Debate Woggie's child bride on the role child molestation victims have in their molestation

[knightswagger]

Still sickens me that murderous niggers are able to pull girls while hard working men end up with nothing.

pull girls

The fact that you consider everything he did as "pulling a girl" says a lot. Retarded nonce.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

I refuse to believe someone doesn't understand the concept of children not fully grasping the ramifications of their actions.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I've got a few minutes before an appointment and am feeling snacky, so sure, I'll take your bait and pretend this is an actual true perspective - even though it's kind of lame because it's just so bad, but whatever.

I'm just bitter

You don't say.

because I know that girls are having sex well before they're legal and it's not even treated as a crime despite the fact that it actively makes the lives of men who did not have sexual success while we were younger worse. We'll never be able to experience what it's like to lose our virginity with someone similarly inexperienced.

You're sick and deranged, even if trolling. This thinking is so deranged it's comical. You're a clown.

The only way to raise your kids well enough to prevent them from being groomed is to make them so utterly terrified of the outside world that they'll be nonfunctional when they reach adulthood similar to how I am.

Lol.

I've never had a female express interest in me

I'm truly stunned. How can that be?

but I'm just thinking about things logically

No. No, you're not.

You're thinking at best selfishly and emotionally and are lost in what can only be charitably considered ignorance and trauma.

I always fucking hated my peers as a kid and the internet was the only place where I could find people with a similar level of distain for their evil hedonistic practices that I never had the chance to partake in.

Envy is not a moral compass.

And it's "disdain."

At least if your kids are online they're be stuck at home rather than doing drugs or having sex.

Oh, you can yiff all day online, so I hear.

before I look even more retarded and autistic

Un-possible, but I suspect you'll try.

As a kid I was disproportionately punished by everyone, often for simply being the victim or even for things that had never happened

Sorry about that, if that happened. Get help and get over it, either way. Because assuming you're an adult now, you have the capacity to recognize that childish perceptions and thought-patterns are frequently not quite accurate, and certainly old enough to recognize it is fucked up for a grown person to perceive 11-year-olds as generally aggressors/ equal participants with adults in anything. No child that age makes decisions or can evaluate things holistically comparable to an adult.

and it made me a better man in the end because I was and still am too afraid to do much of anything that I'm not directly told to do and not to express any views when dealing with people who have any sort of connections to me.

Assuming arguendo what you say is true, no, you were damaged and warped. And it's time to grow up and get over it.

The only way you are "a better man" is...well, I got nothing. Better than what?

The world would be better off with more people like me.

Yes, you're exactly what everyone should aspire to be. Because you're so happy, logical, well-adjusted, and positive.

What net value do you offer the world, being frightened, hiding, resentful, disconnected, online, and envious?

A bit of a powerlevel but I've just had a very long seated resentment of minors, especially those in the preteen to teen years and especially females

And lol, imagine being intimidated by little girls.

when I know they're doing all sorts of fucked up things and yet I'm the one who's viewed as unreasonable for my anger towards them.

Because it's none of your fucking business what they do, and it never was. And it's quadruple-creepy to be a grown person imagining children being sexual sharks - and 100-fold creepy to be envious of what you fantasize 11-year-old girls to be doing or wanting to do - and another 500x to equate culpability for it to an adult's in a situation of sex involving an adult and a child.

Statutory rape is a crime because of the disproportionate power and manipulation of one less developmentally capable. That driver does not exist in reverse.

This is a bunch of creepy weirdness even as a bait debate.

But if your thoughts are even 1% of what you've quadrupled-down on here, just know that you are severely warped in your thinking, and unless you do a full 180 immediately, I don't see a good end in life for you. And I mean that merely deductively, but very seriously. Your lack of comprehension, your envy, and your calm comfort defending both in service of your own sour grapes because you're a creep and girls (and apparently anyone else) never liked you is demented.

You're right: you should stay home. And stay away from kids. Both on- and off-line. Get therapy on zoom, or move to a solo yurt on a steppe for a few years until you get your head right.

 

[Woggie's child bride]

Spoken like a pedophile trying to make excuses for himself. You should be thrown into a pen with starving alligators.

