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Should be a wild four years.

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Can I just say I think I get more frustrated with "conservatives" who are stuck in the 2012 Mitt Romney camp than libtards. I think because of my background I get exposed to more than most. They usually go off on how trump led all the other conservatives to betray their conservative values. They huff and puff on how the conservatives they know are basically evil for following trump as some sort of cult leader.
I just shake my head and ask

"What was conserved before Trump"

I would agree trump is not a true conservative, but what does that even mean when his administration has been the only one to actually reduce the size of the government.
First off, what is a conservative to begin with? Wanting small government doesn't make one a conservative in my view. Wanting small government because the founding fathers wanted small government makes one a poor conservative in my view. Why did the founding fathers want small government? Well, because a large government is both expensive, and easily leads to the oppression of the citizenry (glad that hasn't happened...). Wanting small government isn't or ought not be the hallmark of a "conservative".

My view, is that a "conservative" American wants America to be like America was when the constitution was adopted, or reflect what the founding fathers wanted America to be. Trump is more conservative than any other politician in my life time. He's more in line with the founding fathers than most "conservative" politicians. Rhetoric is just words, not action. Trump is words, and actions. There are a lot of "conservatives", even ones that voted for Trump, that prefer a respectable suit over a "get the job done trench fighter" like Trump. I'll never understand that mindset.
 
states rights nigger. THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN.
Ok but being actually serious. I feel like people just don't give a fuck about states rights anymore in America. That used to be a really important thing to people on the conservative side. I especially feel like that is something that has been completely lost. Especially with trump now. I definitely still want States to have power, rather than a giant federal government still.
 
I guess people in thread don't remember how Vance was anti-Trump when he was trying to hock his book back in 2016.
Politics is a big game. Remember that Trump dunked on quite a number of the people who are either in his cabinet or aligned with him now back when he was running for his first term. Trump being elected in 2016 has reset the entire playing field for the GOP. I think Vance understands that the energy is with the MAGA movement now. I think he also realizes that the country is in a different struggle than it was pre-Trump. Hell, I didn't even like Trump until I saw what he was doing for the country. First president I've seen who delivers for the people like no other.
 
Pritkzer is enough of a true believer I think he would escalate
"Leftist billionaire" is an oxymoron. He's not a true believer because he's not abandoning his fortune for the government to redistribute it to different varities of nigger. He believes in "obtain money and power," and progressive ideology helps achieve the later. He achieves the former by being a cutthroat laize faire capitalist in the hospitality industry. He's an ultra-mecha-giga-landlord. These two ideologies are diametricaly opposed, yet progressives are too morally bankrupt to notice because their entire mantra around Pritzker is that he is "one of the good ones." Same as Bill Gates. They'll ignore mass involuntary sterilization on the African continent as long as the person doing it gets on TV a couple times a year and tells people to stop driving cars and eating meat.
 
I think your completely missing the point
No I’m not missing the point. I’m tired of these fucking insurgents holding parts of the country hostage. The Feds absolutely could take control of the city if they wanted to. The city has a militarized PD? Okay. They have no oil, they have no ammo factory. They have no fighter jets, no Navy. They could not win. They could not even hold off an invasion. The Democrats have no power in the government. There is nothing they could do to retaliate. They would be completely defeated.
 
Ok but being actually serious. I feel like people just don't give a fuck about states rights anymore in America. That used to be a really important thing to people on the conservative side. I especially feel like that is something that has been completely lost. Especially with trump now. I definitely still want States to have power, rather than a giant federal government still.
States have asserted more power in the past 20 years then since the civil war


It’s just now partisan, states assert their rights when they are not part of the ruling party and they fold to the feds (generally) when they are part of the ruling party.

Florida. Texas. Cali all have incredible strong state governments


"Leftist billionaire" is an oxymoron. He's not a true believer because he's not abandoning his fortune for the government to redistribute it to different varities of nigger. He believes in "obtain money and power," and progressive ideology helps achieve the later. He achieves the former by being a cutthroat laize faire capitalist in the hospitality industry. He's an ultra-mecha-giga-landlord. These two ideologies are diametricaly opposed, yet progressives are too morally bankrupt to notice because their entire mantra around Pritzker is that he is "one of the good ones." Same as Bill Gates. They'll ignore mass involuntary sterilization on the African continent as long as the person doing it gets on TV a couple times a year and tells people to stop driving cars and eating meat.
he’s not a socialist but he is a true believer in globohomo. Plenty of neoliberal billionaires who want globohomo covid technocracy to last forever.


