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[BulkForceFive]

But others have the instinct to downplay these problems; Smith’s fellow center-left commentator Matt Yglesias, for example, insisted in a reply that public transit is safe, and that its declining use is mostly driven by quality and quantity of service.

I could swear that Fatty Yce here got his shit pushed in by some thugs, possibly on transit, but his Wikipedia page doesn't have that info.

 

[The Great One]

Anyone who uses that FUCKING Breezewood picture for "muh cars" propaganda should be immediately discredited and repeatedly dunked in hobo diarrhea.

Isn't that pic ancient anyway? I swear I saw it for the first time more than a decade ago, if not earlier

As someone who has been through breezewood, probably a couple times when I was young. I don't care what these fags say, to me it looked cool. Granted the last time I went through breezewood was to see a dying relative somewhere near the Altoona VA hospital 5-6 years ago. Stopped at a Carl's Jr's for the first time and then left. But either way, these "people" in massive quotations, make breezewood look and sound like a fucking nightmare mixed with a wartorned set of land. When in reality, its more or less a place for truck drivers to stop to get fuel, rest for the night if they have to, get some food, or stock up on supplies for their trucks, hence the motels, gas stations, restaurants, sometimes amalgamations of the three, weigh stations, souvenir shops. To me its like the northeastern truckers equivalent to the las Vegas strip, except instead of neon lights and stuff enticing you to gamble, its multiple gas stations, and whatnot. I remember when I was really little I ate at the Dennys they had (it was one of the retro themed diners) and I thought it was cool, shame they shut it down

 

[TowinKarz]

California Forever, the billionaire-funded and Twitter urbanist-designed planned 15-minute city next to Travis Air Force Base in California, just released a major update:

Geeks that have played too much Sim City are dangerous things to turn loose in public.

 

[quaawaa]

Indians have discovered urbanism and despite their cities being extremely dense, mixed-use, and heavily transit-dependent, they're not easy to get around:

Spoiler: Description

Walking is the most basic form of mobility but walkable infrastructure is non-existent in Indian cities. Unsafe and poor state of footpaths are pushing people to switch to motorised vehicles. While pedestrians still are the biggest share of commuters, our cities give disproportionate importance to vehicles. So, why do Indian cities ignore pedestrians?
In this documentary, we go around different cities, speak to experts, look at data, and try to unpack the issue that invariably affects every urban Indian.
#pedestrian #walkability #infrastructure #urbanplanning

Quick Guide:
0:00 - 0:19 Unwalkable footpaths across Indian cities
0:19 - 0:46 Dangerous walking conditions in urban India
0:46 - 0:55 Pedestrian deaths in India
0:55 - 1:51 Vehicle-oriented urban planning
1:51 - 3:20 Various pedestrian problems in Indian cities
3:20 - 3:57 Shrinking footpaths in Mumbai
3:57 - 5:10 Inaccessible footpaths in Bengaluru
5:10 - 5:37 Unsafe footpaths for women in Kolkata
5:37 - 5:54 Consequences of bad walkability in Indian cities
5:54 - 6:31 Streets for people
6:31 - 7:36 Rise of gated societies in Indian cities
7:36 - 7:45 Walking and bicycle infrastructure in Europe
7:45 - 8:32 'Stop de Kindermoord' movement in Amsterdam (Netherlands)
8:32 - 9:38 Human cost of unsafe roads in India
9:38 - 11:18 Crossing roads in Indian cities
11:18 - 11:36 Pedestrians over private motor vehicles
11:36 - 12:29 Equitable distribution of road space
12:29 - 14:59 How to make Indian cities walkable
14:59 - 15:37 Cost of building walkable footpaths in Indian cities
15:37 - 16:30 Support our journalism

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Links to the data cited in this video:
Pedestrian fatalities and road accident deaths: https://morth.nic.in/road-accident-in-india
Expenditure on urban development: https://www.indiabudget.gov.in/budget2024-25/doc/Budget_at_Glance/bag6.pdf
Share of travel mode for work in India: https://www.thehinducentre.com/the-...-daily-agony-for-millions/article65551959.ece
Streets for people: https://itdp.in/resource/streets-for-people-pathways-of-change-from-indias-smart-cities/
Car ownership rate in different countries: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
Top-10 walkable cities: https://indianexpress.com/article/t...t-walkable-cities-in-the-world-2025-10217964/
Trip lengths in urban work trips: https://tripc.iitd.ac.in/assets/publication/TravelToWorkInIndia.pdf
Road fatalities in Netherlands: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sons-from-the-dutch-traffic-safety-revolution
Road fatalities in Europe: https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-period-1970-2012-Source-IRTAD_fig1_279233114
Indian Roads Congress Guidelines: https://www.nitiforstates.gov.in/public-assets/Policy/policy_files/GNANAO000329.pdf
Impact of walkable footpaths in Chennai: https://itdp.org/publication/steps-to-sustainability-the-impacts-of-new-footpaths-in-chennai/

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The Indian is right that their terrible infrastructure makes it difficult to get around, but it goes to show that a city that has all the characteristics that urbanists say good cities have is not necessarily a nice place to live.