How have we come to having this conversation.
@Woggie's child bride are u retarded???
You see users being expelled from the forum for being nonces and you decide it is a good idea to tell everybody u are a nonce.
Don't answer me, u are retarded and have the IQ of a 5 year old (a dumb one at that)

Also behead pedophiles,

Why is it that whenever I bring up legitimate issues with underage sex and the lack of punishment for minors who willingly engage in it that I am constantly labeled a pedophile? Never once did I express a desire to fuck children, I just want them to be charged with accessory to statutory rape.

yo maybe you should sort out ur unhealed trauma somewhere else instead of putting it all on a groomed rape victim

just a thought

There is no trauma from how I was raised, honestly I think it was great which is why I want to institutionalize that sort of upbringing so future generations can be brought up like me.

Lets take this a step further. We can make young women much more risk averse at nightclubs and dark streets if we just execute them for being raped. Great idea man

Nightclubs shouldn't even exist as the enable socially destructive practices and the risk of a woman getting randomly raped by a man she had no prior contact with and gave no opportunities to is vanishingly rare. Most confirmed rapes are by men who were already successful with the victim in question, unprovoked incel rapes basically don't even exist in the west and yet it's all women seem to care about.

Why would you WANT to partake in practices you consider evil and hedonistic?

Jealousy and because I knew that if I was denied the chance to experience such things I'd end up being the bitter man I am today who's perpetually stuck as a pearl clutching preteen mentally. I've had basically no meaningful developmental social milestones since early childhood and even many of the most seemingly normal human experiences are alien to me.

The fact that you consider everything he did as "pulling a girl" says a lot. Retarded nonce.

Well yes? Because if he wasn't sexually and socially successful he would have called the police and had him arrested. She was clearly willingly around him at least initially and even alone which is more than I've been able to get with even legal women.

I refuse to believe someone doesn't understand the concept of children not fully grasping the ramifications of their actions.

And I refuse to believe that the vast majority of the world doesn't understand the concept of holding children accountable for their wrongdoing and using punishment as a deterrent. Murder, rape, theft, underage sex, and drug use are all criminal acts and yet society only sees fit to punish minors for the first three but treat them as pure beings with no agency for the latter two examples.

You're sick and deranged, even if trolling. This thinking is so deranged it's comical. You're a clown.

How is it deranged for wanting to have a loving marriage with a woman who hasn't been with any man before me? It's pretty fucked up that traditionalism is now viewed as derranged.

Oh, you can yiff all day online, so I hear.

Still better than actually being with peers in real life having actual sex and doing drugs. I have less hatred for the average furfag than I do most people who have a "normal" upbringing

Assuming arguendo what you say is true, no, you were damaged and warped. And it's time to grow up and get over it.

The only way you are "a better man" is...well, I got nothing. Better than what?

I am better morally than everyone else around me as well as basically everyone I've ever heard speak. My lack of experiences has enabled a hatred of youthful hedonism that few others can manage because they relate that youthful hedonism to their own upbringing and are thus sympathetic while I harbor nothing but rage and hatred for those enjoying the experiences I was denied at their age. Would you trust the average sodomite to be able to humor the idea that his lifestyle is socially destructive? Of course not, so why would you expect any different from someone who lived a hedonistic youth?

Yes, you're exactly what everyone should aspire to be. Because you're so happy, logical, well-adjusted, and positive.

People shouldn't be happy, well-adjusted or positive when they live in a society as sick and depraved as we are forced to endure.

And lol, imagine being intimidated by little girls.

Not intimidated, fucking hateful because I know how they act.

Because it's none of your fucking business what they do, and it never was. And it's quadruple-creepy to be a grown person imagining children being sexual sharks - and 100-fold creepy to be envious of what you fantasize 11-year-old girls to be doing or wanting to do - and another 500x to equate culpability for it to an adult's in a situation of sex involving an adult and a child.

Fuck off, regulating sexual activity is a core feature of civilization so it is absolutely my business what they do and I'm not imaging anything, I've heard it all before and it disgusts and infuriates me.

Statutory rape is a crime because of the disproportionate power and manipulation of one less developmentally capable. That driver does not exist in reverse.

