AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

[General Zoider]

The difference between the VR bubble and the AI bubble is that AI is actually useful for things (and yes, this is true. The fruits of machine learning are already all over your life, even if you might not know). Adaption of a new technology always causes a huge boom that's not sustainable and leads to a lot of failure until the front runners crystalize. For a recent example, look at the home computer revolution. Most of the companies from the 80s and 90s don't exist anymore or got swallowed by the handful of companies that still exist. Doesn't mean that PCs as a technology failed.

not only that, unlike VR you can actually run AI models on older/embedded/toy systems.

half life alyx

this used to be the big reason for me to attempt to get VR but then they made the novr mod and I just used that. Also, that's another big issue with vr vs AI. with AI if you have a decent enough graphics card you can spin up your own porn generator on the same machine you use to play cyberpunk 2077 while with vr you need actual physical space IRL. You need to actually put in time investment in making a VR space (like moving your whole setup to your living room). While with AI you can spin up a terminal and just have fun. Plus the only real "driving" force for vr right now are the furry gooner stuff like vrchat or stuff like resonate.

 

[linchan]

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

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Finally, a sane reason when approaching AI in the creative fields from a respected game designer/creator.

 

[The Real Fizzicist]

I still remember when people thought VR was the future for everything, that bubble burst pretty quick, and now we are up to the AI bubble.

To be fair (and I know this has been said before), VR doesn't had a good collection of games that aren't glorified tech demos. Sure you got Half Life Alyx and Boneworks, but I can't name a single other massive VR game. But also VR costs way more and requires the knowledge on how to set up than a PC. Meanwhile AI is much easier to set up on a computer and 99% of the time, its completely free. Most of those chatbot LLMs or image gens can be installed as easily as clicking 2 buttons: download and opening the .exe file. VR meanwhile had you set up those laser grid box things while on thr correct setting, make sure that your hand controllers were connected to the PC, and then run the game you wanted to play. I used VR for a while and there were days I literally just gave up because nothing worked right.

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Yet another reaonable response from Kojumbo. Looking at the replies, its actually mostly positive (I'm honestly surprised). Heres a few of the responses below along with the link to the tweet.


Da link

 

[Nigger Spider]

not only that, unlike VR you can actually run AI models on older/embedded/toy systems.


this used to be the big reason for me to attempt to get VR but then they made the novr mod and I just used that. Also, that's another big issue with vr vs AI. with AI if you have a decent enough graphics card you can spin up your own porn generator on the same machine you use to play cyberpunk 2077 while with vr you need actual physical space IRL. You need to actually put in time investment in making a VR space (like moving your whole setup to your living room). While with AI you can spin up a terminal and just have fun. Plus the only real "driving" force for vr right now are the furry gooner stuff like vrchat or stuff like resonate.

Halflife Alyx in vr was more fun for me Imo but yeah it’s that it’s mostly a hassle to set shit like this up for something so little I wouldn’t go and say vr sucks, If anything it’s quite fun and its sad to see how much poor treatment It gets from people who work in that industry I just wish they developed something amazing for it for once

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Leave it to kojimbo to be this based, genuinely good take on AI and how it should be treated fucker just knows how to shift a narrative around.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Yea the 'personality' is derived from having to do the exact same shit over and over. Art doesn't have personality unless it makes you fucking depressed and want to quit right? That means all those cheap plates painted with some fake fancy pattern must be the highest form of art right? I just think Michelangelo was a hack really, he didn't even fucking mine the marble himself the lazy cunt, the miners were the true artists.

 

[AmpleApricots]

As others have said, VRs barrier is mostly a barrier of lack of seamless usability and I honestly can't see that barrier ever overcome. It's in the very technology. It'll be always a niche thing. Speaking of Zuckerberg, I found his virtual conferences and -reality spiel very boomerific. It's like something an ad agency person from the 80s would come up with when told to write an essay what computer use in the year 2000 will look like, after seeing somebody read Neuromancer on the train on his way from his all weekend coke bender to work. What little I hear about Zuckerberg (I kinda try not to hear anything) he always came across as having the most milquetoast boomer takes ever, which is funny considering how young he is and what industry he's in, and especially what position he has in that industry. Maybe somebody uploaded the wrong personality module. Even Altman is more personable and charismatic, and he reminds me of the squirrely corporate guy from "Aliens" who sells everyone out to smuggle some aliens back to his corpo overlords.