At 10:30, the urban planner he interviews repeats the western urbanist lies about induced demand and pedestrian infrastructure being car infrastructure. India has essentially zero infrastructure, if they believe these myths, they'll never build anything.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

As someone who has been through breezewood, probably a couple times when I was young. I don't care what these fags say, to me it looked cool. Granted the last time I went through breezewood was to see a dying relative somewhere near the Altoona VA hospital 5-6 years ago. Stopped at a Carl's Jr's for the first time and then left. But either way, these "people" in massive quotations, make breezewood look and sound like a fucking nightmare mixed with a wartorned set of land. When in reality, its more or less a place for truck drivers to stop to get fuel, rest for the night if they have to, get some food, or stock up on supplies for their trucks, hence the motels, gas stations, restaurants, sometimes amalgamations of the three, weigh stations, souvenir shops. To me its like the northeastern truckers equivalent to the las Vegas strip, except instead of neon lights and stuff enticing you to gamble, its multiple gas stations, and whatnot. I remember when I was really little I ate at the Dennys they had (it was one of the retro themed diners) and I thought it was cool, shame they shut it down

I like the picture, I'm just pointing out how often it gets used and mis-used.

At 10:30, the urban planner he interviews repeats the western urbanist lies about induced demand and pedestrian infrastructure being car infrastructure. India has essentially zero infrastructure, if they believe these myths, they'll never build anything.

Any "walkable city" is built on wealth, and not just requiring money to build infrastructure, it's to build the right "mix" of tenants and residential that makes it a draw.

 

[Kyria the Great]

So Urbanists want the density of Indian cities but the infrastructure of western European cities

 

[The Great One]

I like the picture, I'm just pointing out how often it gets used and mis-used.

I completely understand, I just find it retarded that whenever people talk about wanting anti-car places, 99% of the time they always show images of breezewood as an example of "how bad it is to have vehicle dependent cities & towns" i feel like if they had their way they would want people to either bike, walk, or ride horses like the pre-automotive days. That and for the cities to look and act exactly how @Kyria the Great mentioned

 

[Irene and 22 others]

So Urbanists want the density of Indian cities but the infrastructure of western European cities

And people in hell want ice water.

 

[Gurney Halleck]

So Urbanists want the density of Indian cities but the infrastructure of western European cities

As a compromise, I propose that all urbanists be shipped off to Bangladesh where they can plot out how to make Dhaka into a walkable 15 minute city to their hearts' content.

 

[ChompChomp]

Indians have discovered urbanism and despite their cities being extremely dense, mixed-use, and heavily transit-dependent, they're not easy to get around:

Hello, I don't live in India, yet experience this in most non-rural, Southern US cities or rural Northern US cities.

Good luck trying to get people to park and not block a sidewalk. Or, get a city to maintain a walkway after they decided to fuck it up with greenery that they didn't think would ever grow. Or, have landscaping runoff go someplace besides over a sidewalk, which then gets into the cracks and starts fucking with how level a sidewalk is or how many cracks it'll have, none of which a city will care about unless it causes an accident or, gasp, becomes a blight!

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Hello, I don't live in India, yet experience this in most non-rural, Southern US cities or rural Northern US cities.

Good luck trying to get people to park and not block a sidewalk. Or, get a city to maintain a walkway after they decided to fuck it up with greenery that they didn't think would ever grow. Or, have landscaping runoff go someplace besides over a sidewalk, which then gets into the cracks and starts fucking with how level a sidewalk is or how many cracks it'll have, none of which a city will care about unless it causes an accident or, gasp, becomes a blight!

This would indicate that despite their claims to the contrary, a "walkable city" isn't a "natural" development. (One of these fags claimed it was when a shopping center in...Ohio, I think...was redeveloped as some sort of "town square" ignoring the fact it was a developer-led, TIF-backed project), because whether it's some faceless Indian city, an African village, a favela in South America, or just some blue-collar area in the United States, there's no emphasis on "walkability" whether people use cars or not.

Most of their examples (real or fake)—touristy European old towns, trendy "mixed-use" districts, gentrified downtown areas...are all built on a level of wealth that is just not really attainable anywhere else. Even token efforts like wider sidewalks and cohesive planning, still require money...and not just investing in infrastructure, sustained wealth, something that commies and teenagers don't really think through.