he is a true believer in his strain of neoliberalism, I just call neoliberals leftists even if they aren’t by classic definition
 
Ok but being actually serious. I feel like people just don't give a fuck about states rights anymore in America. That used to be a really important thing to people on the conservative side. I especially feel like that is something that has been completely lost. Especially with trump now. I definitely still want States to have power, rather than a giant federal government still.
States rights will die an ignoble death if hives for illegal immigration are not reigned in. Elections are already a landslide for democrats for every single race that isn't Caucasians. As much as I'd have liked for the Confederacy to win, the precedent for the federal government to meddle in state affairs exists. It may as well be used now for an actually good purpose: slowing the browning of the USA.
 
No I’m not missing the point. I’m tired of these fucking insurgents holding parts of the country hostage. The Feds absolutely could take control of the city if they wanted to. The city has a militarized PD? Okay. They have no oil, they have no ammo factory. They have no fighter jets, no Navy. They could not win. They could not even hold off an invasion. The Democrats have no power in the government. There is nothing they could do to retaliate. They would be completely defeated.

>Just start a civil war over a toliet bro

Your a lunatic

And yes you are missing the point because you still think it would be isolated to Chicago at that point and it’s Chicago vs the rest of the USA when you’re missing the point. It’s not about how quick we could beat the city of Chicago
 
Why? Its a toilet! A fight is fine, but use political capital on useful shit.
People are literally getting killed by radical Communists and the government isn’t doing anything about it except a few token arrests on people in the foodchain who don’t matter.

I don’t care what the cause is, if it’s over a toilet or whatever, because clearly this lawlessness isn’t enough already. What would be enough? I don’t know if you’ve ever raised a child, but you don’t start disciplining a toddler when he starts carving up his sister’s face. You need to discipline him long before that. The Feds need to start doing that.
 
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Because conservatives don't chimp out like niggers when they're denied access like Democrat niggers do.

Rep. LaMonica McIver indicted on federal charges over clash with officers at ICE facility​


If Trump calls all the black democrats niggers he could then arrest them when they chimp out. Saying nigger would also help connect him to the common man and thereby increase his approval rate.
 
Meh, i've seen what the other side threads look like and this one is more fun and much more on topic. A bit of sperging about every once in a while is a small price for quick updates about the admin and fun videos of narcos getting obliterated
This thread only gets into an insufferable state when some major national news happens, like the Charlie Kirk shooting, and leftoids try to gain a feeling of control in their life by aggravating their intellectual superiors (the otherwise-peaceful far-right regulars of this thread).
 
>Just start a civil war over a toliet bro

Your a lunatic

And yes you are missing the point because you still think it would be isolated to Chicago at that point and it’s Chicago vs the rest of the USA when you’re missing the point. It’s not about how quick we could beat the city of Chicago
If Pritzker was arrested today the Dems would yell about it for a day and then switch to talking about how Pritzker is actually a piece of shit and they never supported him in the first place.

The Dems do not back each other up when they actually find trouble. They always cave and leave their own to the wolves. They will not start a civil war just because Feds decided to arrest people.

There is plenty of video showing how these Antifa goons immediately break down as soon as you even give a little push back. They are not fighters. They are opportunists who serve to create chaos. They do not have anything close to the resolution of a soldier.

These traitors could be snuffed out very quickly today. Excise the cancer before it actually becomes dangerous.
 
States rights will die an ignoble death if hives for illegal immigration are not reigned in. Elections are already a landslide for democrats for every single race that isn't Caucasians. As much as I'd have liked for the Confederacy to win, the precedent for the federal government to meddle in state affairs exists. It may as well be used now for an actually good purpose: slowing the browning of the USA.
Well, in the case of Texas during Biden's presidency. Texas used the power they have to actually do their own border enforcement. I think there are some cases where it's beneficial for the federal government to wield power. But I think it's just as important for states to maintain their own power to make decisions based on what the people living in said state want.

I do think securing the border should definitely fall under Federal authority though.

edit: anyway. spoke too soon on this thread not being a spergfest. We should probably get some more news posts in here before we start the War of kiwi aggression.
 
he’s not a socialist but he is a true believer in globohomo.
He pushes globohomo because it serves his purpose of staying in power. If globohomo interferes with his ability to gain wealth or power, he will abandon it immediately. Pritzker is not an ideological stalwart that's going to ride progressivism into the poor house. He'd put on a MAGA hat and lose 100lbs before letting his net worth drop below 10 figures.

