IN Education vs Dharma ? #Dharma_Is_Not_Optional - Divya Nagaraj on The Goal of Education.

The Goal of Education​

This can be answered in two ways, through the western (adharmic) lens and the dharmic lens. Let us first examine this question through the western lens.

In the Western sense, put in most simplistic terms, the goal of education is to attain material prosperity and status. The basis of the western system of education, as of today, is to separate religion from science. Therefore, the topic of religion is kept out of classrooms.

The students are expected to specialize in any (or multiple talents !!) of the subjects of science, humanities, arts, music, literature, and so on, mostly based on their aptitude and skill-set. While the subject matter expertise is taken care of, one might ask about morals and values for children, how is that addressed? Morals and values are taught separately as to what is good and bad in binary terms.

All over the world, everyone agrees that lying is bad. Therefore, children are told not to lie. But are they taught what exactly constitutes a lie?

Religion (the Western Universalist sense) and science can never reconcile because of the insurmountable foundational differences. Obviously, when I say religion here, I’m not including Hinduism, for Hinduism isn’t a religion in the “western” sense, instead, it is Dharma, Sanatana Dharma. Since religion and science cannot reconcile, it made sense for the West to separate religion from education.https://intellectualkshatriya.com/education-vs-dharma-dharma_is_not_optional/#_edn1 Because science cannot be altered, it is the way it is, whether you like it or not. Neither were the Abrahamics ready to change the philosophy of religion, in order to align it with the natural laws of the universe, that science aims to be. Therefore, the only way forward was to separate the two.

So a typical product of this system of education goes on to secure a well-paying job, or tends to become an entrepreneur, whose only motive is profit (because it is the primary measure of success) with total disregard to humanity or environment, aspire to climb up the ladder of positions in a corporation, lead a good life(the one constituting all the luxuries money can buy) and then retire with enough wealth to take care of them for the rest of their lives. While this system is materialistically rewarding, will it help one accomplish his/her spirituals goals, or teach one to pay back to this universe which has blessed us all with the bounties of nature. Will it remind one of the impending duties towards humanity? When one’s goal is only material prosperity, morals and values are trivialized or compromised.

This system of education was imposed globally, through colonial conquests. India is a prime example that exemplifies the loopholes in this system of education.​

Now let’s focus on the goal of education through the dharmic lens. The authentic Indian system of education focused on blending material prosperity with spiritual goals. It emphasized on maintaining harmony with nature. There was no need to alienate Hindu dharma from the educational sphere as there are no conflicts between dharma and science as in the case of religion. The ultimate goal of human existence as per the Hindu philosophy is to attain moksha, loosely translated as self-realization. Education took care of this goal by customizing the path for every individual, unlike the one size fits all theory of the West. In the traditional Gurukul system, the relationship between the teacher and the student was a sacred one. It was the responsibility of the Guru to foresee the welfare and development of the student in all spheres of his life, it was a holistic approach. [ii]Based on the aptitude and the skill set of the student, the Guru guided the student to follow a path that would help him achieve both material progress and spiritual goals. Morals and values were blended in with all subjects, helping the student to learn contextual ethics and values.

India was once the most economically prosperous country in the world, with nearly 40 % of the world’s GDP. It was also the most advanced in terms of science as per modern standards, be it in the field of medicine, astronomy, linguistics, architecture, metallurgy, steel industry, shipbuilding, mathematics, textiles, and more. It is also a known fact that the Queen of Spain ordered Christopher Columbus to find a sea route to the wonderland which is India, but then he accidentally landed on the shores of America and the rest is history.[iii] [iv]

Dharampal’s recorded observation of the subjects taught across India in this era : mainly constituted Ramayana & Mahabharata along with other disciplines of Shastras and specialized Vedic subjects. The itihasa symbolize ethics, morality, science, and everything else that is required to achieve progress and prosperity.