Another blatant falsehood I see repeated all the time. The average teen girl has infinitely more power, freedom, leverage, and experience than a sexually unwanted adult man. She can ruin his life with a few words meanwhile his only means of doing anything against her is physical violence which men are naturally superior at to women.

You're right: you should stay home. And stay away from kids. Both on- and off-line. Get therapy on zoom, or move to a solo yurt on a steppe for a few years until you get your head right.

Again with the baseless false accusation of pedophilia. Therapy won't help, therapists are out of touch, delusional and almost always the type who had the sort of youth I resent which means they always see me and my mindset as the problem instead just demanding that I be happy with a shitty unfulfilling life surrounded by evil people who usually have the sorts of lives I'd kill for. Even in a lot of the lolcow threads I'm getting lifemogged by morbidly obese neets.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

Murder, rape, theft, underage sex, and drug use are all criminal acts and yet society only sees fit to punish minors for the first three but treat them as pure beings with no agency for the latter two examples.

She was 11 years old, my dude. Furthermore, society does hold kids accountable for those last two but it entirely depends on the circumstances. You're deliberately trying to be retarded, here, in an attempt to make a broader point but it doesn't work because of the situation you're basing it around and the related context.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

How is it deranged for wanting to have a loving marriage with a woman who hasn't been with any man before me? It's pretty fucked up that traditionalism is now viewed as derranged.

You can want that, but you're probably not going to get it, so either settle for someone else or be alone.

I am better morally than everyone else around me as well as basically everyone I've ever heard speak.

You must live in a very deep blue state, in a deep blue county, in a deep blue city.

Another blatant falsehood I see repeated all the time. The average teen girl has infinitely more power, freedom, leverage, and experience than a sexually unwanted adult man. She can ruin his life with a few words meanwhile his only means of doing anything against her is physical violence which men are naturally superior at to women.

I don't remember the last time I talked to a teen girl, just stay away from them, it's relatively easy.

therapists are out of touch, delusional and almost always the type who had the sort of youth I resent which means they always see me and my mindset as the problem instead just demanding that I be happy with a shitty unfulfilling life surrounded by evil people who usually have the sorts of lives I'd kill for.

Why do you want the lives of evil people? If you have a shitty, unfulfilling life you should be jealous of good people's lives if anything, and it should make you strive to attain even a fraction of what they do.

Go to church, you sound like a degenerate psycho, but not irredeemable.

Even in a lot of the lolcow threads I'm getting lifemogged by morbidly obese neets.

This is going straight into random.txt lmao

 

[Woggie's child bride]

She was 11 years old, my dude. Furthermore, society does hold kids accountable for those last two but it entirely depends on the circumstances. You're deliberately trying to be retarded, here, in an attempt to make a broader point but it doesn't work because of the situation you're basing it around and the related context.

Yeah, I definitely didn't pick the best case to sperg about this over. In fact I think I'd be pretty hard pressed to find a worse hill to die on.

You can want that, but you're probably not going to get it, so either settle for someone else or be alone.

But that's the thing, I don't even have the options to settle with so all I have left is a fantasy of my own creation.

I don't remember the last time I talked to a teen girl, just stay away from them, it's relatively easy.

My parents friends still have daughters around that age so I hear about them and am around them plenty. Honestly it's much harder to find a girl who's legal but also under 40 because so many of them end up moving away or stop following their parents around which means I have no means of encountering them anymore.

Why do you want the lives of evil people? If you have a shitty, unfulfilling life you should be jealous of good people's lives of anything, and it should make you strive to attain even a fraction of what they do.

Living a good life just ends up with me being ostracized from every group I interact with and if I actually dedicated myself to living a moral life I'd end up homeless and dead. People make connections through their hedonistic lifestyles which then enable them to network their way into a better position in life, meanwhile men like me with moral convictions are demonized, hated, silenced and targeted everywhere we go.

 

[sex haver]

I am better morally than everyone else around me as well as basically everyone I've ever heard speak. My lack of experiences has enabled a hatred of youthful hedonism that few others can manage because they relate that youthful hedonism to their own upbringing and are thus sympathetic while I harbor nothing but rage and hatred for those enjoying the experiences I was denied at their age. Would you trust the average sodomite to be able to humor the idea that his lifestyle is socially destructive? Of course not, so why would you expect any different from someone who lived a hedonistic youth?

