What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[NoReturn]

Elagabalus

Fucking high school freshman goth beliefs about religion as the basis for your empire's belief system. Insane.

This sad parade was what finally prompted me to seriously consider that the official story might not be the truth. Like I said, I don't know what did happen. It is not rational to believe some vast web of actors existed at the time, let alone kept such secrets to the present day. I would not go so far as to say I believe 9/11 was an inside job. I do have questions. I don't expect answers.

Keep in mind you don't need everyone involved to know the whole form of what was going to be accomplished. Even if we were to go 100% in and say "Yes, everything about 9/11 was an inside job." you don't need a vast web of actors, you just need people to break things down into small small pieces where every individual only has one or two tasks they need to accomplish.
Even towards the very top, let's say you're the supervillain behind it all, you could STILL have three of your goons responsible for what happened in NY alone: One goon is told his job is to implement a plan where building 7 of the WTC implodes on 9/11, one goon is told he needs to crash a plane into the north tower on 9/11, and one goon is told his job is to take out the south. All three goons might think their job is the only job to be done that day until it all starts coming together.

 

[Cooked Rabbit]

9/11 is an interest of mine. I think the reason the "let it happen on purpose"/LIHOP stance is more popular than MIHOP ("made it happen on purpose") is primarily due to psychological reasons. Since AE911 was brought up, for instance, their deal is explaining how the NIST explanations (I won't say "model," because NIST won't release the data they used to model WTC7's collapse, because apparently knowing the physical characteristics of an office building would "jeopardize public safety') of the collapses are physically impossible. I'm not sure how it's possible to reconcile their claims with the theory that the attacks were simply "allowed to happen." If you're willing to consider that the towers didn't fall from being hit by aircraft or WTC7 from having some carpets and furniture burn up, then explosives are the only real alternative, and what, the C.I.A., F.B.I, and Larry Silverstein just stood by while al Quaeda/Saudis/Israelis installed explosives in the towers? I don't really think that that makes sense. There had to be American hands moving things.

Incidentally, people in this thread might like reading through the Consensus 9/11 website. They don't make "wild-eyed proclamations;" just provide a list of points in the official 9/11 narrative and explain why they don't add up.

 

[NoReturn]

I've got another thing to add to my "Something happened in the American Southwest" theory. It's not cohesive at the moment, more of a big pot where things that seem related are thrown, but check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKM3KCzyB9U

What if the emergence stories aren't about people coming out of the earth like this:

But like this:

And the stories about people getting to the southwest "through the earth" are about people navigating through these canyons. The surface is a hot, dead, hellscape, but there is life in the canyons themselves.

Also, look! Crickets! Millions of them! Crickets and grasshoppers are similar creatures and could use the same word, so maybe the grasshopper-people (Diné Bahaneʼ - Navajo) are really "cricket people".

 

[neu]

What I do know is that the Pentagon crash smelled off to me from the start. Not something I delved into deeply at the time, not at all, but it just seemed improbable.

It's struck me as kind of odd that, whether it's 9/11 or the pandemic, frequently these events which are described as unthinkable in hindsight were actually closely preceded by some kind of "preparation exercise". Someone might say that they couldn't have anticipated a plane crashing into the Pentagon but, they simulated that exact scenario less than a year before it happened. Sure, there's probably a rational explanation for everything but the frequency at which this sort of thing happens is just interesting to me.

 

[Cooked Rabbit]

It's struck me as kind of odd that, whether it's 9/11 or the pandemic, frequently these events which are described as unthinkable in hindsight were actually closely preceded by some kind of "preparation exercise". Someone might say that they couldn't have anticipated a plane crashing into the Pentagon but, they simulated that exact scenario less than a year before it happened. Sure, there's probably a rational explanation for everything but the frequency at which this sort of thing happens is just interesting to me.