(btw. if you never read Neuromancer - read it. Amazing book. I read it back in the day and last time about a year ago and it held up *incredibly* well, which sadly can't be said about much of the scifi-y stuff I read back in the day. I don't know what Gibson is up to these days and I'm kinda afraid to google)

I've been playing around with qwen edit the last few days and it's really astonishing how many cool things you can do with this entire toolset of AI stuff that's around now. I'm more of an LLM guy myself and experimented a lot with finetuning prompting, workflows etc. there, never touched it for visual models but I feel it could be very powerful. I'm having a blast throwing old video game screenshots at it and create entire character art portfolios of characters who had like three pixels in their original appearance. I posted one example in the stable diffusion thread.

The interesting thing is, you don't really need much. You need the patience for workflows, maybe a few photoshopping skills like photobashing and just a general sense of what probably looks good and that is all to make things that might not even be recognized as AI art. The next level you'd reach with some actual art skills combined with more advanced knowledge like creating seed pictures in 3D programs like Blender and the creation of Loras, which frankly, is also not that difficult. A lot of the painful slop you see around is not because of the inherent limitations in AI art, but of the inherent limitations of the user who created it. This stuff has the characteristic to hold up a mirror to the user, it's the same with LLMs.

 

[KTA]

Halflife Alyx in vr

Babies first VR - it was graphically impressive, but from a game play perspective boring and too much geared toward the 5% of the population that might suffer from VR-Sickness/ Vr-Disassociation and cant overcome it after a week of regularly playing.

its sad to see how much poor treatment It gets from people who work in that industry I just wish they developed something amazing for it for once

There are tons of VR gems buried under more tons of VR slop. CMC Games Into the Radius f.ex. is one of the best games I ever played. Graphically meh, but the game and level design as the detail on weapons handling creates an imerssion and a feeling of dread I never experienced in decades of video gaming; or Blade and Sorcery with its modding community - better than any aggression therapy to stab and behead npc waves for 30 minutes. And that is not getting into the fps multi player titles like Contractors that are one of the best dry training simulation for comabt situations.

On topic, the combination of VR and AI in heavily modded Skyrim VR is where gaming future is. Having the VR perspective including the virtualization of physical movement while the ability to speak to NPCs that generative react to your speech input with the Mantella mod + Silly Tavern + chatgpt/local llm + text-to-speech/speech-to-text made me sink 200 hours into that Bethesda slop until it became boring again.
And I heavily disencourage everybody with mental problems to spice it up with Sexlab Mods - VR+AI+Sex mods have effects on human instincts and the limbic system that might be civilization ending. The simultation is too good, and the ability to fuck goats or have npcs fuck goats by telling them to fuck goats fucks with your brain on a fundamental level

 

[AmpleApricots]

If you want a picture of the future, imagine people buying endless rows of remastered versions of Skyrim - forever.

 

[General Zoider]

Babies first VR - it was graphically impressive, but from a game play perspective boring and too much geared toward the 5% of the population that might suffer from VR-Sickness/ Vr-Disassociation and cant overcome it after a week of regularly playing.

There are tons of VR gems buried under more tons of VR slop. CMC Games Into the Radius f.ex. is one of the best games I ever played. Graphically meh, but the game and level design as the detail on weapons handling creates an imerssion and a feeling of dread I never experienced in decades of video gaming; or Blade and Sorcery with its modding community - better than any aggression therapy to stab and behead npc waves for 30 minutes. And that is not getting into the fps multi player titles like Contractors that are one of the best dry training simulation for comabt situations.

On topic, the combination of VR and AI in heavily modded Skyrim VR is where gaming future is. Having the VR perspective including the virtualization of physical movement while the ability to speak to NPCs that generative react to your speech input with the Mantella mod + Silly Tavern + chatgpt/local llm + text-to-speech/speech-to-text made me sink 200 hours into that Bethesda slop until it became boring again.
And I heavily disencourage everybody with mental problems to spice it up with Sexlab Mods - VR+AI+Sex mods have effects on human instincts and the limbic system that might be civilization ending. The simultation is too good, and the ability to fuck goats or have npcs fuck goats by telling them to fuck goats fucks with your brain on a fundamental level

Imagine the AI stuff combined with the furry mods ... the results would really be civilization ending and thats without adding the vr dressing. But I will say as an exmodder I lothed working with the vr version because it always meant needing to reconnect all that hardware and jury rig some kind of setup just to test a 1 line code change. Plus at the time you had 3 versions pre-AE, AE, VR. I really wish all vr applications had a 2013 vr mode where you could use m+kb or controller and just use the headset to look around.