Therapy won't help, therapists are out of touch, delusional and almost always the type who had the sort of youth I resent which means they always see me and my mindset as the problem instead just demanding that I be happy with a shitty unfulfilling life surrounded by evil people who usually have the sorts of lives I'd kill for. Even in a lot of the lolcow threads I'm getting lifemogged by morbidly obese neets.

Living a good life just ends up with me being ostracized from every group I interact with and if I actually dedicated myself to living a moral life I'd end up homeless and dead. People make connections through their hedonistic lifestyles which then enable them to network their way into a better position in life, meanwhile men like me with moral convictions are demonized, hated, silenced and targeted everywhere we go.

You seriously need some help, man. You basically hate everyone it sounds like. Including 11 year old grooming victims. Sorry you had a shitty childhood where you didn't get to have lots of sex or whatever.

As for the last one about being ostracized everywhere: ever think there might be a reason for that? Or is that everyone else's fault too?

Edit: Whoops forgot what section this was in, added some text.

 

[pollution jim]

hmm maybe those women should've had the foresight not to go near Ted Bundy's car, also those people who died in Jonestown clearly were accomplices by drinking the koolaid

 

[Woggie's child bride]

As for the last one about being ostracized everywhere: ever think there might be a reason for that? Or is that everyone else's fault too?

Of course there's a reason for it, I may be stupid but I'm not retarded. It's because they all see my worldview as an existential threat to their way of life because what I propose would be a dramatic shift to the social order as we know it and seeing as they are all the "havers" they afraid of losing their position of superiority to the current "have nots". That and they find it annoying and boring to listen to me rant about and basically all discussions with people eventually lead to a natural point of segue to rant about my world view which is always a temptation I struggle to resist.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

How is it deranged for wanting to have a loving marriage with a woman who hasn't been with any man before me? It's pretty fucked up that traditionalism is now viewed as derranged.

1. You are not a traditionalist nor appropriate for a "loving marriage." To recap, you acknowledge that

• You are "bitter"
• You are "utterly terrified of the outside world"
• You "fucking hated [your] peers as a kid"
• The "internet was the only place where [you] could find people with a similar level of distain for their evil hedonistic practices that I never had the chance to partake in."
• You are "too afraid to do much of anything that [you're] not directly told to do and not to express any views when dealing with people who have any sort of connections to [you]."
• You have"anger towards [little girls]"
• You have "very long seated resentment of minors, especially those in the preteen to teen years and especially females."
• You are a "bitter man [...] who's perpetually stuck as a pearl clutching preteen mentally. [You've] had basically no meaningful developmental social milestones since early childhood and even many of the most seemingly normal human experiences are alien to [you]."

ZERO of that is " traditionalist." That right there is massive, massive dysfunction.

2. You don't deserve love, and you are guaranteed nothing.

unprovoked incel rapes basically don't even exist in the west and yet it's all women seem to care about.

Women actually care about being raped in general. Lemme guess, you think it's a good time to be raped by a non-incel?

[Yiffing all day online] Still better than actually being with peers in real life having actual sex and doing drugs.

Nope. It's creepy, dissociated, weird, and destructive.

I have less hatred for the average furfag than I do most people who have a "normal" upbringing

Unsurprising. I can see your future (or present).

Not intimidated, fucking hateful because I know how they act.

They're children, weirdo. The last xx years of your life were supposed to involve maturing and differentiation from people half +/- of your age.

People shouldn't be happy, well-adjusted or positive when they live in a society as sick and depraved as we are forced to endure.

Then leave it. I suggested a yurt on a steppe, but feel free to get creative.

Fuck off, regulating sexual activity is a core feature of civilization so it is absolutely my business what they do and I'm not imaging anything, I've heard it all before and it disgusts and infuriates me.

Oooh, poor you. Hey-o, civilization is not organized around your particular stilted existence.

Another blatant falsehood I see repeated all the time. The average teen girl has infinitely more power, freedom, leverage, and experience than a sexually unwanted adult man. She can ruin his life with a few words meanwhile his only means of doing anything against her is physical violence which men are naturally superior at to women.