In the case of 9/11, it wasn't just "closely preceded" by a "preparation exercise." Virtually every military aircraft normally stationed on the east coast, minus some national guard planes, were moved to Canada, Alaska, or the American West the day before so that they could simulate drills intercepting hijacked aircraft on 9/11 itself, at the same time those events were actually happening. This was a big part of the reason why the planes that flew into the Twin Towers and Pentagon weren't able to be intercepted. Some of the military chain of command were on their first day on the job, they and others thought the reports of hijacked aircraft were part of the drill, which caused delays sending an actual response, and then every available aircraft was too far away to intercept in time. Communications also randomly became jammed, radar and other military systems showed false information as part of the drills, and orders given at different points in the chain of command apparently randomly weren't followed, even after both towers had been hit, which caused further uncertainty and delays.The New Pearl Harbor goes into this in depth if you're interested, beginning around minute 22.

The Wikipedia article on Able Danger may also be worth reading.

 

[Althalus]

I thought it was given that's what happened anyway, all the clues pointed to it, including joining the Indian tribe that was at Croatoan.

I read into this case ages ago, this is all off memory. But yes, when a ship showed up to resupply the colonists and saw they were missing, there was the word "Croatoan" carved on a tree at the site of the abandoned settlement. But IIRC, there was a storm developing which was why the resupplying ship turned away and didn't sail on to Croatoan Island. Later, there were a number of (unsubstantiated) claims of white people living in Indian territory in mainland North Carolina. One account claimed the existence of two-story houses, another claimed to have seen blond-haired blue-eyed people among a tribe.

The Lumbee Indian Tribe is said by some to be descendants of the Roanoke colonists, because they come from the same region and many have historically had "white" features. But I have no idea if that was ever proven by DNA testing. And whites marrying Indians was not uncommon in the colonial-era South (hence the meme of so many American whites claiming a distant native ancestor), so "white-looking-Indians" is not proof by itself.

 

[Deer Warts]

Virtually every military aircraft normally stationed on the east coast, minus some national guard planes, were moved to Canada, Alaska, or the American West the day before so that they could simulate drills intercepting hijacked aircraft on 9/11 itself, at the same time those events were actually happening.

I know.

On the rare nights when it's not Jonathan Aris, I listen to the NORAD tapes. "Is this real world or exercise?" etc. etc.

I really, really don't want to believe in this conspiracy theory but damn do they make it hard to swallow the official story silently and whole.

 

[AnOminous]

Avi loeb. He’s a nut.
It’d be fun if it was non-natural, it he’s been banging the same drum for a while.

I want to believe.

This is terrible news for those of us with generalized anxiety. Don’t tell me the constant feelings of impending doom are valid and justified warnings from my future guts!

Time is not a straight line or a flat circle, it's something like a cassette tape where it loops around itself, and sometimes, there's something like magnetic bleedthrough, so pieces from the past or future show up in the present.

 

[Althalus]

I don't know if this counts as schizo or not. But I think there do exist beings that feed off emotional "energy" for lack of a better word. The movies "Monsters Inc" and "The Matrix" both reference this same concept in different ways. I think these entities sometimes can "egg on" or push people to do things when said person is in an emotional state that prevents logic. (Anger, sadness, fear).

Building off of this, I think the effect of these beings manifests itself in culture in certain ways. Like the reason why politics becomes so divided and irrational is because these beings egg on both sides to make them more extreme and polarized (like a polarity between the points of a battery).

Sometimes I think extreme ideas even become an egregore in and of themselves.

I think sometimes entire cultures can fall into/be pushed into feeding these idea-egregores. See: Israel/Palestine with extremists on both sides justifying genocide of the other. Northern Ireland with Irish and Ulster-Scots foaming at the mouth wanting to genocide/subjugate each other. 1930s Germany deciding to incarcerate basically everyone that wasn't German and work them to death. The various Communist revolutions around the world that basically devolved into mobs killing anyone who had property/wealth that the mob wanted.

All of the above examples started with real political issues and legitimate disagreements, and I think at least partly because of beings feeding off the "energy" of suffering, is why said events devolved into mindless "us-vs-them" subjugation and killing.

This is also why modern politics is retarded, because it is more about intentionally pissing people off (for both sides) than about actual issues.

 

[Mystery Spy]

I have follow-up evidence supporting my theory that the president answers to a secret elite group. You might remember people in New Jersey complaining about mistery night drones. Some believed they were aliens, others that they were after someone smuggling nuclear material.

But the possibility of aliens isn’t even the most alarming thing. Biden played dumb, and Trump promised full disclosure once elected but only had someone else give a vague statement: “They are ours, and they are for research.”