 

[Runch]

Update on the Mothdusky AI tracing situation:

Incredibly, they unlocked their account and pretend to have all this proof that ALL of their tracing happened before the AI happened, because they posted WIPs in various places online and then evil people took those WIPs and fed them into AI.

This is not true, because the spaceman art shows its generation data on Civitai and it was prompted via pure text alongside a bunch of other similar random generations. Even aside from that, the generator person would've had no reason to grab someone's WIP artwork to img2img since AI is fully capable of easily generating a boring image like that, it's completely unremarkable in pose and composition.

Thread where they defend themselves, and a bunch of morons eat it up:

https://x.com/Mothdusky/status/1978623585678663852

Someone made a fucking evidence compilation google doc:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1k5JmQHGeL9Sf_m4nsDGpDlVBiRnVUg2RX48sOUwgfZk/edit

They claim they drew the art before the AI based on metadata, but it's a screenshot of a file completely under their control. Metadata is editable, and so are screenshots.

 

[306h4Ge5eJUJ]

Update on the Mothdusky AI tracing situation:

I'd love to hear the explanation for why this guy generated fifty hyenas in space, then img2img'd her legit work, and then went back to generating fifty more hyenas in space.
Really makes me wonder how much of the vitriol against AI is projection from artists who feel like a fraud for using it.

 

[Slurred]

Really makes me wonder how much of the vitriol against AI is projection from artists who feel like a fraud for using it.

The furry fetishists expect us to believe that they have never ever ever touched the infinite furry fetish porn machine. And the valid people of gender would have us think that their unshakeable commitment to workers' rights, Disney small-time independent artists' copyrights and the environmental cause has prevented them from even considering just trying out the machine that transforms images. It's FaceApp on steroids, but of course they haven't used it because that would be doing a fascism. Juniper will pick up a pencil and draw a sovlful picture of xerself in a dress, that will be far more affirming and euphoric.

 

[General Zoider]

The furry fetishists expect us to believe that they have never ever ever touched the infinite furry fetish porn machine. And the valid people of gender would have us think that their unshakeable commitment to workers' rights, Disney small-time independent artists' copyrights and the environmental cause has prevented them from even considering just trying out the machine that transforms images. It's FaceApp on steroids, but of course they haven't used it because that would be doing a fascism. Juniper will pick up a pencil and draw a sovlful picture of xerself in a dress, that will be far more affirming and euphoric.

if you want to make a furry seeth try using img2img and showing them a "good" result.

 

[Elite Kipchak]

Update on the Mothdusky AI tracing situation:

Incredibly, they unlocked their account and pretend to have all this proof that ALL of their tracing happened before the AI happened, because they posted WIPs in various places online and then evil people took those WIPs and fed them into AI.

This is not true, because the spaceman art shows its generation data on Civitai and it was prompted via pure text alongside a bunch of other similar random generations. Even aside from that, the generator person would've had no reason to grab someone's WIP artwork to img2img since AI is fully capable of easily generating a boring image like that, it's completely unremarkable in pose and composition.

Thread where they defend themselves, and a bunch of morons eat it up:

https://x.com/Mothdusky/status/1978623585678663852

Someone made a fucking evidence compilation google doc:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1k5JmQHGeL9Sf_m4nsDGpDlVBiRnVUg2RX48sOUwgfZk/edit

They claim they drew the art before the AI based on metadata, but it's a screenshot of a file completely under their control. Metadata is editable, and so are screenshots.

i genuinely wonder what compels people to double down like that when the evidence is so obviously against them. i would have infinitely more respect* for him if he just said "yeah, I used ai, what are you gonna do about it faggots" instead of whatever bullshit he's trying to pull here. it's probably very easy to flip the script on these terminally online freaks too, just say you're "reclaiming" stolen art or something idk. niggas love buzzwords like that.

*please note that infinity times zero still equals zero

 

[femboy fart huffer]

they unlocked their account

And then in less than 12 hours went back on that. Isn't it interesting that the person who was 'not tracing' and has 'nothing' to hide is now hiding and not allowing people to see the totally great and good proof. If you were innocent and knew that your proof was absolute then why would you suddenly hide it? Or do you not like having people question your morals and calling you mean names in the comments? You know like what you directly sent to the snowcat guy?

i genuinely wonder what compels people to double down like that when the evidence is so obviously against them.

Because their audience is full of people that think AI genuinely 100% sincerely fucking kills people if you use it. For me and you we'd look at these people and think they're a hypocritical cunt. The audience is not running on that level.