It's guys like you who ruin it for the decent ones.

Also, being "sexually unwanted" is not an innate characteristic. If you've chosen to define yourself around it and in fact embrace all the reasons for it, it's your fault.

Imagine being this helpless and hateful. I can't stop laughing. Clown.

Again with the baseless false accusation of pedophilia.

I did not. I simply said stay away from kids.

Therapy won't help, therapists are out of touch, delusional and almost always the type who had the sort of youth I resent which means they always see me and my mindset as the problem instead just demanding that I be happy with a shitty unfulfilling life surrounded by evil people who usually have the sorts of lives I'd kill for. Even in a lot of the lolcow threads I'm getting lifemogged by morbidly obese neets.

Sucks to be you, I guess!

Honestly it's much harder to find a girl who's legal but also under 40 because so many of them end up moving away or stop following their parents around which means I have no means of encountering them anymore.

Dear fucking God.

Creeping on children who are with their parents, where they have no choice but to be there and are not old enough to be out on their own (wonder why? Hint: because they are children.).

(Side question: what kind of community are you in?)

 

[POWER IN MISERY]

this all reads like a schizophrenic uncle paul bit

 

[The Cunting Death]

this all reads like a schizophrenic uncle paul bit

Norton wishes he could write something this schizo.

 

[assigned Karen at birth]

I fully admit I am fueled by jealousy but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Child rape inspires jealousy in you? Who are you "jealous" of in this scenario? The guy raping a child, or the child being raped?

 

[ExsanguinateHorizon]

Tbh all of this makes sense if you assume OP is an average pajeet

 

[Toasted Boat]

Just admit you want to fuck children, because they're easier to manipulate and coerce. You do realize giving the same punishments to children who are coerced by adults is such a bigger risk by just the very reason alone that the adult in that situation could very easily use the consequences of jail time to scare the kid into submission and keep them quiet so they can rape them as they please. It's not the same way around, because grown people are literally very much aware of the very illegal and reprehensible act of fucking a child and already know the consequences of such actions. Which is is why it's such a common thing for pedophiles to groom children into keeping quiet or outright threatening them with violence to get what they want. You don't have any basis in making an argument like this, except for wanting a loophole to have an easy way to keep child rape victims quiet and to not tell anyone. You sound insane and very much like a pedophile who's too scared of the consequences of touching a child. Everyone can see right through you, and I genuinely hope you never have access to children, because god help them if you do.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

I'm as against "youthful hedonism" as anybody. I've never done drugs, didn't have my first kiss until I was old enough to legally drink, and I eventually married the person I kissed. I have strong moral convictions surrounding sex and drugs. I've always lived by those convictions, and my kids will have to live by them as long as they're under my roof.

You, on the other hand, are a pedophile who blames children for being raped, and you should kill yourself NOW.

Inb4 "but it's just my opinion, I don't ackshually want to fuck kids" — I don't care, kys.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

But that's the thing, I don't even have the options to settle with so all I have left is a fantasy of my own creation.

Sure you do, there's billions of women, you're just being picky.

Honestly it's much harder to find a girl who's legal but also under 40 because so many of them end up moving away or stop following their parents around which means I have no means of encountering them anymore.

Tough pill to swallow, but you might have to drop the "under 40" criteria.

Living a good life just ends up with me being ostracized from every group I interact with and if I actually dedicated myself to living a moral life I'd end up homeless and dead. People make connections through their hedonistic lifestyles which then enable them to network their way into a better position in life, meanwhile men like me with moral convictions are demonized, hated, silenced and targeted everywhere we go.

Why the hell would you end up dead living a moral life? You can make connections through normal means. Church, clubs, classes, etc.

Also, being "sexually unwanted" is not an innate characteristic.

Sure it is, it's called being unattractive.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Sure you do, there's billions of women, you're just being picky.

That theoretical person is obviously in no position to be picky with any integrity.

Why the hell would you end up dead living a moral life? You can make connections through normal means. Church, clubs, classes, etc.

You've been around long enough to know that those things are perceived as irrelevant in certain states of mind.

