Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

HeavenDoesntGiveAFuck.mp4

I just want to add to the stupidity of this scene.

Nobody reacts to Lute throwing her sword within a few inches of Saint Peter's head (Because it's supposed to be funny and you're not supposed to think about it), the episode also seemingly completely forgets that the Exterminations were a big secret and Sera faces no punishment or moral backlash (Especially with redemption being proven so soon possible right after the secret comes out), and of course all this on top of nobody but Lute having any sort of reaction to Adam's death.

This might actually be worse than the scene where it's revealed Blitzo and Stolas knew each other as kids. Because it makes about half a dozen characters, and Heaven as a whole, look extremely fucking stupid even by the standards of this show.

 

[Gothic Runes]

Less gay, more of this:

I'll probably never get another chance to post this.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

And perhaps the Spearker of God depending on how omniscient they are

From what's been leaked, it seems the Speaker either didn't know or she let it happen to teach Sera a lesson.
She has a whole duet with Sera where she tells her to forgive herself for being wrong about the exterminations, and she's the one who decides to let Pentious stay in Heaven.

 

[Niggerphobe]

I think the show main plot has a bigger plot hole than her parents condom

 

[GoodWinSon]

I am sorry if this has been said before but is Charlie Vivzie's idealized self-insert?

-Perpetually nice dogooder who can do no wrong

-Put down by jerks who don't see the value in her work

-Has a string of bad relationships with me

-Comes from a well to do family

-Lives in Los Angeles hell which even she admits is terrible but can't bring herself to leave

-Surrounded by a gaggle of kooky and quirky hanger-ons

-If the rumors of Viv having daddy issues are true then add that to the pile

-Has the patronage of those richer and more powerful then her, protecting her from consequences

 

[The tired cat]

I am sorry if this has been said before but is Charlie Vivzie's idealized self-insert?

-Perpetually nice dogooder who can do no wrong

-Put down by jerks who don't see the value in her work

-Has a string of bad relationships with me

-Comes from a well to do family

-Lives in Los Angeles hell which even she admits is terrible but can't bring herself to leave

-Surrounded by a gaggle of kooky and quirky hanger-ons

-If the rumors of Viv having daddy issues are true then add that to the pile

-Has the patronage of those richer and more powerful then her, protecting her from consequences

Well,if we're talking about show Charlie, then yes. If compared to the pilot version? Then, that Charlie is drastically different from what we got.

 

[GoodWinSon]

Well,if we're talking about show Charlie, then yes. If compared to the pilot version? Then, that Charlie is drastically different from what we got.

Even then you'll note that even Pilot Charlie still had many of these traits. Example; Charlie presents the Happy Hotel (Zoophobia) to the public, but is rejected (bad webcomics wiki and other criticism). This is, of course, none of her fault - she's just trying her best and the masses are cruelly putting her down.

Granted the we all know the Pilot is written much better so it's not as blatant. The first scene with Adam is just an inferior version of the TV station scene in the pilot.

 

[The tired cat]

Even then you'll note that even Pilot Charlie still had many of these traits. Example; Charlie presents the Happy Hotel (Zoophobia) to the public, but is rejected (bad webcomics wiki and other criticism). This is, of course, none of her fault - she's just trying her best and the masses are cruelly putting her down.

Granted the we all know the Pilot is written much better so it's not as blatant. The first scene with Adam is just an inferior version of the TV station scene in the pilot.

You're missing one crucial point: Pilot Charlie has no idea if her plan will even work, she pretty much knows and admits all this is a huge shot in the dark. Theres a reason why nobody buys into her idea in the pilot and even mock it.

Show Charlie meanwhile is 100% sure her plan will work. Why? Because fuck you, thats why!

 

[Exegesis]

The constant use of gay sex in Viv's work really doesn't help the stereotype that people who aren't straight make their sexuality their whole personality.

Viv's is just an unfunny porn addicted tumblrite that should've kept her shitty attempts at art and writing on tumblr and deviantart. Amazon is so bumfuckingly retarded for dropping this much money into Hazbin Hotel as opposed to literally ANY other animated project with way more and better content to work with. If Amazon does drop her ass I hope her entire dogshit show turns into lost media that nobody cares about enough to find and archive.

 

[graywolf88]

Amazon is so bumfuckingly retarded for dropping this much money into Hazbin Hotel as opposed to literally ANY other animated project with way more and way better content to work with

We're talking about the same company that dropped $1 billion on The Rings of Power series. Nothing should surprise you at this point.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

We're talking about the same company that dropped $1 billion on The Rings of Power series. Nothing should surprise you at this point.

Unfortunately we live in a world where there's more than enough people who don't care about good writing and characters who are somewhat intelligent and make sense to prop up these shows.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I just want to add to the stupidity of this scene.

Nobody reacts to Lute throwing her sword within a few inches of Saint Peter's head (Because it's supposed to be funny and you're not supposed to think about it), the episode also seemingly completely forgets that the Exterminations were a big secret and Sera faces no punishment or moral backlash (Especially with redemption being proven so soon possible right after the secret comes out), and of course all this on top of nobody but Lute having any sort of reaction to Adam's death.

This might actually be worse than the scene where it's revealed Blitzo and Stolas knew each other as kids. Because it makes about half a dozen characters, and Heaven as a whole, look extremely fucking stupid even by the standards of this show.