 

[linchan]

Update on the Mothdusky AI tracing situation:

Incredibly, they unlocked their account

As of now

 

[KTA]

this used to be the big reason for me to attempt to get VR but then they made the novr mod and I just used that. Also, that's another big issue with vr vs AI. with AI if you have a decent enough graphics card you can spin up your own porn generator on the same machine you use to play cyberpunk 2077 while with vr you need actual physical space IRL. You need to actually put in time investment in making a VR space (like moving your whole setup to your living room). While with AI you can spin up a terminal and just have fun. Plus the only real "driving" force for vr right now are the furry gooner stuff like vrchat or stuff like resonate.

The machine that I used for the heavy modded SkyrimVR+AI sessions including 4K texture mods on everything, dyndolod, enbs out the ass, physics mods... and the mantella set up with local 13B mythomax q5 was: A 1080 TI, 16GB RAM and a Ryzen 7 2700x. Run like a charm, real time NPC powered AI conversations. And physical space, give or take 40 sf.
Edit: And what many people that fall for the you need a lot of space to play VR seem to forget is, that you dont walk physically, the controllers have joysticks. All the children screeching in f2p fps while you hear mom in the background talking on the phone are sitting at the kitchen table.

In fact the only VR game that brought that machine to its heels was Stalker 2 UE-injection.

Generative models are certainly the more generally applicable tech, but the myth about VR (and local llms) requiring the newest team green silicon and 100 sf of space is just wrong.

 

[Runch]

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Yes, if you would like to know why...

Even more AI tracings were found, including the commissioned art that kicked all this off to begin with.

That's right...commissioner commissions artist, drops the art into Grok and gets a little flexing animation, artist goes apeshit that their art was used in AI, throngs of people condemn commissioner, artist gets flex animation DMCA'd...then people start finding that the "artist" was tracing AI works...and now that same commission was found as an AI pic at Deviantart.

https://x.com/acidpooch/status/1979205329926631502 (Archive)



I am genuinely sorry that all of this revolves around extremely gay furry art. I will spoiler some of it.

The evidence pics from this tweet:

Spoiler

Some funny replies in that Twitter thread too BTW, worth scrolling through.

It was a custom commission. AI piece generated on dA in March, Moth uploads snowcat's commission in September. 7 months AFTER the AI piece was created.

Selinar Snowcat, the commissioner:

I commissioned this on June 2 and received it on Sept 8.My jaw just hit the floor because of your post. I don't know what to say...

Link to the Deviantart image: https://www.deviantart.com/mistymink/art/Anthro-Adoptable-1172119319

Apparently, this was Mothdusky's reply/"excuse?"



I have no idea what they're trying to say with this.

I'm finding out about some of this secondhand...apparently someone on X offered a $1,000 reward if you can take Mothdusky's supposed WIP of the spaceman and somehow use it at Civitai to generate the same image they were originally accused of tracing (in other words, recreate the circumstances they say happened). No one can do it. Someone tried hundreds of generations on Civitai and while some get close, none of them line up line-for-line like they do in direct comparison. This is because you have to use a high denoising strength so that the AI breaks away from "monochrome sketch" to "fully rendered, detailed image." With low denoising, yes it will look very similar to the WIP, but that includes being simple and sketchy. Basically as stated earlier, the artist is obviously lying.

So they locked down again because it seems the floodgates are open and people are finding the source of their tracings all over now.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Some funny replies in that Twitter thread too BTW, worth scrolling through.

she reposted that image with this caption after the shitshow kicked off
There is still fucking somehow people in the snowcat post trying to say that he was still in the wrong though. My guy got scammed and then did what he wanted with his own property and somehow he is still the asshole for not respecting the bullshit retardation of a literal scammer. Like holy fuck the people still trying to defend her should just be shot at this point. There are genuinely people trying to say that the ai is the one that stole instead of the other way around.

110usd for this btw. Thousands of dollars grifted all from a child level art skill. Truly the furriest shit that could happen.
Oh yea also that means that she knowing and intentionally filed a wrongful dcma claim considering it was not her work and thus not her copyright. Fairly sure that's something that will get you in a lawsuit.

Kinda glad for this drama honestly. I had kinda palmed grok animate off as yet another paid video ai thing and like yea no not for me it won't be worth the money. And then I check it out and holy shit not only does it have a free option that I think resets daily and is pretty generous but it's really fucking good too.

I'll only include one post to keep this short instead of another hour long read on this topic like last time. I just think this adds to the beautiful irony of the situation.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm delete this it's really unfair brigading sending a hatemob to someone just because they did something you don't like. You should have just dmed them instead of making a public post that got loads of attention. Like holy fuck do these people have any self awareness at all? Maybe you should have read snowcat's tos huh?