There is no such thing as "socially damaging works of fiction"

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SSj_Ness (Yiffed) said:
Anyway, do you not concede that socially damaging works of fiction exist, like my example?
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Here's the problem I have.

A lot of Kiwis are the type of people who can't just hate a show, game, genre of music, type of pizza topping, etc.... they need to crusade against it, and to do so, they need to prop it up as the root of societal decay.

And crusaders are the kind of people where if you give an inch, they take a mile.

So if I do concede your example, I guarantee you the next thing I'm gonna hear (not from you, but from somebody) is "now that you're convinced media can be dangerous, how do you like my plan to go back in time and kill Tolkien as a baby so that Elf Otherkin stop existing?"

That's exactly how the motte-and-bailey works.
 
skykiii said:
"now that you're convinced media can be dangerous, how do you like my plan to go back in time and kill Tolkien as a baby so that Elf Otherkin stop existing?"
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no need to ban shit
after you accept the premise that media can influence the viewer you can go forward and learn the tricks that are employed to accomplish it
after you learned about the tricks they lose their power over you, but you will never again be able to enjoy capeshit
then you can teach others about the tricks

small kids should have the media they see vetted by the parents, especially in media targeted at small children the problem is not only a harmfull subtext, but also infantile speech & behaviour that slow down mental development when consumed, im too lazy to search up the studies done on this, after you took the redpill you no longer need studies, but im sure you can find some

of course you wont accept my argument on this because its unscientific and not backed up by guys in white robes paid with taxes but it is obvious that children in a natural enviroment learn social interactions from their parents and older peers - and those use normal language to talk to each other, not babyspeak except when they use niggerbabble

then there is the generation ipadkid that is so developmentally stunted its crazy, youtube kids etc. is some of the worst shit ever to fry a childs brain


also wtf is with your tolkien strawman anyways? tolkien is one of the best authors ever and all based & redpilled chuds love him
you wont find any harmful influence in tolkiens works, it is in fact incredibly intelligent societal critique hidden in a beautiful package of vivid imagery and european myth
btw if you had understood the nature of power of the one ring, you wouldnt have made this thread
 
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Smoltine Kiminal said:
no need to ban shit
after you accept the premise that media can influence the viewer you can go forward and learn the tricks that are employed to accomplish it
after you learned about the tricks they lose their power over you, but you will never again be able to enjoy capeshit
then you can teach others about the tricks

small kids should have the media they see vetted by the parents, especially in media targeted at small children the problem is not only a harmfull subtext, but also infantile speech & behaviour that slow down mental development when consumed, im too lazy to search up the studies done on this, after you took the redpill you no longer need studies, but im sure you can find some

of course you wont accept my argument on this because its unscientific and not backed up by guys in white robes paid with taxes but it is obvious that children in a natural enviroment learn social interactions from their parents and older peers - and those use normal language to talk to each other, not babyspeak except when they use niggerbabble

then there is the generation ipadkid that is so developmentally stunted its crazy, youtube kids etc. is some of the worst shit ever to fry a childs brain


also wtf is with your tolkien strawman anyways? tolkien is one of the best authors ever and all based & redpilled chuds love him
you wont find any harmful influence in tolkiens works, it is in fact incredibly intelligent societal critique hidden in a beautiful package of vivid imagery and european myth
btw if you had understood the nature of power of the one ring, you wouldnt have made this thread
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Trying to get boomers or younger to actually parent their kids is like trying to teach an Indian to use a toilet.

We would need shock collars.
 
Being removed from reality for more than 2 hrs a day is bad for you. People who watch anime get addicted and spend all day watching shit. They don't moderate themselves and it's why they end up trooning out. Same with video games, people get addicted. Niggas who spend all day doing nothing but be a gamer or a weeb are insufferable pieces of shit.

People who only play vidya or watch shows an hr tops tend to be well adjusted

I think it's more the case that peopled over indulge that makes it terrible for you, but its also designed where ur meant to waste hours of your day doing it.
 
Moving pictures induces some type of a pseudo memory in people. Many will claim that they can separate real life events and what they saw on a screen, but when examining it a little closer. Most people don't!

Historical events - Peoples mental images of some past event are from movies and "documentaries" (fake reenactments). In many cases, they will bring up a piece of fiction and talk about it as it happened in real life.

Advertising/propaganda - Kids imitate everything since they don't know how to prioritize information. This doesn't completely go away as we become adults, instead we try to imitate success. A fake image of a "successful person" can induce very wrong/destructive behavior in people, see for example how people think buying something odd will help them get rich, famous or healthy by imitating celebrities/influencers. If advertising/propaganda didn't work, then why is it such a top priority for every single organization that exists and has such a large market? It's because it works so well to socially engineer behaviors.

