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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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I've never understood why we never adopted geothermal in this country. No, wait, I do understand, its because we have a government that operates like a corporate junta and we're not a real country.

The studies have been done, its feasible. We could have a few plants dotted up and down the country to provide power and, more importantly, heat. Say what you like about the commies, but that Soviet era district heating was the shit before it fell into disrepair. If we ever had a government that could see beyond its term of office we could be giving pensioners free heat in winter instead of them choosing between turning the thermostat up or buying a milk loaf.

Happy Hitler number. Achievement unlocked - Unlimited ovens.
 
its feasible
Huh I had no idea we had potential for geothermal in this country, interesting thank you. Studies started in the 1970s and in 2013 they identified major heat basins in Cheshire (slide 9) and other aquifers.. did nothing? Just goes to show how much the green energy lobbying and anti nuclear energy movement is a farce. The energy debates piss me off the most, bills keep rising and all the Greens want to do is build wind farms and kidnap children or whatever.
A quote from the Green Partys website, emphasis mine, "We want to see the phase-out of nuclear energy, which is unsafe and much more expensive than renewables. The development of nuclear power stations is too slow given the pace of action we need on climate. They also create unmanageable quantities of radioactive waste and are inextricably linked with the production of nuclear weapons."
Could a government that gave a shit not push through construction of a nuclear power site and keep its foot on the neck of whoever was managing it until it was done? And if you built a reactor in Grimbsy and 25 years later it melted down no one would give a shit. Net positive.
 
Modern reactors don't really 'melt down' like older shittier ones do. The waste produced is A) Fucking negligible and B) Sometimes profitable depending on reactor design. Helium is currently expensive as hell and purified helium infrastructure is having the shit bombed out of it in Ukraine right now. You can have reactors that produce incredibly pure Helium as a byproduct. A nuclear industry was strangled in its crib by faggotry. IT will never not infuriate me.
 
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You look into it and instead of protecting hedgehogs or river life, they spend half their time campaigning about global warming or for more fucking wind farms.
Fun fact you can get roughly one hedgehog house or two bird houses out of a pallet and it is actually pretty fun to make one with a limited and constrained materials and a decent amount of builders will just let you walk off with them if you ask.
Completely off topic but there's this genuinely fucking amazing website called the uk soil observatory. The entire fucking country and you can go and say yep so 10 miles south of glasgow has loamy clay soil with a ph of 7.5 and 20 miles west of London is sandy peat with a ph of 6. Just some absolute wack shit that feels like it just shouldn't exist. Same for geology viewer. a56? That's on sandstone. 5 minutes down the road? That's mudstone formed in the carboniforous. It's just information that feels like it just shouldn't exist, not because it's restricted knowledge of enriching uranium or anything like that, but just because it feels strange that someone bothered. There probably is something like this but it would be like being able to look up in the sky and see a star and go and be able to some website and learn the exact elemental composition of all of it's planets.
I had someone smugly remark to me once that "cats kill more birds than wind farms". My response was: "Cats? Cats are the biggest killers of wild birds there are. They devastate wild bird populations. That's like comparing car deaths to cancer and going "oh, well this kills more". And they kill a different type of bird as well. I've never seen a housecat take down an eagle but I've seen a wind turbine kill one. And you do know the number of wind turbines are growing. Will you be happy if and when the finally do kill more than cats?"
Yea I agree, cats do kill more birds than wind turbines. That is why I fucking hate people that let their cats outside and wind turbines. I am not a child nor am I an american, I have the mental capacity to hate more than one thing at the same time. The only cats that should ever be outside are the Scottish wild cats. It's just such twitter reddit politics brain that people think being against x means being pro anti x. Just look at palestine, can't say that muslim terrorists raping innocent women and children is bad without being branded as a pro israel genocide denier.
 
A nuclear industry was strangled in its crib by faggotry. I will never not infuriate me.
I'd get a million top hats if i ranted about how the anti-nuclear energy hippies never understood what they were protesting and it was all astroturfed by oil/gas to stop a competitor coming in. The tragedies at nuclear reactors were almost always human error (or a fucking tsunami) and they have allowed us to design and create much safer nuclear power plants but nooooo nuclear scary and bad. Despite YouGov finding 65% of Brits want nuclear energy in our considerations of green energy no political party is championing the cause; green energy, cheaper energy, and a cool as fuck nuclear aesthetic, whats not to love? Only Bojo vaguely recommitted to nuclear energy in '22 and then it sort of faded away. We were the first country to establish civilian nuclear energy (Calder Well in the 50s) but EON and RWE want to pull out of it. There are only proposals for four new plants (EDF) in the 'coming decades', meanwhile the energy bills just keep going up and up. Nuclear energy is based and anyone who doesn't support it is bigger fag than Starmer, or Polanski.
 
