r/fuckcars / Not Just Bikes / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

  • 🏰 The Fediverse is up. If you know, you know.
  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
The only industry planned for this city is a shipyard and foundry, despite none of the planners or funders being involved in any sort of heavy industry:
I really love it. In appears that in this funding round, the AI powered startup fintech techbros from the Silicon Valley have invented Magnitogorsk (or if you want a european example, Eisenhuttenstadt). Or any city built around a foundry and then the foundry failing because we exported all the heavy industry to china. In europe we have these every 200-300 miles.

 
Does this fucking ape think that I am cycling through the rain because it's faster than a car? In no fucking world it is.

Also the fucking rainjacket cope, anyone who has ever cycled in the rain knows the hood always gets blown off by the wind
Even in my retarded urbanist phase when I would try to bike (mostly ended up being to pick up my kids from daycare) I wouldn't do it in anything more than very light rain.

Not because it was unpleasant.

But because years before that I rode a motorcycle -- cheap in terms of cost, insurance, parking, and gas for a university student -- as my only means of transport. And I absolutely rode that rain, mostly on the way home from school when I didn't plan ahead properly. Sure the rain is unpleasant and cold even, but the problem was I almost died several times due to slipping on wet painted lines on the road.

As I got older and had kids I couldn't take that risk on a bicycle, I don't know how anyone does really, slipping and having your bike come out from under you whether it's a motorcycle or a bicycle can really mean instant death when you're right next to a car or worse a big transport truck.
 
The only industry planned for this city is a shipyard and foundry, despite none of the planners or funders being involved in any sort of heavy industry:
A foundry as in a place where people melt metal for industrial and commercial purposes?
Most prefer to live AWAY from the foundry not closer to it.

Additionally, shipyards aren't too clean either.

This isn't even addressing those that work at foundries and shipyards tend to look down on shit like this.
 
Can you imagine trying to get a foundry through CalEPA, CARB, all the agencies? I know it's just Vacaville, but come on.
 
As to Fresno:
1000006398.jpg

Its a farming community and has one of the worst air qualities in the US.

And yet Honolulu has some of the worst traffic in the US, which is not something to be proud of either.

Speaking of Honolulu, Phase 2 of Skyline, which goes to the Airport and Kalihi Transit Center, will be opening tomorrow. / Archive

Honolulu Mayor Rick Blangiardi has some serious :optimistic: :optimistic::optimistic: by saying that he hopes that daily ridership will reach 25,000 in a year from now.

“You have to remember, we’re trying to overcome almost two decades of negativity and cynicism about this system,” he [Blangiardi] told Civil Beat. “So, we also have a different cultural challenge. We have to change the attitudes and the mindset that people have held for a long time about the quote-unquote rail into a positive.”

He's also adding a $1 million advertising campaign for Skyline's Phase 2, but again that's doom to be more cash in the trash.
 
I recently cycled in the rain and I decided I will never do it again.
There is a HUGE fucking difference between walking or riding your bike, even in the rain or snow, when you have the option of taking the car and HAVING to ride the fucking bike because it's all you have.

Walking in light rain or just after it passed can be nice, and if you're kitted out, even heavy rain can be fun (as long as you're not a glasses fag).

But riding a bike even after a rainstorm is a fuck, even if nothing else and no mystery depth puddles, you still have the damn bike shooting water up your ass the whole fucking time.
 
I think if transit wants to not be a money pit it needs to be treated as it needs to take a degree of profit into account, virtually every country does and why Japan's rail is generally good and in North America it's an excuse to endlessly pocket government money and have unaccountability
 
I think if transit wants to not be a money pit it needs to be treated as it needs to take a degree of profit into account, virtually every country does and why Japan's rail is generally good and in North America it's an excuse to endlessly pocket government money and have unaccountability
it's a form of fucking autism to declare "one method of moving people must win, because I like trains"

cities and countries that consider it holistically (and embrace dark abundance and execute anyone who causes bodily harm over $2.75) will always do better than those that decide what must win first, and then build it, even if nobody wants it
 
I think if transit wants to not be a money pit it needs to be treated as it needs to take a degree of profit into account, virtually every country does and why Japan's rail is generally good and in North America it's an excuse to endlessly pocket government money and have unaccountability

I've mentioned this before, but because the typical mass transit fan is also big into socialism, mass transit is good because it's most efficient at moving people (always with the theoretical numbers that are rarely hit, and then only doing rush hour), but at the same time must do all the heavy lifting for the less fortunate and at all hours of the day. (In places like Japan trains start shutting down around 10:30 pm, and the last trains leave at 1 am.)