Fiction can absolutely be damaging for people and you are probably not as immune to it as you think.
 
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skykiii said:
Here's the problem I have.

A lot of Kiwis are the type of people who can't just hate a show, game, genre of music, type of pizza topping, etc.... they need to crusade against it, and to do so, they need to prop it up as the root of societal decay.

And crusaders are the kind of people where if you give an inch, they take a mile.

So if I do concede your example, I guarantee you the next thing I'm gonna hear (not from you, but from somebody) is "now that you're convinced media can be dangerous, how do you like my plan to go back in time and kill Tolkien as a baby so that Elf Otherkin stop existing?"

That's exactly how the motte-and-bailey works.
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So is this whole thread just you getting off on fighting strawmen while declaring that propaganda is fake and gay and that people are not influenced by the media they consume?

I know, I know, pink triangle = retard and should be ignored, but I am actually curious what your intent here is.
 
SilkGnut said:
So is this whole thread just you getting off on fighting strawmen while declaring that propaganda is fake and gay
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Nice, getting onto me about "strawman" while making one yourself.

This topic was never about actual propaganda nor an attempt to claim it doesn't exist. I've made this clear multiple times, despite the fact that people (who are either retarded or dishonest, or both) want to ignore that.

It's literally right in the OP:

And the kind of statements I'm denying here are the kind that go like:

"Playing Doom makes people shoot up schools!"
"Watching anime will make you troon out!"
"Watching Disney cartoons will turn you into a furry!"
"Playing video games will make you hate women!"
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The reason people keep wanting to bring up propaganda is the same bullshit I outlined in the post you're quoting--because its an easy win, and people think that if they prove me wrong about a point I'm not even arguing, then I must also be wrong about Doom not making people shoot up schools.

I've been around people like this long enough to know how the game is played. You're not gonna bullshit me.
 
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PermaLurker69 said:
People who watch anime get addicted and spend all day watching shit.
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Weird, I watch anime and usually I'm bored after thirty minutes and move on to something else. Then I don't watch anime for a month because it all feels samey.

Tablet County said:
Just stop caring, OP.
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In all honesty, this is part of the issue: I think most Kiwis care way more than I do.

Like, in all honesty... I don't watch movies, and while I was an anime fan once, those days are long past. Video games I have to be in the right mood and then I tend to prefer older ones from when gaming was still good.

Even in my heyday though, the weird addiction rabbit hole that leads to trooning that people like PermaLurker describe... I've literally never seen it play out, and I'm wondering where he saw it.

After all, anime has existed since the 1950s and yet troons are a modern phenomenon. (Though if you want to argue modern anime causes troons, you might be onto something)
 
Idk, if anyone admits to enjoying that trannies book called manhunt, I'd say it's safe to shoot them.
(Literal book abour raping a little girl)
 
Flaming_Barghast said:
Idk, if anyone admits to enjoying that trannies book called manhunt, I'd say it's safe to shoot them.
(Literal book abour raping a little girl)
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Who is the author? Is it someone known?

When I searched the title the first thing that came up was some TV series and the Rockstar video game.

Smoltine Kiminal said:
also wtf is with your tolkien strawman anyways? tolkien is one of the best authors ever and all based & redpilled chuds love him
you wont find any harmful influence in tolkiens works, it is in fact incredibly intelligent societal critique hidden in a beautiful package of vivid imagery and european myth
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A little too late to respond to this, and the reason I didn't earlier is because I didn't even see this post.... but...

Problem is, Kiwis don't care.

Osamu Tezuka's work is beautiful, deep, full of meaning... but for most Kiwis they'll just see a Japanese name and instantly draw assumptions.

Likewise, I'm sure with Tolkien, most Kiwis will just think of some idiot they knew in college who wanted to fuck elves, and let that define everything.