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

Indians have discovered urbanism and despite their cities being extremely dense, mixed-use, and heavily transit-dependent, they're not easy to get around:
Your browser is not able to display this video.

Spoiler: Description

Walking is the most basic form of mobility but walkable infrastructure is non-existent in Indian cities. Unsafe and poor state of footpaths are pushing people to switch to motorised vehicles. While pedestrians still are the biggest share of commuters, our cities give disproportionate importance to vehicles. So, why do Indian cities ignore pedestrians?
In this documentary, we go around different cities, speak to experts, look at data, and try to unpack the issue that invariably affects every urban Indian.
#pedestrian #walkability #infrastructure #urbanplanning

Quick Guide:
0:00 - 0:19 Unwalkable footpaths across Indian cities
0:19 - 0:46 Dangerous walking conditions in urban India
0:46 - 0:55 Pedestrian deaths in India
0:55 - 1:51 Vehicle-oriented urban planning
1:51 - 3:20 Various pedestrian problems in Indian cities
3:20 - 3:57 Shrinking footpaths in Mumbai
3:57 - 5:10 Inaccessible footpaths in Bengaluru
5:10 - 5:37 Unsafe footpaths for women in Kolkata
5:37 - 5:54 Consequences of bad walkability in Indian cities
5:54 - 6:31 Streets for people
6:31 - 7:36 Rise of gated societies in Indian cities
7:36 - 7:45 Walking and bicycle infrastructure in Europe
7:45 - 8:32 'Stop de Kindermoord' movement in Amsterdam (Netherlands)
8:32 - 9:38 Human cost of unsafe roads in India
9:38 - 11:18 Crossing roads in Indian cities
11:18 - 11:36 Pedestrians over private motor vehicles
11:36 - 12:29 Equitable distribution of road space
12:29 - 14:59 How to make Indian cities walkable
14:59 - 15:37 Cost of building walkable footpaths in Indian cities
15:37 - 16:30 Support our journalism

This documentary took us months to put together. It involved rigorous research and significant production resources. Such projects are not possible without the support of our subscribers. If you value our journalism, please don't shy away from supporting it. You can do so by becoming The Quint's member and make your support count: https://rzp.io/rzp/u7H0VVpu

Links to the data cited in this video:
Pedestrian fatalities and road accident deaths: https://morth.nic.in/road-accident-in-india
Expenditure on urban development: https://www.indiabudget.gov.in/budget2024-25/doc/Budget_at_Glance/bag6.pdf
Share of travel mode for work in India: https://www.thehinducentre.com/the-...-daily-agony-for-millions/article65551959.ece
Streets for people: https://itdp.in/resource/streets-for-people-pathways-of-change-from-indias-smart-cities/
Car ownership rate in different countries: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
Top-10 walkable cities: https://indianexpress.com/article/t...t-walkable-cities-in-the-world-2025-10217964/
Trip lengths in urban work trips: https://tripc.iitd.ac.in/assets/publication/TravelToWorkInIndia.pdf
Road fatalities in Netherlands: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sons-from-the-dutch-traffic-safety-revolution
Road fatalities in Europe: https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-period-1970-2012-Source-IRTAD_fig1_279233114
Indian Roads Congress Guidelines: https://www.nitiforstates.gov.in/public-assets/Policy/policy_files/GNANAO000329.pdf
Impact of walkable footpaths in Chennai: https://itdp.org/publication/steps-to-sustainability-the-impacts-of-new-footpaths-in-chennai/

YouTube (PreserveTube)

@FPTMIU is going to have a stroke once he hears that jeet urbanist praise the Dutch lol

 

[Yamamura]

So Urbanists want the density of Indian cities but the infrastructure of western European cities

As usual they're only the ones asking for what they want, but when it comes to actually doing shit they want someone else to figure it out. It's weird because I feel like they're also the sort of people who are telling others to not have kids because it's bad for the environment or whatever. Yet they're idealizing this dystopic place where the infrastructure is constantly broken and has billions of people living on top of each other.

 

[FPTMIU]

@FPTMIU is going to have a stroke once he hears that jeet urbanist praise the Dutch lol

not even going to watch it in that case. I would like to watch it to laugh at the poos, but I'd probably just get really annoyed.

 

[Kyria the Great]

As usual they're only the ones asking for what they want, but to actually do shit they want someone else to figure it out. It's weird because I feel like they're also the sort of people who are telling other to not have kids because it's bad for the environment or whatever. Yet they're idealizing this dystopic place where the infrastructure is constantly broken and has billions of people living on top of each other.