I'd get a million top hats if i ranted about how the anti-nuclear energy hippies never understood what they were protesting and it was all astroturfed by oil/gas to stop a competitor coming in. The tragedies at nuclear reactors were almost always human error (or a fucking tsunami) and they have allowed us to design and create much safer nuclear power plants but nooooo nuclear scary and bad. Despite YouGov finding 65% of Brits want nuclear energy in our considerations of green energy no political party is championing the cause; green energy, cheaper energy, and a cool as fuck nuclear aesthetic, whats not to love? Only Bojo vaguely recommitted to nuclear energy in '22 and then it sort of faded away. We were the first country to establish civilian nuclear energy (Calder Well in the 50s) but EON and RWE want to pull out of it. There are only proposals for four new plants (EDF) in the 'coming decades', meanwhile the energy bills just keep going up and up. Nuclear energy is based and anyone who doesn't support it is bigger fag than Starmer, or Polanski.
I doubt you would be alone if you said "The left's activists are always misinformed idiots who do nothing but harm the causes they are supposed to champion". I remember how bad animal rights activists were.
 
Are 1) and 3) process to remove the PM?
What would have to happen for Starmer to leave. What's the mechanics behind it?

Short of royal decree, who can 'fire' him or force him to leave? Would a VONC result in Starmer saying "fuck it, I quit" or could he just say "fuck it, you're all replaced"?
A VONC means that Starmer would have to go to the Palace, like Callaghan did when he lost a VONC in 1979.

He has no choice - if he wishes to 'squat' in 10 Downing Street then he'll soon find himself being dragged out.

As @Overly Serious correctly points out, if Starmer fears for his future as PM then he can ask for the confidence of the nation via a General Election. Of course, he'd lose, but then so would they.

Anyway, what's going wrong at Doncaster Rovers recently?

Link: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/louis-tomlinson-duped-criminal-gang-35934534

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Modern reactors don't really 'melt down' like older shittier ones do. The waste produced is A) Fucking negligible and B) Sometimes profitable depending on reactor design. Helium is currently expensive as hell and purified helium infrastructure is having the shit bombed out of it in Ukraine right now. You can have reactors that produce incredibly pure Helium as a byproduct. A nuclear industry was strangled in its crib by faggotry. IT will never not infuriate me.
That's true about the melt downs. Frankly even the old ones didn't really do that - Chernobyl had a ridiculous amount of bureaucratic and deliberate fuck-ups just to get it to this point. I've never watched the popular TV show because it would probably annoy me with propaganda and inaccuracies (though maybe it's fine - don't know) but no nuclear reactor before or since has come close to anything like Chernobyl - which has long been a very outdated design anyway. Three Mile Island was a fart, little more. Fukishima was hit by one of the largest ever recorded earthquakes. a tsunami AND were very old 1960's designs long out of use. Despite all this, radioactive leakage was minimal. The only reason it got upgraded to the highest severity of nuclear accident was because the Japanese media started accusing the government of not taking it seriously enough because it wasn't assigned the highest category. So despite not meeting the criteria, it was upgraded. So many of the big headline stories were stupid. There were headlines about how birds had disappeared around the reactor with the implication they were dying or driven away by radiation. No shit there were fewer birds - the humans who left garbage and food out had all evacuated. Or the story about how rates of thyroid cancer in children had risen since the accident. You only started doing mass screening for this since the accident - no wonder you detect more cases. There was a tonne of stuff like that. Another lie in the statement from the Green Party was that it is inextricably tied to nuclear weapons. No it isn't.

That bit about producing Helium though. Did you perhaps mistype Hydrogen? Helium can technically be produced by fission reactors but only in very small quantities and I doubt it's feasible to collect it. Hydrogen however can be efficiently produced using High Temperature Electrolysis. A process that requires two things: hot water and electricity. Both in abundance at a nuclear power station. The weakness of nuclear power is that it doesn't ramp up and down very efficiently the same way gas does. But hydrogen is a good storage mechanism for energy. So you run the nuclear power station at a constant level (more or less) and during demand troughs you use the energy to produce hydrogen which you store and can be used in Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles, to heat homes and other handy uses. It's a dream combination.

But we don't do it because just like the wind farms, the battery lobby has their claws out like crazy for it. I've faced more frenzied opposition to hydrogen fuel cells from battery proponents than from the fossil fuel lot. You know what the byproduct of hydrogen fuel cells are? Water! Compare that to disposing of a toxic tub of chemicals that is a modern EV battery.

The only cats that should ever be outside are the Scottish wild cats
I think all cats should be free to roam outside because it's good for them. But I also think there shouldn't be pet cats in the first place. Dogs - I'm a dog person.
 