Trump was asked to reveal who operated the drones. He made what I consider the most damning and revealing slip-up I’ve ever seen. When asked who was manning those drones, he was about to say, “It’s not up to me.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1mjc518/president_trump_says_he_cant_reveal_who_operated/

*Forgive me for linking to Reddit, but it’s the only copy I’ve found.

But wait—Isn’t the president only accountable to “the people”? Isn’t he supposed to be “the most powerful man in the world” and the head of the United States government? He’s the top boss, right? Why exactly isn’t it “up to him”? Then who is it up to, exactly?

 

[Dendyy]

I have follow-up evidence supporting my theory that the president answers to a secret elite group.

You can say "Jews" on this website.

 

[12345]

Hasn't all the news about this and every other asteroid that's potentially an alien invasion been coming from one crackpot scientist who's claimed like the last five or six asteroids or comets we've had pass through been alien ships too? Sounds like he's just trying to get attention and asspats.

Yeah Avi Loeb is a nutter. Either way for me it's the path that it will be taking through our solar system. 3 astronomically close pass-by's 3 planets in our solar system, but when it's closest to us it's going to be hiding behind the sun where we can't look at it from Earth. Even if they weren't estimating it's older than our solar system, the path is enough for me.

It's the fastest thing we've ever recorded. It's too fast to be captured by our Sun. It's the biggest of 3 interstellar objects we've seen. It algins with Earth's orbital plane. which is just weird. Crazy or not though his math says 3I Atlas would have had to enter our solar system about 8k years ago (which is around when they say we started getting together as a species and made societies and stuff.) It's coming from Sagittarius which is a spot we as humans have looked at since we started writing things down: Pillar 43 in Göbekli Tepe points to Sagittarius. Oh but it's from 12k years ago and talks about a global flood and was buried not by time, but by humans. It also has a headless man and writing that has also been found on Easter Island heads... but they also found the same man but with a head this time.

What I'm saying there is plenty to be schizo about 3I Atals without having to pay any attention to Avi Loeb.

Also this just came across my feed.

Summoning @The Mass Shooter Ron Soye because I know he likes UFO sightings, and maybe to explain the whistleblower prediction at the end? (Who he is, what he's done for the people who don't follow both threads?)

 

[General Patton]

I suppose this is a conspiracy, but I believe that writer Dorothy Kilgallen was murdered for writing and investigating about JFK's murder. There's so many sketchy details about her overdose death that doesn't add up.

 

[Jack O'Lantern]

I suppose this is a conspiracy, but I believe that writer Dorothy Kilgallen was murdered for writing and investigating about JFK's murder. There's so many sketchy details about her overdose death that doesn't add up.

Well she was found in the wrong bed, holding a book upside down and still wearing her make-up which she always removed before retiring to bed. There was no trace of the project she'd been working on, which is believed to be about the assassination of JFK, in her home. It's never been found.

She was probably hotshotted to keep her permanently quiet.

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

Started delving into the question of whether Hellen Keller actually wrote the books she is claimed to have written and noticed it's really hard to find discussion on the topic
Most people wondering whether she was "a hoax" are simply asking, or debunking, the notion that she was deaf and blind, which we have pretty good evidence to support, but strangely the jump from that to "oh ok I guess she was legit" never stops at the question of whether or not she actually held the beliefs she did of her own accord and wrote all those books on the matter, and I can't tell when it's people simply misunderstanding the question, and when it's an intentional misdirection
Aka
"I think Hellen Keller was a fake"
"No she was actually deaf and blind"
"But I don't think she wrote those books"
"Dude she was totally deaf and blind"
"I'm talking about the books-"
"Man how much more proof do you need that she was deaf and blind!?"
"...Books?"
"YES, she WAS DEAF and also BLIND, STOP ASKING!"

 

[General Patton]

Well she was found in the wrong bed, holding a book upside down and still wearing her make-up which she always removed before retiring to bed. There was no trace of the project she'd been working on, which is believed to be about the assassination of JFK, in her home. It's never been found.

She was probably hotshotted to keep her permanently quiet.

I also read that a friend that was close to her, that most likely was told details about what she'd investigated, died under mysterious circumstances two days after Dorothy died.