The Mahabharata encompassed economics, sociology, politics, accounting, the art of war, chemistry, and more.[v] In this period, India had a flourishing trade with the rest of the world and produced some of the greatest luminaries in the field of arts and science. India’s contributions to the field of science and technology are well recorded. From Sushrutha to Aryabhata to Srinivasa Ramanujan. Thanks to the British and our colonized Indian luminaries, these great itihasas as were buried as mere stories, thereby putting a full-stop to the genius Indian era.

Another important aspect of the Indian education system is that, it focused on the development of buddhi, what we may call as the intellect. It is said that the primary cause of all the problems in our life is the result of a poorly developed intellect. When the intellect is well-developed we make wise decisions, failure will not wreck us, for it helps in developing equanimity towards success and failure. It enables one to master the senses, and stay focused on the ultimate goal of life. How could one attempt to teach subjects without helping the child to develop a strong intellect?

This is one of the major flaws in the (buddhi-free) Western system of education.​

The aim of (traditional) education in (ancient )India is chitta-vritti-nirodha, the inhibition of those activities of the mind by which it gets entangled in the world of matter and objects.[vi]​

What a contrast to the Western system of education, isn’t it?

One of the key differences between the two systems of education, is that, the west teaches you how to succeed, but will not teach you how to deal with failure.

This is evident from the family lives of the West, their family systems and personal relationships are largely broken, as a result they are mostly unhappy with a lot of psychological issues, despite the material success. [vii] [viii]

Now contrast the pre-colonial (pre-Islamic invasions even ..) India with the one under the Macaulay system of education. When India was once the pioneer in scientific innovations, what happened now? Why aren’t we able to produce the kind of geniuses we once did?

Nevertheless, we have produced a good number of capable modern slaves, who are willing to be at the beck and call of the American sahibs. At best, a handful have been appointed as CEOs of large corporations. Most Indians look at this as a civilisational achievement and as a cause to celebrate. Dutifully serving the Western master is a matter of pride. Why haven’t Indians created any of the leading corporations in the world? Is that not the right question to ask ?

A pretty straightforward answer, I think – is the education system which makes all the difference.

Now, one may argue that the western system of education has also driven some of the game-changing innovations in the world and can also attribute the material success of the USA and Europe to this education system.

But this success is also in a direct relation with the lack of sustainability and the debilitating “COST”, that humanity and the planet is paying to help the West achieve whatever they have done so far.​

Their practices are “completely” ADHARMIC,​

…with total disregard for humanity or nature .​

The two critically acclaimed and hard-hitting Documentaries , linked below , should provide to the dharmic-ally oriented reader , proof of the deeply ADHARMIC foundations of (all) Western systems.



Planet of the Humans


the Corporation

It is time we re-think the system of education in India and revive it for good. Superficial attempts will not do. Is it worth alienating spirituality and deep dharma driven values from education?

This alienation has only produced a breed of aimless depressed youth, who are compromised on everything, from morality to values to decency to even basic cleanliness and discipline. ​

Bibliography

https://intellectualkshatriya.com/education-vs-dharma-dharma_is_not_optional/#_ednref1 https://rajivmalhotra.com/library/articles/dharma-religion/

[ii] Ancient Indian Education, Radha Kumud Mookerji

[iii] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qgkONu6nbk

[iv] https://indicmandala.com/traditional-knowledge-systems-overview/

[v] Ancient Indian Education, Radha Kumud Mookerji

[vi] Ancient Indian Education, Radha Kumud Mookerji

[vii] https://time.com/5577626/americans-stressed-out-gallup-poll/

[viii] https://www.trendrr.net/8004/countries-with-highest-divorce-rate-world-famous-lowest-india-japan/


Divya Nagaraj from Bangalore is currently a Research Assistant at Infinity Foundation. She is a Computer Science Engineer from PES University, Bangalore with a Post-Graduate degree in management from SP Jain school, View More…

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[Male Idiot]

Great idea. Make all of India's schools religious, they'll unlock the poo fusion tech tree in a year or two. Pookes are 202p times more powerful than nukes.