That bit about producing Helium though. Did you perhaps mistype Hydrogen? Helium can technically be produced by fission reactors but only in very small quantities and I doubt it's feasible to collect it. Hydrogen however can be efficiently produced using High Temperature Electrolysis. A process that requires two things: hot water and electricity. Both in abundance at a nuclear power station. The weakness of nuclear power is that it doesn't ramp up and down very efficiently the same way gas does. But hydrogen is a good storage mechanism for energy. So you run the nuclear power station at a constant level (more or less) and during demand troughs you use the energy to produce hydrogen which you store and can be used in Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles, to heat homes and other handy uses. It's a dream combination.
No I mean Helium. Helium as a by-product is produced in small quantities as a part of the alpha decay-chain, but very minor adjustments to the design of the reactor itself in terms of cladding and siphoning would allow you to produces tonnes of the stuff; for very little decrease in power. You would have to go out of your way to do it, sure; but adding a boron target to the reactor turns it into a helium factory.

If you really wanted, you could increase the fuel enrichment level, and not see the drop in neutron economy.

EDIT: It would make the margins 'tight' in terms of neutrons, but that's only really an issue of "Oh no! There's not ENOUGH power." rather than teh publics fear of "Oh no! We've mutated into flesh drinking nuclear vampires!!"
 
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Lol that Zarah the Sultana announced a whole new Corbyn party without consulting Magic Grandpa. Now she's pissed that the 'posh old White bloke' is pushing her out, as are the socially conservative Muslim men in the ranks. Who'd have thunk it? Gaza + trannies. Worst coalition ever.
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The idea that the left is the party of nature has always been complete bullshit in our country. The people in our country who care about nature are the rich old money types and their game keepers.

I know a chap who drives tractors for a living. His whole ancestry is made up of landowners and farmers.
Someone once told him to put his beercan in the correct recycling bin:
"Don't you dare lecture me about the environment... I AM THE ENVIRONMENT!"
Fair comment?

The Greens were started by wealthy Conservatives. They're a NIMBY party who generally succeed in NIMBY areas. Now they're a party of woke, going for the student vote.
 
Another lie in the statement from the Green Party was that it is inextricably tied to nuclear weapons. No it isn't.
The soap in your house is the exact same as napalm too btw and also if you own a bottle of bleach you love going out to chloroform and rape women. Those are more true than nuclear power being able to explode like a bomb.
That bit about producing Helium though. Did you perhaps mistype Hydrogen? Helium can technically be produced by fission reactors but only in very small quantities and I doubt it's feasible to collect it.
Helium is a decay product from uranium. I believe mostly mox fuel, uranium 238 to thorium and helium is pretty standard. It might be a small amount but considering how vital the stuff is and how it just keeps floating off in to space any actual reliable production is a good thing especially as it keeps half the medical industry going.
I think all cats should be free to roam outside because it's good for them.
It's not. Cats outside get parasites and hit by cars. The only time a cat should go outside is the exact same setting as a dog, being on a lead in your sight at all times. Cats are essentially an invasive species that should be kept contained. If your house is not big enough for a cat to live in comfortably then you do not get a cat, end of. The only people that will say they need to let their cat outside for it's wellbeing are people too retarded to understand that they need enrichment from their owner and just let the outside world do it for them.
 
No I mean Helium. Helium as a by-product is produced in small quantities as a part of the alpha decay-chain, but very minor adjustments to the design of the reactor itself in terms of cladding and siphoning would allow you to produces tonnes of the stuff; for very little decrease in power. You would have to go out of your way to do it, sure; but adding a boron target to the reactor turns it into a helium factory.
Okay. No problem. I know that you can get Helium out of fission reactions, I had just never heard of it being viable as a source of the stuff. But happy if so as there's nowhere else we can get it (fusion would better but we don't have that).

I also now have the amusing mental image of the nuclear disaster hotline ringing. Someone at government HQ picks it up and a high squeaky voice at the other end says "It's gone critical! Stop laughing - it's serious. *squeak* Serious, I tell you!"
 
Hydrogen however can be efficiently produced using High Temperature Electrolysis. A process that requires two things: hot water and electricity.
Another thing I've never understood is why you couldn't use hydroelectric dams to generate hydrogen. You've got ample electricity, so you could easily siphon off some of that for electrolysis and to produce the steam you need (with the ample water supply). You're not exactly looking at an overunity device, but it wouldn't be that difficult to set up and you've got a clean burning fuel.

I mean, you can knock up a standard hydrogen electrolysis setup at home with off the shelf parts (just make sure you don't end up making chlorine gas if you choose the wrong electrolyte).
 
Another thing I've never understood is why you couldn't use hydroelectric dams to generate hydrogen. You've got ample electricity, so you could easily siphon off some of that for electrolysis and to produce the steam you need (with the ample water supply). You're not exactly looking at an overunity device, but it wouldn't be that difficult to set up and you've got a clean burning fuel.