I'm sure a lot of people here draw absolutely no distinction between Tolkien and something like RWBY, the same way they draw no distinction between Osamu Tezuka and High School Harem Anime #8673986679487
 
skykiii said:
Likewise, I'm sure with Tolkien, most Kiwis will just think of some idiot they knew in college who wanted to fuck elves, and let that define everything.
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That's just patently untrue and I don't know where you got that from. Tolkien's a sacred cow because he's a based Christian and LoTR is a certified classic that is part of the Western Canon. Him being a phenomenal writer, highly educated linguist, and passionate about mythology would probably not be as respected by culture weirdos if it weren't for his devotion to Christ and his romantic and naturalistic outlook. Sure there are nutso people who probably don't like him because he's Catholic or there are mentions of wizardry in his books, but those are edge cases and considered retards even here on green reddit.
Kiwis would be more likely to slag off more modern fantasy authors like Moorcock or JRR Martin because their work is not part of the Western Canon, they're popular among certain undesirable demographics, aren't Christian, and both of them had the audacity to express negative opinions about Lord of the Rings. Granted, Moorcock is a total asshole and Martin is a dumbass neckbeard who isn't even close to being on Tolkien's level, but knowing the userbase like I've come to they'd probably be cut way more slack if they went to church every Sunday.
 
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Caillou taught a whole generation of younger millennial kids to be whiny pricks to get what they want.
 
Tablet County said:
That's just patently untrue and I don't know where you got that from.
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Because that's how Kiwis are with damn near everything. You're right that him being part of "the western canon" is probably something that gets him special privileges.

Problem is there's plenty that deserve that honor. Three Kingdoms is one of the most intelligent novels ever written, but I'm sure most Kiwis would dismiss it as "chink shit." And having Christian values sure does not change the mind of the "destroy all anime" crowd who probably neither know nor care that they'd be taking Superbook, The Flying House, and Osamu Tezuka's The Old Testament down along with all the harem shows.

Frankly, if Tolkien weren't such a well-known author, most Kiwis would see him as no different from Moorcock.
 
corvo's boyfriend said:
and so does who propose, funding and animation it. don't forget them
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That’s the thing I’m surprised to see never became the point here.

It’s not the work of fiction, it’s the media that jams it down your throat and gaslights you with it. For recent years you can swap out “media” with “algorithms” in certain cases, but regardless. Works of fiction can’t speak to people en masse without either a usual level of insight and talent (rare) or a usual amount of hype and astroturfing (common.)

Rap is a great example. When it stormed the market in the 90s the biggest bands in pop and metal were in between albums and the luminary A&R guys (scouts, basically) of the 70s were starting to retire. The only danceable music that wasn’t whining at you about killing itself was rap. And the music media was awash in “news items” that made sure everyone knew that their pet thug was the thuggiest thug who ever thugged, not like the bitch ass thugs from the other labels… in short order there were literal street pimps and murderers on stage with acts like KISS on the MTV music awards, glamorizing the lifestyle of criminals as rightly equivalent to rock stars. Meanwhile you have guys like Lenny Kravitz, to this day, hollering about how BET won’t give him the time of day because if it ain’t rap it ain’t what they want to sell. Fishy AF, and completely tangential to the innate merits of rhythmic speaking over sampled clips of dance music,

Everyone who’s saying that shut-in properties like Sonic and Stephen Universe are appealing disproportionately to damaged goods is correct. In the case of the latter, the sick thing is that the network showcased and promoted this in lieu of filler tier chikdren’s programming, allowing it to find an unnaturally large audience. It’s no coincidence that something this bad would never have been produced until the networks went as crazy with the woke shit as they have. Blaming fiction misses the point. Point is that the system is broken and propagandizing any helpful thing it can get its hands on.
 
Humans are evil hairless monkeys that emulate everything they see. Advertisers have known this for a long time. Adam Curtis made documentaries that explore how propaganda was developed and turned into a tool to sell products and policies to the masses. While I would argue that most behavioral changes in humanity came from environmental changes, notably, a rise in better living conditions leading to the acceptance of Progressive notions about sex, motherhood and the treatment of minorities, propaganda did provide lubrication for those ideas to slide into the brain. Propaganda (which, let's be real, is what most entertainment is designed to be these days,) is a tool to shape the weak minded and young. And if you don't think it works, then you haven't watched a crime or hospital drama with some white wine mom who constantly bitches at the evil white male villains they see on their screen. TV shows are designed to program people - that may not be why they're called programs, but that's essentially what they do.
 
Fat neckbeards online will say, "ITS JUST A CARTOON! I AM NOT A PEDOPHILE FOR JERKING IT TO LITTLE ANIME GIRLS!". But they would (rightfully so) call a man gay for jerking it to anime men. So what makes anime little girls any different? If you find a 9-year-old anime girl hot, you are a pedophile 100%. Damaging media definitely exists. Damaging media is what propaganda is, as the person above me explained. I hate when pedo-enablers like Vaush say that giving pedos softcore CP like lolicon "will help them have a healthy outlet for their urges", because that's not how any of that works. It just strengthens the connection in their brain, and they can also use it as a tool to groom minors. Orgasms are the most powerful positive reinforcement.
 
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