 

[Judge Holden]

India was once the most economically prosperous country in the world, with nearly 40 % of the world’s GDP. It was also the most advanced in terms of science as per modern standards, be it in the field of medicine, astronomy, linguistics, architecture, metallurgy, steel industry, shipbuilding, mathematics, textiles, and more.

The Mahabharata encompassed economics, sociology, politics, accounting, the art of war, chemistry, and more. In this period, India had a flourishing trade with the rest of the world and produced some of the greatest luminaries in the field of arts and science. India’s contributions to the field of science and technology are well recorded. From Sushrutha to Aryabhata to Srinivasa Ramanujan

Now contrast the pre-colonial (pre-Islamic invasions even ..) India with the one under the Macaulay system of education. When India was once the pioneer in scientific innovations, what happened now? Why aren’t we able to produce the kind of geniuses we once did?

Setting aside the expected SAAAAAR WE WERE THE SMARTEST AND MOST ADVANCED AND SPECIAL AND ENLIGHTENED AND PERFECT EMPIRE EVER SAAAR UNTIL THE BLOODY MUSLIMS AND BRITISHERS LOOTED AND ENSLAVED US AND INVENTED FAMINE AND RAPE AND POO SAAAAAR bullshit which is straight up Kangz level of historical cope'n'seethen, if this super special and mystic n shit jeet education was so objectively and tangibly superior to westoid education and if it turned india into this hyper advanced "wonderland"....fucking christ its genuinely difficult to keep a straight face here...then why exactly was india so easily conquered and turned into a gigantic market pinata/continent sized company town by a far weaker and less numerous and supposedly infinitely more primitive and less advanced and intelligent country on the other side of the planet?

 

[marlimar]

Religion (the Western Universalist sense) and science can never reconcile because of the insurmountable foundational differences.

We do it just fine by partitioning them, keep science where it's useful and religion where it's useful, the Venn diagram overlap doesn't need to be large, just enough space to not shit in the street. Start educating your billion jeets how to do that and then we can talk about foundational differences that effect why India is inferior even to the bug men that share their sub-continent.

But this success is also in a direct relation with the lack of sustainability and the debilitating “COST”, that humanity and the planet is paying to help the West achieve whatever they have done so far.​

Their practices are “completely” ADHARMIC,​

…with total disregard for humanity or nature .​

I'm fairly certain nature has a disregard for humanity the way it kills a bunch of us regularly... why are you worried about sustainability, the cows will continue to create excrement for you to eat/wallow in/other Indian past times.

A pretty straightforward answer, I think – is the education system which makes all the difference.

Your dutiful masters could not teach you hygiene, something our toddlers learn about is called "potty training" I know Indians are afraid of getting sucked into the toilet and ending up back in India, but you simply have to learn how to act white better.

is time we re-think the system of education in India and revive it for good. Superficial attempts will not do. Is it worth alienating spirituality and deep dharma driven values from education?

This alienation has only produced a breed of aimless depressed youth, who are compromised on everything, from morality to values to decency to even basic cleanliness and discipline. ​

It's worth alienating the cows to pastures and fecal matter to toilets, good to see even the jeets blame the younger generation for all their problems.

 

[Haramburger]

Dharma reinforces the caste system, you need the state to remind the next darkie generation why they're inferior, Brahmans most affected.

 

[Google.com]

The niggas from lost?

 

[TaimuRadiu]

I completely agree that India is incompatible with Western values.

 

[SomeDudeInA6PointedStan]

"It was also the most advanced in terms of science as per modern standards, be it in the field of medicine, astronomy, linguistics, architecture, metallurgy, steel industry, shipbuilding, mathematics, textiles, and more."

