Micheal Badnarik and Green Party Presidential Candidate Ralph Nadir wanted to attend the Presidential debate between Bush and Kerry, mind you they only wanted to attend, they had no expectations of actually participating in the debate yet they were fucking arrested for merely showing up because they could have been a threat to the establishment's preferred candidates Bush and Kerry. This was an era where the Libertarians were actually way better than both Democrats and Republicans combined and the establishment knew they would appeal much more to the average American than those other two war criminals, so they arrested their ass to ensure that no one would ever know that there was a third and fourth candidate. That was the moment I knew our party system was completely rigged and that the concept of "muh Democracy" is a fucking fake scam.

Micheal Badnarik was a pretty decent candidate too for the most part, he actually understood what his party stood for and he was one of those Libertarians that always honored George Washington AKA the good kind of Libertarian.

You are misunderstanding.

Populism was completely suppressed and came to the forefront post Obama after seeing how much Obama was business as usual and how he refused to do the things he was voted on and seeing Romney in 2012.

Populism being defined in this case as "deliver what your voters asked for instead of deliberately failing and doing what the donors and the DC consensus says to do". Bernie vs Trump was answering which party would be the populist vector. The answer was the Republicans. Only a populist would actually put people to kill Roe v Wade.

If you want medicaid for all (voting citizens) as an example. You are way more likely to get it from MAGA than the Schumer democrats.

 

[Collections Agent]

Literally reading the Declaration of Independence (and later documents) would prove the progressive views wrong.

Idk man I am pretty sure the founding fathers are famous for loving big government with lots of overreach and wanted to pay as many taxes as possible

Maybe educate yourself sweatie

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

f it took Bernie Sanders getting snubbed for people to realize that the Democrats were fucked up then that's extremely sad and there's no hope for this country.

The Democrats admitted to rigging the primary in 2016 and then didn't even have a primary in 2024. I don't know how Democrat voters claim to defend democracy when their own party eschews it.

 

[BullfrogBill]

Kingship? We elect a defacto king, the Federalist papers explicitly calling for a strong and kingly executive.

No we fucking dont and fuck no "electing a defacto king" was never the fucking intention of the founding fathers. George Washington was famously insulted at the notion that a US President would ever be compared to a King.

The memes and jokes about America needs to have Kings like we're the UK or the memes that Republicans need to be like Hitler like we're fucking Germany, I'm honestly sick of it. It's having a very horrible effect on the minds of people that dont know any better and internalize this shit. That's how we ended up in the situation where people genuinely think that the Confederacy and the KKK were Republicans, even though Republicans were explicitly against both and the Democrats explicitly supported both. Try convincing people who live off of Hitler memes of that though.

Now people genuinely argue that "ackshullay, the founders wanted our Presidents to be Kings." No they fucking didn't, that exact idea was floated to the founders and it was rejected. The founders believed there was only one King, and that was God.

 

[The Nothingness]

Yesterday in Chicago, on the perimeter of the NO KINGS rally, an activists speaking in front of a Progressive Labor Party sign exclaims, “You gotta grab a gun, we gotta turn around the guns on this fascist system. These ICE agents gotta get shot and wiped out. The same machinery that’s on full display right there has to get wiped out.”

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It's the Chicago way.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Jimmy Kimmel brought in a grown man dressed up provocatively as a woman to read a book to kids and mock Trump on his show

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These kids have been brought in so they can make jokes about how "Eric Trump isn't potty trained" and at the end, the man in women's clothing and a wig tosses the memoir into a woodchipper.

How many times have we heard the trannies and queens say people who don't agree with them should be put in a woodchipper?

This was meant to send a message to kids: agree with us or this is what we think should be done to you.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Now people genuinely argue that "ackshullay, the founders wanted our Presidents to be Kings." No they fucking didn't, that exact idea was floated to the founders and it was rejected. The founders believed there was only one King, and that was God.

George Washington famously chastised John Adams for using king-ish language and titles for President Washington.

 

[Amaru]

Same here. In my peer group there's a woman - progressive as can be, supports Mamdani, participates in the anti-Trump demos, religiously parrots the party line, etc. - who is absolutely vile to her husband when she thinks nobody's listening. They're called AWFLs for good reason.

I've been with mine for 11 years and never had that problem. "Progressivism" ruins women and tries to reverse roles, claiming that women are unhappy in traditional roles, but mine has never said she's unhappy and she cooks, does laundry, all that shit they said women hate doing. I met her in high school during her first year of actually going to school, before that she had been homeschooled and taught all this by her mom. I got lucky to meet one they never had the chance to mentally poison.

 

[Ranine Avatar]

It's absurdly rare for local (or even state) police to arrest federal law enforcement officers of any kind. Even when it's 100% justified (i.e. DUIs, etc.) they're always nervous as fuck about doing it, treat the arrestee with kid gloves, spend HOURS doing it by-the-book as much as possible, etc.

With good reason, too -- the feds are not friendly when it happens and they come in (law) guns blazing. It's certainly legal to arrest a person committing a crime no matter what badge he wears or what office he holds, that's nothing new, but rather apropos to the "No Kings" protests going on, as the saying goes -- if you take a shot at the king, you'd best not miss. If you're going to arrest a fed for committing a crime, you'd better be able to fucking prove it to God himself beyond reasonable doubt. Because even He can't help you if you don't have an utterly bulletproof case.