Sure it is, it's called being unattractive.

Plenty of unattractive people are sexually wanted. Even many who might be considered more than one of physically, mentally, and/ or emotionally "unattractive."

No; that's not the root concept here. The root concept is that little girls don't want to fuck him, and he thinks that's unfair, so he decides to flip it to "those little sluts." The root-root is that, exactly as he said, he is arrested developmentally and bitterly wounded from entitlement, dysfunction, and hurt feelings. Unattractiveness is one thing and is not fatal to a quality life; all of the other - which is much bigger than any level of unattractiveness - suggests that Darwin was a sage on many levels.

 

[Woggie's child bride]

ZERO of that is " traditionalist." That right there is massive, massive dysfunction.

Sure it's dysfunctional but I never really had the chance to function as anything more than a slave, many of the supposedly small pleasures in life that most people take as a given are and always have been out of reach for me simply because I was raised properly in an evil world and thus I'm left mentally stunted and unable to function.

Women actually care about being raped in general. Lemme guess, you think it's a good time to be raped by a non-incel?

My rant was admittedly a bit off topic but the intent was to make a point of how the common perception of rape is far different from the legal reality and that a significant portion of them are by men that the victim was already attracted to so it's not the nightclubs or the dark alleys that lead to women getting raped, it's their choice of men because they naturally select for impulsivity, violence, and low IQ. If women selected for high inhibition, pessimistic, high IQ men like me with a lower likelihood for violence the rates of rape would drop dramatically because instead of Tyrone the murderous rapist getting all the women into positions of vulnerability it would be men like me who are constantly thinking about all the angles these women have to ruin my life and how I would never be able to get away with anything in retaliation no matter how badly she screws me over.

Nope. It's creepy, dissociated, weird, and destructive.

The dissociation and detachment is what makes it less damaging. I'm actually of the minority who thinks the danger of porn is massively overblown but the dangers of sex and romance couldn't be more understated

They're children, weirdo. The last xx years of your life were supposed to involve maturing and differentiation from people half +/- of your age.

And yet I was denied the experiences needed to mature and differ while plenty are having such experience in their early teens or even preteens. And somehow i'm supposed to just be okay with being a slave to support an evil world that allows minors to have premarital sex while I can't even get a legal woman of breeding age.

Creeping on children who are with their parents, where they have no choice but to be there and are not old enough to be out on their own (wonder why? Hint: because they are children.).

I don't make approaches until I find out their age from a second hand source, so I'm not "creeping on children" I'm merely stating an observable trend with young adults no longer following their parents to social gatherings. I don't really see how a man is meant to find a legal woman when the daughters of everyone my parents know are all moving away when they become eligible partners.

(Side question: what kind of community are you in?)

I'm not quite sure what you mean? In real life I only have my parents and grand parents which is why most of my non-parental socialization comes from gatherings they host. online I'm in a few discord servers but I tend to keep my mouth shut because I get banned whenever I mention the state of society.

Child rape inspires jealousy in you? Who are you "jealous" of in this scenario? The guy raping a child, or the child being raped?

He was still able to get a female attracted to him in the first place which is something I've never managed. Not just that but he managed to do it before getting caught and charged which means I can't imagine it taking more than even as little as a dozen attempts. meanwhile I've gone my whole life without being able to get an of age woman to even use me as a free meal ticket.

Plenty of unattractive people are sexually wanted. Even many who might be considered more than one of physically, mentally, and/ or emotionally "unattractive."

If that was true then I would at least be able to manage initial attraction but that seems impossible I never even had a chance.

Sure you do, there's billions of women, you're just being picky.


Tough pill to swallow, but you might have to drop the "under 40" criteria.

At that point she's too old to provide me with healthy children so what's even the point? If I want sex I have my hand, if I want nonsexual physical affection I have a pillow, if I want companionship I can just fantasize that I am loved, the only thing I crave that I have no substitute for is children of my own(not in a sicko way).

Why the hell would you end up dead living a moral life? You can make connections through normal means. Church, clubs, classes, etc.

Even at such places the people don't take well to my rather radical views and dismiss my points just because I'm fueled by jealousy.