Her missing files is also something I remember reading about as well. I guess she didn't make copies. She said she was going to "break the assassination mystery wide open" and then died a year later. And to this day it's said that her death was some kind of accidental overdose. Bullshit.

And why was her phone being wiretapped?

 

[Cnidarian]

Kabbalah isn't hidden either. You can buy the Zohar in English on Amazon.

Every occult tradition has been phonebooked to hell by free speech and public domain laws and normalized as much as the grifters could attempt. Modern alchemy is also about personal growth instead of spells and experiments. It's not just the fact that you're a weirdo, it's the fact that you misrepresented fringe beliefs as normal and then lied about being fringe at all instead of owning that you're a weirdo. You were deceptive for its own sake with minimum possible payoff and the risk of being known for an objectively bad attribute, lessons against this route are something that you should have learned from your parents, school, and the cartoons on TV. What were you thinking?

 

[Stoneheart]

I suppose this is a conspiracy, but I believe that writer Dorothy Kilgallen was murdered for writing and investigating about JFK's murder. There's so many sketchy details about her overdose death that doesn't add up.

but she was a deepstate actor doing what she was told. why should they kill her?

 

[Otterly]

What is it, like an Erich von Daniken situation and he's trying to shill books or some unknown streaming platform show on the side or what? If he's just a nutbar sperging about ayys, that might be an almost welcome deviation from the norm.

He’s not a loon, he just really really wants it to be ayys, he’s declared other things ayys that weren’t, so a lot of prof who cried wolf

want to believe.

Me too.
There is a lot odd about it. Apparently the tail is spewing out some weird stuff too, wrong ratio of metals or something. Not that I know enough about space rocks to say what that might mean.
If it puts its headlights on and starts braking we can all panic.

 

[Screamer_2]

Started delving into the question of whether Hellen Keller actually wrote the books she is claimed to have written and noticed it's really hard to find discussion on the topic
Most people wondering whether she was "a hoax" are simply asking, or debunking, the notion that she was deaf and blind, which we have pretty good evidence to support, but strangely the jump from that to "oh ok I guess she was legit" never stops at the question of whether or not she actually held the beliefs she did of her own accord and wrote all those books on the matter, and I can't tell when it's people simply misunderstanding the question, and when it's an intentional misdirection
Aka
"I think Hellen Keller was a fake"
"No she was actually deaf and blind"
"But I don't think she wrote those books"
"Dude she was totally deaf and blind"
"I'm talking about the books-"
"Man how much more proof do you need that she was deaf and blind!?"
"...Books?"
"YES, she WAS DEAF and also BLIND, STOP ASKING!"

I think the truth lies somewhere in between.

She was deaf and blind. She did learn to communicate. Yet not to the level or to the achievements prescribed to her. That was done by the facilitators, possibly unknowingly. Where they are communicating for her, but with what limited communication she has. They are interpreting it and expanding upon it. They're speaking on her behalf and generating most of what they are saying Hellen is saying.

She was meant to be able to type with braille. Whatever she wrote then would have gone through her facilitator, who then cleaned it up, rewrote, expanded up and pushed what they though Hellen meant to say or would say. Hellen writing a book about her life and how she learnt to talk. With the help of the person who was with her that whole time, teaching her. Hmmmz

She had only a couple of main facilitators over the years. So they would know everything about Keller and her alleged works. They probably projected a lot onto Keller, which then came out when they were speaking on her behalf.

Questions about if she really wrote her works are met with statements like, "Hellen could answer questions about her works in public, proving authorship."

Ignoring the fact the person communicating the question to Keller and providing her answer was directly involved in Keller writing that book or essay. They would know the essays and what they believe her answers would be.

Even watching some clips of Keller talking, the facilitator seems to me mouthing what Keller is saying. Before restating it in clear English. Keller is clearly not speaking off the cuff and it is rehearsed. Does she even know what the noises she's vocalising even say or is it a parlour trick?

If she could communicate with lots of different people, it would be another story. When the people she is communicating with an producing her works are people intimately close to her for large portions of her life. It certainly makes it very possible what I think went on. Then with fame and attention. I'm sure they lead to pushing things. Political activisim and stuff. Using her as a prop.