It should be pointed out why they would be nervous. Wrongfully arresting a federal law enforcement official in the course of their duties could expose them to federal criminal liability, from obstruction (misdemeanor on the low end) to kidnapping a federal official (life in prison). It doesn't even matter if they were ultimately exonerated. They could be held awaiting trial for years.

You're not going to find a whole police department worth of people who want to tour the federal prison system that badly.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

You're not going to find a whole police department worth of people who want to tour the federal prison system that badly.

yes
because local cops have a rich understanding of - and respect for - the delicate interplay of the states and federal government, and not "bossman says go arrest those guys"

 

[Ranine Avatar]

I know these lunatics love claiming Lincoln loved himself some brown suga', but are they now also trying to claim he'd totally be a tranny chaser if given the chance too?

Wonder if they know he was pro-gun rights and didn't particularly object to the "3/5ths of a person" valuation of niggers.

Ah, yes, Abraham "Send them all back to Africa" Lincoln would surely agree with Americans hosting a massive population of hostile aliens and paying for their welfare.

yes
because local cops have a rich understanding of - and respect for - the delicate interplay of the states and federal government, and not "bossman says go arrest those guys"

Presumably the first thing that happens when you threaten to arrest a federal agent is that he explains how long your prison sentence will be, and the second thing that happens is everyone in your chain of command gets urgent phone calls from the DOJ explaining how long their prison sentences will be.

 

[Nice Stick]

yes
because local cops have a rich understanding of - and respect for - the delicate interplay of the states and federal government, and not "bossman says go arrest those guys"

They have a respect for power -- and the fed have more.

 

[Mister Fister]

Hospitals have no medicine. Gang violence -- niggers playing pretend warlord because the head niggers are playing pretend warlord too -- erupts, leading to mass casualty events. Trash + no hygiene + a collapse of the medical system.

Week 1. No power. No shipments in or out of the city. Water slows to a trickle. They might send out gangs to try and rob the suburbs, but the fedboys are there pretty quickly and the good ol' boys nearby now have de-facto permission to kill some shitty cityboys that have been smugly making their lives worse for generations. Even if they manage to loot dry the local suburbs, that just buys them a week, maybe two -- but it's far more likely they're stopped. Everyone who can flee, flees. Anyone left are either stupid, true believers, or prevented from leaving.

Week 2. Still no power. No food or almost no food. Water is poison. Diseases start breaking out. Trash is fucking everywhere.

By this time the dindus are rioting EVERYWHERE, setting fire to EVERYTHING, and thanks to no power, there's no water to put the fires out.

The only path out of this for Chicago is to somehow seize farmland around themselves, arrange press-gang farming or kidnap or entice local farmers, and somehow defend these militarily for upwards of a year. All while everyone is starving to death and every nigger chimp that can get something heavy or sharp or with some dakka is going "ooga booga gibs me dat."

It's also important to remember that 5.56 can easily hit 400-500 yards, beyond visual range, and this is the most common rifle caliber.

 

[Airless]

It's absurdly rare for local (or even state) police to arrest federal law enforcement officers of any kind. Even when it's 100% justified (i.e. DUIs, etc.) they're always nervous as fuck about doing it, treat the arrestee with kid gloves, spend HOURS doing it by-the-book as much as possible, etc.

With good reason, too -- the feds are not friendly when it happens and they come in (law) guns blazing. It's certainly legal to arrest a person committing a crime no matter what badge he wears or what office he holds, that's nothing new, but rather apropos to the "No Kings" protests going on, as the saying goes -- if you take a shot at the king, you'd best not miss. If you're going to arrest a fed for committing a crime, you'd better be able to fucking prove it to God himself beyond reasonable doubt. Because even He can't help you if you don't have an utterly bulletproof case.

An absolutely kino example of this in action. Unfortunately, despite violating SOP and despite a previous arrest for jewing a bottle of wine this guy won a lawsuit against the Ohio PD that arrested him

 

[Samuel Fuller]

Better the devil you know. No, seriously.

The thing is, you have to take the entire situation into account, such as all the unseen times where he was a "good person" to her (i.e. all the times where he gave emotional validation to someone who clearly lacked it--they don't call them "the ties that bind" for nothing). Then there's the fact that they've obviously built some kind of a life together to the point that they have their own house and child (nevermind if the house itself bears the marks of his abusing her), which in the mind of someone desperately craving any kind of permanence in their life is just another weight keeping them bound to their abusive situation.

You can't - can't - appeal to a person's "rational" nature in this kind of scenario--because in their mind, the "rational" solution is to stay where they feel the most safe, even if they know it isn't.

You did the best that you knew how to do--but here's how to do it right (more right, anyway--there isn't a one-size fits all scenario for these things):

Instead of rolling up with the posse and announcing that you were there to rip her away from her place of safety (the self-deception runs deep and wide, y'see), start by sending one person who she knows at least a little...and chat. Ask how she and her kid are doing, ask if she's gotten up to anything lately (you both know she hasn't and can't, but it puts it in the front of her mind), and basically just put into her mind that there's someone she can actually share a bit of her life with outside of her husband's control--and more importantly, that her self-image doesn't need to be entirely tied to his.

As someone who was suddenly thrown out last week on the eve of my 25th anniversary in an emotionally abusive marriage, all I can say is this is good advice. I wish I’d had someone do that for me, but after that long I was so socially isolated there was nobody to reach out to me.