This is quite literally just false even according to the very India friendly academic consensus. Medicine is probably the best argument as allot of ancient surgical techniques have evidence to indicate they originated in India, however allot surgical techniques and important medicinal practices (Such as variolation) originated far outside of India. Astronomy was one of the least Indian sciences in world history with barely any discoveries coming from India for thousands of years (Which makes perfect sense, there ain't no poo in the skies so why would they be remotely interested in it.). Linguistics? this is barely a science, but I could say there was a bunch of linguistics in India considering how they regions spoke hundreds of different languages. Metallurgy and "steel industry" was something they notably where consistently behind on compared to most other world powers in a number of important areas, they where among the first to have steel but the amount of steel production was infinitesimal until the British built steel making facilities.

India did not have things like blast furnaces despite living pretty close to the place where they were first invented for thousands of years until the British started building them there, they did not have trip hammers or many other assorted metal working technologies for thousands of years and as result by the early modern era prior to British control they where already importing metal goods in mass from places as far away as Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ4Jw9zNAws

Architecture is a laughable claim, the Indus valley civilization was the only civilization to produce any notable architecture in India in the ancient and after its fall there would be millennia between them and late antiquity where anything remotely notable would be built in India. Then it is known for a certainty that no fundamental advancement in architecture came from India, nothing was particularly notable and nothing they built used any technology or science that had not already been discovered centuries or millennia prior elsewhere in the world. All of the wonders of Mesopotamia, Rome, Egypt, and Greece far surpassed them in the ancient era and Muslim and European works existed which where of superior complexity and design in the medieval era.

Ship building is by far the most hilarious claim as that was always the technological area Indians where always the farthest behind on. Arabs contributed far more to ship building technology then Indians ever came close to. China was building 50 meter sailing ships in the early medieval era while the most advanced indigenous produced Indian vessel remained the rinky dink Dhow up until British colonization. The funny thing is that this is almost certainly referencing a Hinduvatva myth that the Chola dynasty was able to build massive super battleships with flame throwers like the Byzantines did which has been extensively debunked as not only is there no archeological evidence it has been found near every single historical reference they use to argue its existence was invented in some manner.

https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/ucxaey/the_thirisadai_an_ahistorical_age_of_empires_ii/

Indians likely where the first develop the earliest form of the modern numeric system we know as Arabic numerals (Which where heavily altered into their current form after they left India.), we will never stop hearing about that. The fact nearly every single other mathematical advancement such as algebra, geometry, trigonometry, calculus, number theory, probability, statistics, logic, and set theory was largely or wholly developed outside of India will always be lost on Indians. India had a long history of cotton weaving and unique styles of cotton weaving, so does much of the Middle East and the Mediterranean. You know which nation made the biggest and most fundamentally world altering inventions in the area of textile production; the British, they are the ones who invented industrial weaving machinery that left anything that came before it in the dust.

 

[NoReturn]

It emphasized on maintaining harmony with nature.

BULL.

FUCKING.

SHIT.

Bonus:

 

[DickMain]

words words words

Methinks the jeet doth protest a bit much.

 

[Gianfranco Pizzaballa]

This guy doesn't understand much about Western education. Historically, the same texts (such as Latin) were studied to reinforce common culture. Later, the concept of "educated person" encompassed the understanding of different schools of thought on a subject. Education as a way to gain skills and make money has been a relatively recent development. Liberal Arts degrees were still considered a preparation for management prior to the 1980s.
As the US separates church and state, public schools leave moral instruction up to the parents. Private schools often do incorporate moral/religious lessons.
I really hate when foreign nationals West 'Splain to natives.

 

[Pampered Degenerate]

This guy doesn't understand much about Western education. Historically, the same texts (such as Latin) were studied to reinforce common culture. Later, the concept of "educated person" encompassed the understanding of different schools of thought on a subject. Education as a way to gain skills and make money has been a relatively recent development. Liberal Arts degrees were still considered a preparation for management prior to the 1980s.
As the US separates church and state, public schools leave moral instruction up to the parents. Private schools often do incorporate moral/religious lessons.
I really hate when foreign nationals West 'Splain to natives.

The first half of a -splain portmanteau derives from the 'splainer, not the subject being 'splained, e.g. mansplain. Therefore, poosplain, or jeetsplain, would make more sense in this case.