Don't think that it when it comes to this argument you can hammer out a compromise like "trains for efficiency purposes, buses for the poors and the drunks".

Sure, you can blame the planners for not having good infrastructure. But at that point it's not the slam dunk argument for cycling that car-hating retards always think it is. They don't ever start with a premise that people want to get places safely/comfortably/quickly and choose the answer based on their needs. No, they always say the answer is a bike/transit then work backwards finding reasons to justify it.

The "infrastructure problem" isn't a workable argument anyway because they complain about big trucks on European road being "too big for the infrastructure" but they'll never let the infrastructure take the blame there.

it's a form of fucking autism to declare "one method of moving people must win, because I like trains"
Well, if you've spent enough time in this thread, you know the playback, it's not that they just want trains, is that no one actually wants to drive, it's the eeeeeeeeeeeeevil car industry/oil industry that brainwashed the public and forced through road construction.

They think the rest of the world supports this proposition, but it doesn't—even in the poorest, most backwater countries, everyone still wants a car, but only the wealthy can afford it. The president/king/dictator/prime minister sure owns one, he probably owns several.
 
New video by jason dropped

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BXDP9WQe0io
>People here aren’t cycling because they don’t own a car, they cycle because it’s often the fastest, cheapest, and most convenient way to get around.
Is this guy fucking retarded? No, people ARE cycling because they dont own a car. In the Netherlands, there are about 2.65 million people between 18 and 30, and only around 700,000 of them are car owners, so roughly 26%. At LEAST 74% of people under 30 are cycling because they don't have a car. And I rarely see a fucking boomer cycling, those people are always in cars whenever I am on my bike going literally fucking anywhere.

Does this fucking ape think that I am cycling through the rain because it's faster than a car? In no fucking world it is.

Also the fucking rainjacket cope, anyone who has ever cycled in the rain knows the hood always gets blown off by the wind
Notice how he only addresses the weather argument.

Jason won't ever address the actual reason (Niggers) with a 10 ft pole.
 
But because years before that I rode a motorcycle -- cheap in terms of cost, insurance, parking, and gas for a university student -- as my only means of transport. And I absolutely rode that rain, mostly on the way home from school when I didn't plan ahead properly. Sure the rain is unpleasant and cold even, but the problem was I almost died several times due to slipping on wet painted lines on the road.

As I got older and had kids I couldn't take that risk on a bicycle, I don't know how anyone does really, slipping and having your bike come out from under you whether it's a motorcycle or a bicycle can really mean instant death when you're right next to a car or worse a big transport truck.
I'm not into motorcycles, but I do watch a motorcycle channel on youtube where he goes over crash videos and explains what the rider could have done differently to avoid it. And from my observation there's a lot when going from 4 wheels to 2. Things like target fixation, sand/ice, that horrific wobble that happens if your tires are not properly inflated. There's quite a lot you have to think about consciously while riding. Sometimes it's even like there was nothing that could have been done to avoid that crash besides just not riding that day, it's just the nature of being on two wheels.

If you think about it from a physics perspective on a motorcycle the only thing you're depending on to keep you upright is the angular momentum and the force of friction of the two wheels making contact with the ground. I think it's easy to take for granted as an invention how much stability the car has in most rough conditions.
 
Jason won't ever address the actual reason (Niggers) with a 10 ft pole.
Bikefags always pride themselves on the fact that they don't have to register anything, but that works against them when it comes to theft. A car can be stolen just like a bike can, but cars have a VIN and have a way to be tracked. Cars have to be broken into (and most have alarms that detect something like that) and hot-wired to start up, but that takes time and technical knowledge. A handheld tool can defeat most locks on a bicycle, and even if it can't it can be attacked some other way (like stealing the wheels).

The police in a blue city do not care about your bike being stolen and will do nothing about it.
 
Bikefags always pride themselves on the fact that they don't have to register anything, but that works against them when it comes to theft. A car can be stolen just like a bike can, but cars have a VIN and have a way to be tracked. Cars have to be broken into (and most have alarms that detect something like that) and hot-wired to start up, but that takes time and technical knowledge. A handheld tool can defeat most locks on a bicycle, and even if it can't it can be attacked some other way (like stealing the wheels).

