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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%

  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%

  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%

  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%

  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%

  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%

  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%
  • Total voters
    1,073
Mola Ram said:
You should be thanking me, I seem to be teaching you brevity. The soul of wit, my friend!
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That's what people without brains would say.

But to put it bluntly, modern Star Wars is what RLM and its fans deserve. Don't be shy, bask in the fruits of your labor! Them killing off Luke and replacing him with a woman is something Star Wars would've done in the OT if it wasn't for that pesky Lucas getting in the way!
 
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Mola Ram said:
(unless you count the Rebellion board game from 2017)
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The one made by FFG, right? How is that? It looked interesting but also a ton of work.

LORD IMPERATOR said:
The Ewoks exist in the first place because Lucas had absolute power. Nobody shot down such a stupid idea as the Ewoks being the tip of the spear. If anything, the later Ewoks cartoons weren't that crazy.

Last I checked, the Holiday Special was done by some network. Also, it came out before ESB, so if you're using it as an example of Lucas having total power, then that means he had absolute power back in the 70s. It was basically a prequel to ESB, used to introduce Boba Fett.
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Lucas was unsupervised on the Holiday Special. But at this point I remember how pointless discussion is with you because you'll constantly play with definitions for whatever point you want to make at the moment and change them constantly.

LORD IMPERATOR said:
It still doesn't make sense why a civilian farm boy like Luke has no bones about killing fellow human beings. At least a hardened killer like Han, an elderly knight like Obi-Wan, and a political zealot like Leia killing people without a second thought would make sense. But if you add the Biggs scenes in, both of them, then you realize that Luke had already dehumanized the Imperials in his mind, which makes it easier for him to kill Stormtroopers and blow up millions of Imperial humans on the Death Star.
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I'm starting to wonder if you understand time. You do know that before the hanger scene, Luke has already shot at stormtrooper and blew up 2 TIE fighters with people in them...

The movie made perfect sense for why Luke is willing to gun down the Empire and its servants. They established that very clearly earlier in the film:
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Nobody was confused in the 70s over the motivation or character when Biggs was cut from the film.
 
Flexo said:
The one made by FFG, right? How is that? It looked interesting but also a ton of work.
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It's FFG, so yeah, it's pretty card-heavy, but as FFG games go the setup is actually not that bad. It's great if you like asymmetrical games -- the Empire and the Rebels are really playing two very different games, with the Rebels not being knocked out even if they lose 90% of their military forces. It manages the trick of being both a large scale strategic battle while incorporating the character level drama that makes Star Wars what it is. (In my first game, Leia fell to the Dark Side and made endless trouble for her former allies.) It also works best as a two player game, which might or might not be a selling point.

Rich Evans would probably love it. Actually, I think it's an adaptation of an old PC video game, so that isn't even really a joke.
 
Flexo said:
Lucas was unsupervised on the Holiday Special. But at this point I remember how pointless discussion is with you because you'll constantly play with definitions for whatever point you want to make at the moment and change them constantly.
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If Lucas was unsupervised that early, then that means he had absolute power back in the 70s and 80s.

Also, I was pulling your leg. Lucas had nothing to do with the Holiday Special; Steve Binder directed it. If anything, the Holiday Special probably convinced Lucas that he should have more control, because the one time he let the franchise go without a stern eye on things, it created something that even he was embarrassed with.

Your assumption that the Holiday Special was an example of Lucas being unsupervised goes to show you can't even do a 5-second check if he actually directed it.

And of course, Lucas used his absolute power to veto killing off Luke.

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If he did have "supervision" as you said it, Luke and Han would be dead. Especially since Harrison Ford wanted Solo dead as early as ESB, and Kasdan wanted Luke dead so Leia can take over. They would've killed Luke and replaced him with a woman if Lucas didn't have the absolute authority with the OT films.

Flexo said:
I'm starting to wonder if you understand time. You do know that before the hanger scene, Luke has already shot at stormtrooper and blew up 2 TIE fighters with people in them...
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And before that, Luke met with Biggs in Tatooine, before meeting Kenobi, establishing that he already supports the Rebels over the Empire, and that he'd already dehumanized the Empire in his mind a long time ago. Also, that he was training for quite some time, so him gunning people down makes more sense, since Biggs was his buddy at the military academy.

That's why I said the hangar scene was jarring. Biggs comes in with no introduction. It only makes sense if you add in the Tatooine scene.