They really did forget the whole "exterminations were kept from everyone in Heaven" plot point. You think more people in the court would bring that up in the leaked episode but no. It's all just focused on Sir Pentious, which while that is important, is not the only thing that should be of concern. Hell, we as the audience still don't know if him dying from Adam's blast is how he got to Heaven in the first place. Which in turn would make the exterminations a good thing? It really does remind me of Helluva Boss when they treated IMP going to Earth as a very big deal that could cause huge consequences for them if they were found out by the higher-ups, but when it actually did happen nothing came from it.

From what's been leaked, it seems the Speaker either didn't know or she let it happen to teach Sera a lesson.
She has a whole duet with Sera where she tells her to forgive herself for being wrong about the exterminations, and she's the one who decides to let Pentious stay in Heaven.

Also in that duet, when Sera asks her for advice on what she should do next, the Speaker of God says some vague bullshit of "follow you heart".

Because the last time Sera did that, it's not like anything bad happened. So yeah, I guess I can't blame Sera fully for all this shit happening. It's also the Speaker of God's fault because a lot of shit wouldn't have happened if she woke up from her nap or whatever she was doing in season 1, and just did her job.

 

[The Nothingness]

Why is she even in Heaven? How did she even get up there? I don't know if Sera knows that Lilith is just chilling at a beach

The leaks just add further plot holes unless they changed things when the later seasons come out

Spoiler: WTF

The Lilith seen at the end of S1 is not actually Lilith, it's Eve disguised as Lilith. The real Lilith is Rosie, who sent Alastor to look after Charlie. How long has Eve been impersonating Lilith? Don't know! Was it Eve, not Lilith, in the flashback with child Charlie? Don't know! Why did Lilith leave her husband and daughter to go into hiding? Who the fuck knows?! Eve is another tragic villain because she gets the blame for eating the forbidden fruit, while Adam doesn't even though he also ate, it because PATRIARCHY or some other "Christianity sucks" *tips fedora* commentary.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Spoiler: Quote

Eve is another tragic villain because she gets the blame for eating the forbidden fruit, while Adam doesn't even though he also ate, it because PATRIARCHY or some other "Christianity sucks" *tips fedora* commentary.

Spoiler: Response

It's been speculated that Adam in the Hellaverse never actually ate the fruit, which is why he got a free pass into Heaven, since it's technically impossible for him to know the difference between good and evil. Of course, since that would actually be an interesting plot point, it's almost guaranteed not to be true.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

It's been speculated that Adam in the Hellaverse never actually ate the fruit, which is why he got a free pass into Heaven, since it's technically impossible for him to know the difference between good and evil. Of course, since that would actually be an interesting plot point, it's almost guaranteed not to be true.

Even if she did use it, she'd find a way to screw it up. For all the fan crap Viv puts in her shows, she really has a knack for almost always choosing the ones that make the shows worse, and when she does use one that has strong potential like Vaggie being an Exorcist, the result is so pathetically half assed (Because much like all of Heaven barring Lute with Adam's death, nobody gives a fuck about this revelation) that it makes one wonder why she made it canon in first place.

 

[Beggamania]

This is probably just a me thing, but I never liked when people painted their faces and bodies to match the skin color of a character. It just looks....off.

Uncanny valley feeling, ikr

 

[Beggamania]

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The leaks just add further plot holes unless they changed things when the later seasons come out

Spoiler: WTF

The Lilith seen at the end of S1 is not actually Lilith, it's Eve disguised as Lilith. The real Lilith is Rosie, who sent Alastor to look after Charlie. How long has Eve been impersonating Lilith? Don't know! Was it Eve, not Lilith, in the flashback with child Charlie? Don't know! Why did Lilith leave her husband and daughter to go into hiding? Who the fuck knows?! Eve is another tragic villain because she gets the blame for eating the forbidden fruit, while Adam doesn't even though he also ate, it because PATRIARCHY or some other "Christianity sucks" *tips fedora* commentary.

Are there any links to them, or all of them were deleted? (Like full episode one, lmfao, nice security there at Spindlehorse). I saw some, but want to see more, if any left of course, it's been awhile.

 

[Beggamania]

A

Are there any links to them, or all of them were deleted? (Like full episode one, lmfao, nice security there at Spindlehorse). I saw some, but want to see more, if any left of course, it's been awhile.

Hmm, ackshually...

Spoiler: ACK, COPYRIGHT JUMPSCARE

https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/s2/s2leaks

LOL, it's been a year, and the archive is still there. To paraphrase one fan of "assesories" from Seattle - "Thanks for not paying your animators, dummy."

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Even if she did use it, she'd find a way to screw it up. For all the fan crap Viv puts in her shows, she really has a knack for almost always choosing the ones that make the shows worse, and when she does use one that has strong potential like Vaggie being an Exorcist, the result is so pathetically half assed (Because much like all of Heaven barring Lute with Adam's death, nobody gives a fuck about this revelation) that it makes one wonder why she made it canon in first place.

As much as I like Pilot Vaggie and her potential, I know that Viv would not write the subject matter around Vaggie well; considering the major hints that Vaggie's death was suicide.

 

[AnOminous]

I am sorry if this has been said before but is Charlie Vivzie's idealized self-insert?

Don't forget loves gay show tunes.

Real Vivz self-insert whether she knows it or not is Deerie. I suspect she does, though.

As much as I like Pilot Vaggie and her potential, I know that Viv would not write the subject matter around Vaggie well; considering the major hints that Vaggie's death was suicide.

My read was she was a murder victim and possibly a prostitute, or possibly a higher grade criminal herself. And look how that turned out (i.e. retarded).