The police in a blue city do not care about your bike being stolen and will do nothing about it.
Not just in blue cities, anywhere. As I said before, I once got a 1500 euro bike stolen in a CAMERA PROTECTED STALL, and the stall refused to check the footage because I had to go to the police, and the police refused to put an investigation on it and referred me to the stall's security, I never got that bike back.
 
But because years before that I rode a motorcycle -- cheap in terms of cost, insurance, parking, and gas for a university student -- as my only means of transport. And I absolutely rode that rain, mostly on the way home from school when I didn't plan ahead properly. Sure the rain is unpleasant and cold even, but the problem was I almost died several times due to slipping on wet painted lines on the road.

As I got older and had kids I couldn't take that risk on a bicycle, I don't know how anyone does really, slipping and having your bike come out from under you whether it's a motorcycle or a bicycle can really mean instant death when you're right next to a car or worse a big transport truck.
Tricycles would fix this issue, dunno why urbanists obsess so much over the two wheelers instead.

edit: lmao what
1760595744823.png
 
Carbrained youtuber, HeavyDSparks, got falsely imprisoned by a UTAH environmental NGO group that he has been fighting in the courts since 2017. Link to post here.
HeavyDSparks got falsely imprisoned by environmentalist NGOs he has been fighting in the courts since 2017. The lawyer of the NGOs tried to break into Meta headquarters to get more info on DSparks.

TxExBnSg2xI.mp4
Archive here
 
Last edited:
L | A

(tl;dr N)

The Atlantic

The Other Reason Americans Don’t Use Mass Transit​

People will take buses and trains only if they feel safe while riding them.
By Charles Fain Lehman

OCTOBER 16, 2025, 8:28 AM ET

Mass transit in the United States lacks mass appeal. In a 2024 study of data from nearly 800 cities, Asian urban residents used public transit for 43 percent of trips; 24 percent of Western Europeans in cities did the same. In American cities, the figure was less than 5 percent.

One significant reason for this disparity is that American governments have typically prioritized building roads over rail lines, and the needs of drivers over bus or subway riders. And because the costs of constructing public transit are much higher in the United States than in other developed countries, new projects are rarer and more slowly built than they ought to be. Other problems flow from the cost issue, such as low service quality: Trains and buses make less frequent stops in the U.S. than in peer nations, and public transit tends to serve a much smaller area.

But an underappreciated factor in low ridership is crime—and fear of crime—on public buses, trains, and other mass transit. About 40 percent of Americans describe public transit as unsafe; just 14 percent call it “very safe.” Those fears aren’t unmerited: Large transit agencies reported just shy of 2,200 assaults last year (almost certainly an undercount), and cities such as Los Angeles, New York, and Washington, D.C., have recently struggled with surges in subway crime.
Some dismiss concerns about subway crime and disorder as baseless, the result of insufficiently hardened attitudes toward life in the “big city” or misperceptions about crime’s prevalence. But if policy makers ignore people’s fears, they will miss an opportunity to make transit better for everyone. Riders who are afraid of transit retreat from it, leaving the system—and the public square—poorer and less functional as a result. People who care about public transit need to care about more than infrastructure and design; they need to take into account rider safety.

Americans’ sense that their transit systems are unsafe is perhaps one reason the recent killing of Iryna Zarutska, a 23-year-old Ukrainian refugee, aboard a light-rail train in Charlotte, North Carolina, resonated with so many people. Charlotte has spent billions on its light-rail system. Nonetheless, ridership is anemic. It peaked in the third quarter of 2019, at roughly 30,600 riders on an average weekday. As of the most recent figures, it was down to 21,000, a trivial number considering that 2.9 million people live in the Charlotte metro area.

Safety is a big part of why so few people use Charlotte’s light rail. In pollingfrom last year, only 37 percent of respondents agreed that Charlotte public transit was safe from crime; just 29 percent agreed that the stations were safe from crime, consistent with research showing that new stations on the system’s Blue Line—on which Zarutska was killed—causally increased crime in the stations’ vicinity. The system clearly failed to exclude Zarutska’s killer, Decarlos Brown, a repeat offender with a history of violent crime and schizophrenia. Such people can impose a disproportionate burden on public-transit systems: The New York Post recently reported that just 63 people account for more than 5,000 arrests on the New York City subway.

Anyone who has ridden on an enclosed train car with a disruptive, unstable, or possibly violent person understands why such people drive potential transit riders away. Tightly packed, little-policed public spaces rely on a shared expectation that everyone will follow the rules. When people violate the rules, and when the state hardly enforces them, other would-be riders avoid public options, choosing, for example, to drive to work instead.