India is awful because there's no infrastructure and public transit will always be clogged, cramped, and unsafe because of it. Anything that can take people off that will be a good thing but the Urbanists won't like it because it involves car infrastructure

 

[jje100010001]

The main issue with India is that it is completely overcrowded and would be significantly easier to live in with 1/2-1/3 of its population, which is why India’s official geopolitical strategy is to offload as much of its semi-educated-but-underemployed population onto the rest of the world to avoid unrest at home, and also gain remittances and political influence through this diaspora.

Even old-timers in former Calcutta and Bombay remember the cities more fondly into the 50s and 60s before rural migration kicked in high gear and the old British-influenced urbanite cultures were swamped and erased by a coarser rural populism (same with most third-world countries and their metropoles).

 

[Baraka Obama]

The main issue with India is that it is completely overcrowded and would be significantly easier to live in with 1/2-1/3 of its population, which is why India’s official geopolitical strategy is to offload as much of its semi-educated-but-underemployed population onto the rest of the world to avoid unrest at home, and also gain remittances and political influence through this diaspora.

Even old-timers in former Calcutta and Bombay remember the cities more fondly into the 50s and 60s before rural migration kicked in high gear and the old British-influenced urbanite cultures were swamped and erased by a coarser rural populism (same with most third-world countries and their metropoles).

Until fairly recently population density in Japan and India were similar, they have diverged of course as growth in Japan slowed. I'd expect a lot of the issues are related to chaotic rapid growth, they could follow some of the same economic growth drivers that east asian countries did in investing in public infrastructure to handle the large population, though they would need to root out corruption first.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

The main issue with India is that it is completely overcrowded and would be significantly easier to live in with 1/2-1/3 of its population, which is why India’s official geopolitical strategy is to offload as much of its semi-educated-but-underemployed population onto the rest of the world to avoid unrest at home, and also gain remittances and political influence through this diaspora.

Even old-timers in former Calcutta and Bombay remember the cities more fondly into the 50s and 60s before rural migration kicked in high gear and the old British-influenced urbanite cultures were swamped and erased by a coarser rural populism (same with most third-world countries and their metropoles).

Brown hands typed this post.

Urbanized Jeets before the 50s-60s are still disgusting Jeets. I don't buy for a second it's rural migration.

 

[Kyria the Great]

Until fairly recently population density in Japan and India were similar, they have diverged of course as growth in Japan slowed. I'd expect a lot of the issues are related to chaotic rapid growth, they could follow some of the same economic growth drivers that east asian countries did in investing in public infrastructure to handle the large population, though they would need to root out corruption first.

I think due to the caste system still being socially there and Hindu faith it's impossible though Dalits are where most of the disgusting Jeet behavior is coming from while Brahmins where the skummy Jeet behavior in corporations is coming from. Though I have more faith in India getting better than Pakistan.

 

[The Noise]

I live in $STUPID_LIBERAL_CITY and commute to my college classes every day on my ebike. I will concede to the fuckcars people that, for my very narrow use case, it's excellent and saves on gas and time (fuck paying for a parking pass and fuck trying to find parking during classtime.) My city's mixed-use paths also cut through some very beautiful parks.

The issue with cycling infrastructure more than anything is that cyclists and pedestrians are complete retards. Just a very small subset of the stuff I've seen over the last five years:

• Cyclists have no concept of 'defensive driving' like drivers do; they pay zero attention to the area in front of them and will only start trying to correct the attosecond they're about to hit something/someone.
• Ebike users do not pay attention to posted speed limits. I regularly see them zipping through 10mph zones at 25mph.
• Cyclists pay no attention to dismount zones, especially on campus. Skateboarders especially think they're magically immune to dismount zones and will uncontrollably careen into huge crowds of people trying to walk to class. Like cyclists, they also have no concept of what is right in front of them.
• By law you are required to yield to pedestrians in the crosswalk. You can be stopped and waiting for people to cross and some dipshit will cut around you, realize you were stopped for a crowd, then attempt to last-attosecond-course-correct and crash.
• There's an intersection near campus specifically for bikes. When walking back from class I once saw a guy on a regular dirtbike blitz through a dismount zone, uncontrollably accelerate towards a median near the intersection, then crash, fall off, and sprain his leg.
• Cyclists will go down bike lanes the wrong way all the damn time.
• Cyclists will never signal when they pass you, ever.
• Almost all cyclists do not have any kind of headlight for biking at night time. They don't even use their phone flashlight or something. Nope, they'll just let you almost run into them while you're biking home late at night.

There are laws on the books forbidding most of this shit, but there are no police actually around to enforce anything so nobody gives a shit. These people live in a fantasy world where they can ride at high speed everywhere, always have right of way, and never stop. I would melt down every bike on earth into pig iron if it meant I never had to deal with them again.