Most leftists in positions of power are not true believers. Most true believers that happen to stumble their way into power and wealth will stop being true believers. It's the same reason why Bernie stopped trashing millionaires the nanosecond he became a millionaire. "True believer" implies personal sacrifice in the name of advancing an idea, and the vast majority of these idiots would never do that voluntarily or knowingly.
 
If Pritzker was arrested today the Dems would yell about it for a day and then switch to talking about how Pritzker is actually a piece of shit and they never supported him in the first place.

The Dems do not back each other up when they actually find trouble. They always cave and leave their own to the wolves. They will not start a civil war just because Feds decided to arrest people.
you said arrest them and hang them nigger

Also holy lmao

“We will whip them by Christmas”
T. Everyone before they started a war

We aren’t talking about just Le antifa but the resources of atleast one very populous state
 
Well, in the case of Texas during Biden's presidency. Texas used the power they have to actually do their own border enforcement. I think there are some cases where it's beneficial for the federal government to wield power. But I think it's just as important for states to maintain their own power to make decisions based on what the people living in said state want.

I do think securing the border should definitely fall under Federal authority though.

anyway. spoke too soon on this thread not being a spergfest. We should probably get some more news posts in here before we start the War of kiwi aggression.
The Texas situation was a case where the Federal government was actively endangering the state. It escalated the situation into an existential threat to Texas. Once something becomes an existential threat, there is no desire to follow any rule of law. All that matters is surviving. So of course Texas is forced to do something about. It had no choice. Thankfully the border patrol was wise to stand down and deescalate the situation.
 
"If you go back before the 20th century there were no income taxes. There were no regulations on business. You could earn as much money as you want, leave 100% of it to your children with no taxes. That's the world they want back."


Is Joy Reid the stupidest person in the world? Saying "THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE US BACK TO BEFORE INCOME TAX WAS MANDATORY" is not a persuasive argument for me.
She's trying to frame it like it would only benefit Elon musk or something. No bitch, nobody paid income tax back in the day because the government wasn't so fucking frivolous with our money.
When neoliberals (and their offshoot creatures at the TES thread) stridently demagogue about the fascistic doom the GOP behind Trump has in store for Americans and the world at large, they mean more than Fifth World foreign invaders sometimes getting deported. Former MSNBC propagandist Joy Reid gives specifics on the fate America could face:

• No income taxes.
• Less regulation on businesses.
• Earn as much money as you want.
• Leave all your money to your children without the government confiscating it.

Brace yourself for a frightening message:

https://xcancel.com/EricLDaugh/status/1972998635949555783
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Joyless’s proclamation that Republicans “need people to want fewer things” would seem to contradict her assertion that they will let us earn more money and keep it — until you realize she specifically means they need for people to want fewer things that they did not earn.

For what it's worth, on another instance of her infinite wisdom, Joyless something we can agree with:
“I am DEI.”

Watch the professional racist and offspring of African immigrants try and fail to come to grips with her supposed accomplishments having been condescendingly handed to her on a DEI basis by the Caucasians she so hates:
https://xcancel.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1970859374555083026
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If Joyless really were proud that more deserving people lost opportunities so they could be handed to her on the basis of race, she would probably come across as less bitter and defensive.

 
He pushes globohomo because it serves his purpose of staying in power. If globohomo interferes with his ability to gain wealth or power, he will abandon it immediately. Pritzker is not an ideological stalwart that's going to ride progressivism into the poor house. He'd put on a MAGA hat and lose 100lbs before letting his net worth drop below 10 figures.

Most leftists in positions of power are not true believers. Most true believers that happen to stumble their way into power and wealth will stop being true believers. It's the same reason why Bernie stopped trashing millionaires the nanosecond he became a millionaire. "True believer" implies personal sacrifice in the name of advancing an idea, and the vast majority of these idiots would never do that voluntarily or knowingly.
I think you’re just pedantic tbqh. He isn’t some Machiavellian, he stood by his tranny brother when it was like a life ruiner to be one. And he likes power not money is the issue. That’s somone who isn’t going to be forced out of power willingly
 
you said arrest them and hang them nigger

Also holy lmao

“We will whip them by Christmas”
T. Everyone before they started a war

We aren’t talking about just Le antifa but the resources of atleast one very populous state
Yes if the Feds arrest and hang Chicago’s government we will never hear the words ‘sanctuary city’ uttered by a Democrat ever again, just like we never hear about them calling to overturn the 13th amendment.
 
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