I mean, you can knock up a standard hydrogen electrolysis setup at home with off the shelf parts (just make sure you don't end up making chlorine gas if you choose the wrong electrolyte).
You can, it's just that storing hydrogen is awkward, expensive and we don't use it for that much.
 
You can, it's just that storing hydrogen is awkward, expensive and we don't use it for that much.
Lithium hydride. If we had a decent nuclear industry we'd be using plenty of the stuff for neutron shielding. While you're making that shielding you can be making hydrogen fuel cells out of the stuff too. Storage is the only thing holding it back from being a viable fuel source. The shit is easier to make than wood gas.
 
fusion would better but we don't have that
We do btw. Fusion reactors have been a thing for a while, it's specifically energy positive fusion we don't have. And even then there have been a few examples over the past half decade or so that have managed to get a significantly higher output than input.
Another thing I've never understood is why you couldn't use hydroelectric dams to generate hydrogen. You've got ample electricity, so you could easily siphon off some of that for electrolysis and to produce the steam you need (with the ample water supply). You're not exactly looking at an overunity device, but it wouldn't be that difficult to set up and you've got a clean burning fuel.
That's not the point of dams. Dams aren't a way to generate energy, they're a way to store it. Storing electricity is pretty hard, batteries have a very limited lifespan and are pretty dangerous, also pretty lossy. If you can instead convert electricity in to something easier to store then that's much better, we do that by converting it into gravitational potential in the form of water. When power spikes the dams are opened (think ad breaks when everyone turns the kettle on and such) and when that spike dies off you close the dams. It's very hard to instantly create electricity, you can't just turn the coal furnaces on, same for nuclear, it takes a significant amount of time to heat up and start generating. A dam you just pull a level and the water spins the turbines and can start generating in less than a minute compared to the alternatives that are more measured in hours than seconds.

Also do not ever believe anyone who fucking touts hydrogen bullshit. They are all pseudoscientific scammers. Hydrogen has a much lower power density than petrol just like every other gas fuel, plus it is highly explosive. It is a massive fucking danger for everyone involved. And it's also just not a thing that even works. Producing hydrogen uses electricity, it will never generate as much as it uses. It's not a power source, it's a power storage method and it is a fucking dogshit one at that. Putting any hydrogen system into boiling steam is simply adding another step to lose efficiency. In general you want a 1-1 system, you very quickly lose efficiency if you start adding more steps. We will never have any form of hydrogen powered cars or generators. It will simply never happen. It's like saying we will have hamster wheel power, maybe it could work but it will never be realistic to ever happen ever.
 
Lithium hydride. If we had a decent nuclear industry we'd be using plenty of the stuff for neutron shielding. While you're making that shielding you can be making hydrogen fuel cells out of the stuff too. Storage is the only thing holding it back from being a viable fuel source. The shit is easier to make than wood gas.
I would imagine mass production of Lithium hydride and a mass nuclear industry is one of those things that gets people a bit twitchy internationally. The UK does however need our own cradle to grave production for things like that, so I'd be pretty excited if we started investing in those sorts of industries. It'd keep me in the job lol.

EDIT: The fact that we have to rely on the USA for our fusion fuel for our warheads pisses me off something fucking chronic.
 
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It will simply never happen.
You've got at least four Gen IV reactors on the planet that are being used for cheap(ish) and clean hydrogen production. You could argue that its being fed back into the industry for neutron moderation or the fuel industry for DME manufacturing, but somebody, somewhere wants a fucking lot of the stuff. Ask the Chinks. If memory serves me correctly they had the first Gen IV used for hydrogen production.
 
The RFA scrambled 2 planes to intercept Russian planes flying over Estonia/Poland.

Do you know how fucking stupid it is to start a war with Russia you dumb twats? We have completely open borders. Russia is one of the three super powers on the planet with an excess of brown muslim looking people they can send across on the small boats you refuse to stop entering our country. When Hitler put all the Jews in camps and the US put all the Japs in camps it was because they were worried about foreign ethnic groups sabotaging their war effort. What the fuck kind of leaders do you think you are when your plan to protect your nation is to start a war with a country that can crush you on a whim while having zero national security? Russia could literally send in trained assassins to take out everyone of our leaders and they would all be placed within a hotel/student housing within a week of arriving and able to move around freely the night they move in.

And here comes the price hikes on everything because muh oil, muh war, muh fucking dick.
 
somebody, somewhere wants a fucking lot of the stuff
Oh yea, incredibly important for the entire chemical industry. But they want hydrogen the chemical, not hydrogen the fuel source. That would be a case of setting up specific plants to create it, not just tacking it on to dams.
Russia is one of the three super powers on the planet with an excess of brown muslim looking people they can send across on the small boats you refuse to stop entering our country.
Wdym 'can'? Russia has been funding mass immigration in to europe for the longest time already. That's not a 'can' that's just reality.
 
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