Flexo said:
The movie made perfect sense for why Luke is willing to gun down the Empire and its servants. They established that very clearly earlier in the film:
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So I suppose every victim of a terrorist or criminal attack can suddenly become a hardened killer without training? That's unrealistic.
 
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Evil Peter Griffin said:
Kill yourselves if you think Disney listened to these retards.
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Disney listening to popular critics with millions of fans, whose words were taken as gospel by the internet culture when talking about Star Wars? Perish the thought!

Come on, Disney fucking listened to a bunch of random SJW Twitterati when making things like The Last Jedi, the Acolyte, and Andor. They listened to the Filoni/cartoon fans when the movie series tanked and made Seaosn 7 of the Clone Wars, as well as Rebels and the Mandalorian. Them listening to RLM's fans isn't that far-fetched when RLM's Star Wars reviews were taken as Word of God by the internet during the time of the sale.

If a bunch of maladjusted political activists and some cartoon fans can have Disney's ear, some popular critics with millions of fans, whose reviews are taken as the absolute truth about Star Wars wouldn't have a hard time getting that ear either.

Even the fucking Prequel fans managed to get Disney's ear by the end, judging by the fact that Rise of Skywalker Palps was quoting Revenge of the Sith, and Kenobi as a series was based on Prequel nostalgia.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
Disney listening to popular critics with millions of fans, whose words were taken as gospel by the internet culture when talking about Star Wars? Perish the thought!

Come on, Disney fucking listened to a bunch of random SJW Twitterati when making things like The Last Jedi, the Acolyte, and Andor. They listened to the Filoni/cartoon fans when the movie series tanked and made Seaosn 7 of the Clone Wars, as well as Rebels and the Mandalorian. Them listening to RLM's fans isn't that far-fetched when RLM's Star Wars reviews were taken as Word of God by the internet during the time of the sale.

If a bunch of maladjusted political activists and some cartoon fans can have Disney's ear, some popular critics whose reviews are taken as the absolute truth about Star Wars wouldn't have a hard time getting that ear either.
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My favorite Red Letter Media moment was when Mr. Plinkett said the guy who did The Incredibles should direct Star Wars.

 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
They could've gotten anyone else than JJ Abrams to replace Brad. If you wanted epic science fiction, get James Cameron. If you wanted money, get Michael Bay.
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I strongly recommend you look into the very large number of directors who were considered before the job fell to Abrams, including David Fincher, Matthew Vaughn and fucking Spielberg himself. There are sources you can check besides the voices in your head.

You know what, enough of this.

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Mola Ram said:
I strongly recommend you look into the very large number of directors who were considered before the job fell to Abrams, including David Fincher, Matthew Vaughn and fucking Spielberg himself. There are sources you can check besides the voices in your head.

You know what, enough of this.

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And the fact that they went with RLM's pick after brainstorming different choices isn't any coincidence at all?

That just tells me one thing; that Disney had many prospective choices for director, but they went with Abrams at the end, because millions of fans agreed with RLM's criticisms of Star Wars at the time. It's not just RLM for the sake of RLM, it's the fact that they had major internet clout that probably factored in on Disney's decision.

And before you launch into another tirade of how unlikely it is that some drunk internet reviewers managed to influence them, Disney gets influenced by the zeitgeist all the damn time. The SJWs influenced them, the Filoni cartoon fans influenced them, the fucking Prequel fans influenced them, and you're acting as if the RLM fans couldn't. Even back when the RLM SW reviews were taken as gospel truth in the internet at the time of the sale.

You didn't need to be big to influence something like Disney. You just needed to be loud. The SJWs certainly got that point across. Even Last Jedi haters managed to influence Disney, given that Rise of Skywalker was one big fat apology for the previous film.

If RLM didn't have the fanbase that it had during the sale, we'd have likely gotten someone else other than JJ to man the Sequels.

I've said all I can; the evidence is staring everyone in the face.
 
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Starman John said:
Boy, this one was really grating. I don't want to be that guy, but Brad Jones and Doug Walker had a discussion that felt more alive than this one. As in, they actually talked about the movie and it's problems.
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Counterpoint: they didn't see it in 3D. But yeah they were a bit more lukewarm on it. I didn't agree a 100 percent but I understood snob's seen a lot of this kinda stuff.

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