This dynamic can create a vicious cycle. As more rule-following people select out of the public space, the ratio of rule followers to rule breakers declines. Left unchecked, the space becomes unusable, no matter how many dollars are poured into infrastructure.

These are more than just academic concerns. With abundance being the buzzword of the Trump-era Democratic Party, many are dreaming of a more robust public-transit future. Improving public safety must be part of that effort.

Many abundance advocates, to their credit, have recognized the need to take public safety seriously. Commenting on Zarutska’s death, the liberal economist and blogger Noah Smith wrote that “America’s chronically high levels of violence and public disorder are one reason—certainly not the only reason, but one reason—that it’s so politically difficult to build dense housing and transit in this country.” But others have the instinct to downplay these problems; Smith’s fellow center-left commentator Matt Yglesias, for example, insisted in a reply that public transit is safe, and that its declining use is mostly driven by quality and quantity of service.

Yglesias is correct that these other factors matter a great deal. But a renewed commitment to public services requires public buy-in, which means in turn that the public can’t be scared away. And insofar as individual sense of safety depends on collective action, fear can choke off ridership even in well-funded systems like Charlotte’s.
This argument applies in other areas of public life as well. Take the much-needed expansion of housing supply. Fear of crime and disorder remains a major impediment to building more housing, surveys show. People worry that new construction can mean new rule breakers, and oppose new housing developments on that premise. Much as with public transit, if safety and order are not guaranteed, residents will shift to the private alternative, walling themselves off behind gated communities, aggressive homeowner associations, and other NIMBY measures. Either the state provides safety as a public service, or private actors will do it themselves—as evidenced, for example, by the rise of private security in Los Angeles.

It’s possible, though, for the feedback loop to run in the other direction. Make a public place—a train, a neighborhood—safer, and people will flood in. This will in turn increase the number of law-abiding people, making the public space feel even safer. This is the core insight of the great urbanist Jane Jacobs: Communities are kept safe by the number and diversity of “eyes on the street” that watch over them. Too few eyes, and the public square empties out. But restore the eyes, and vitality comes back.

Such a virtuous cycle is what America saw, for example, in the great crime decline of the 1990s. A 2009 study found that declining crime drove up home prices in urban zip codes. The 10 percent of areas with the largest drops in crime saw property values rise 7 to 19 percent. This reflects surging demand. As the paper’s authors write, “The crime drop was a major contributor to the recent resurgence of cities.”
A similar phenomenon happened around that time on public transit. In New York City, for example, transit authorities targeted pervasive crime and petty disorder starting in the late 1980s and ’90s. Not coincidentally, ridership on the city subway went from stagnant to rapidly growing in the mid-’90s. That mirrors national data, which show public-transit ridership mostly rising through the late 1990s and 2000s as cities became safer.

Keeping the subway safe, it should be noted, doesn’t just mean dealing with major crimes. It means enforcing rules governing responsible, shared use of the subway. That includes imposing consequences for fare evasion—something certain big cities stopped doing in recent years. It also means ticketing, ejecting, or even arresting unruly passengers, including those who panhandle aggressively or play loud music. Such strategies were integral to the increase in public-transit ridership in the ’90s, and could likely help restore use of transit today.

Cities should do these things because policing disorder can reduce crime, but mostly because public spaces should be for the law-abiding public. This is a fact that the left and the right both miss: the left because it is wary of preferring the “law-abiding” and the right because it is often skeptical that the “public” is worth preserving. These two attitudes, working in tandem, can spoil public transit, or any public space. By contrast, if Americans want a more robust public life—which many on both sides do—we have to take safety and orderliness in public seriously, too.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR​

Charles Fain Lehman
Charles Fain Lehman is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a senior editor of City Journal.
 
In other words, he's an establishment Republican. The Democrats are still in denial about crime.
Fine, but if it's in The Atlantic, they'll read this at least. Though one of the lefty webzines will write about how this is muh fascracism but by it being in something so highbrow it will at least get out there in a way our sperging about it here won't.
 
Fine, but if it's in The Atlantic, they'll read this at least. Though one of the lefty webzines will write about how this is muh fascracism but by it being in something so highbrow it will at least get out there in a way our sperging about it here won't.
Plus lefties are big into the "feels are reals" mindset, but maybe that's changed into straight denial of the problem like when it comes to crime.
 
Back
Top Bottom