Animal Breeding Horror Show - Featuring trendy bulldogs, exotic bullies and the dog cum cartel

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Big Lick trainers don’t care about genetics beyond one thing: will the foal “lick big”? This has led to heavy inbreeding within Walking Horse lines, concentrating not just gait tendencies but also genetic weaknesses. Weak hooves, crooked legs, and mental instability get passed along because “oh well, it makes ‘em step higher.”
Sibling breeding, parent-to-child breeding, every sort of fucked up cross you can imagine is just common occurrence in the Big Lick community. Praised, even.

Just what I always wanted. A mentally unstable 1000+ pound animal.

 

[*distant thrum*]

I can't stress enough how much this is important @Griefer Sonichu, sooooooooooo many fucked up things have been exposed by people who have just enough knowledge and a tangential connection to whatever community, from horses to actual pedophiles. The few times I've been exposed to high lick I just literally didn't have the information to discredit this kind of practice, even going on the gut instinct that it looks wrong and fucked up. Layman are almost always picking the pockets of giants, if you're able to contextualize information in a way that's digestible to outsiders it's almost aways a massive boon.

 

[Elderly beef taco]

You'd be surprised how often horse people will go off the handle if you ever mention how the big lick gait is inhumane.
Most will cry "it's genetic!"
Then again, these are the same fools who will see a team of 4 skin and bone horses running a chuckwagon race and say "it's normal, they have to cut down on the weight so they're faster".
Also, even if it is legal to butcher horses up here, it's very frowned upon by society to even talk about, and horse meat is damn rare; you gotta be in the know and buy it direct if you want it. Which sucks, if you crave the rich taste of Mr. Ed.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

You'd be surprised how often horse people will go off the handle if you ever mention how the big lick gait is inhumane.
Most will cry "it's genetic!"
Then again, these are the same fools who will see a team of 4 skin and bone horses running a chuckwagon race and say "it's normal, they have to cut down on the weight so they're faster".
Also, even if it is legal to butcher horses up here, it's very frowned upon by society to even talk about, and horse meat is damn rare; you gotta be in the know and buy it direct if you want it. Which sucks, if you crave the rich taste of Mr. Ed.

It's funny how eating horse meat is more taboo than starving and torturing horses.

 

[HahaYes]

You'd be surprised how often horse people will go off the handle if you ever mention how the big lick gait is inhumane.

Same with if you point out cruel and inhumane practice in flat racing, steeplechasing (racing over fences) and most modern competition. Specifically speaking on the first two, they are unbelievably cruel industries and they all need to be culled. I lasted less than 3 weeks at a racing barn which I took a job at years ago just to see how bad it was first hand, and I still feel immense guilt over even being there in the first place

One of the core things about racing is how early they start horses, those poor things are backed at 18 months old, to race in GPs and qualifiers when they're 2 year olds. A horses skeleton does not finish properly developing until it is 6 years old, anybody saying the skeleton has maturity at 2 years old is full of shit:


These are BABIES being flogged and forced around a track, they are completely isolated and they are not allowed to even be horses (this also extends to any high level competition horse, 95% of the time they're kept stabled far more than they should be because they're "too valuable" (read: not considered a living, breathing animal anymore over being a money maker), and it's absolutely awful for social development). Every single rescue OTTB I've taken in, the first thing I've done is turned them out for 3 months and barely interacted with them to get all the vile, high energy shit they're fed as racers out of their system, and they're put with older horses for the sole purpose of learning how to even be a horse in the first place, before any other work is done with them to rehabilitate. Anybody who defends the racing industry in any capacity, both horse and greyhound, is either directly involved, financially benefiting or both. Horses do not "love to run" around an oval circle being beaten and yanked around, I hate racing so much it is unreal, and I hate anybody involved in it

 

[Eventide]

You'd be surprised how often horse people will go off the handle if you ever mention how the big lick gait is inhumane.
Most will cry "it's genetic!"

As a crazy horse girl, I'd like to report that at least with the younger generation, soring of Tennessee Walking Horses is considered inhumane/abusive/an abomination. Like, Tennessee Walking Horse culture is dying out/considered weird bumfuckletucky nonsense/not indictive of mainstream horse breeding culture.

 

[Elderly beef taco]

As a crazy horse girl, I'd like to report that at least with the younger generation, soring of Tennessee Walking Horses is considered inhumane/abusive/an abomination. Like, Tennessee Walking Horse culture is dying out/considered weird bumfuckletucky nonsense/not indictive of mainstream horse breeding culture.

That's good to hear. Most horse people out here are old and don't care about animal welfare in the long run.
I have a weird memory of talking about how poorly bred some horse breeds are with a friend once and a brat in a 4H coat corrected me, apparently it's fine and normal for race horses to splinter their legs when running.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

total biglickfag death

 

[Mörkö]

As a crazy horse girl, I'd like to report that at least with the younger generation, soring of Tennessee Walking Horses is considered inhumane/abusive/an abomination. Like, Tennessee Walking Horse culture is dying out/considered weird bumfuckletucky nonsense/not indictive of mainstream horse breeding culture.

This is a huge relief since my brief experience with the gaited show horse world many years ago left me feeling really sketched out. American Saddlebreds are/were also genetic nightmares in many parts of the country. Obvious issues were ignored, genetically unwell horses were still bred for aesthetic purposes. Gross. They're beautiful horses but they're also mistreated to produce a high-stepping gait, similar to TWHs. Also special shoutout to the most pointless horse device, the "bustle set."

Leading up to a show, the horse would sit in its stall with this thing on, sometimes for several days straight, to encourage it to lift its tail during the show. Why are so many horse people huge weirdos?

 

[Scarlet Imperial]

Also special shoutout to the most pointless horse device, the "bustle set."

Leading up to a show, the horse would sit in its stall with this thing on, sometimes for several days straight, to encourage it to lift its tail during the show. Why are so many horse people huge weirdos?

Hey, it's better than sticking a garlic bulb up their ass, which is apparently another thing they do to keep their tails raised.

 

[AnOminous]

Leading up to a show, the horse would sit in its stall with this thing on, sometimes for several days straight, to encourage it to lift its tail during the show. Why are so many horse people huge weirdos?

That's horrible, even if it's relatively minor in the list of cruel bullshit people do to these noble animals.

I know horse people and they love their horses. Even the ones who do things like dressage, which can be cruel, never did any of the bullshit I've seen in this thread. Is this a new development in this culture? I know people who have had horses basically their entire lives since childhood, and they were deeply concerned for them and often had them live 30-35 years.

 

[Bingo Enjoyer]

Damn I thought this thread was gonna be dudes fucking dogs and cats n such

 

[Mörkö]

I know horse people and they love their horses. Even the ones who do things like dressage, which can be cruel, never did any of the bullshit I've seen in this thread. Is this a new development in this culture? I know people who have had horses basically their entire lives since childhood, and they were deeply concerned for them and often had them live 30-35 years.

It’s the show culture specifically that can encourage cruelty, especially for gaited breeds where more exaggerated movements are rewarded. I hate that a common defense for extreme training practices is “if the horse didn’t want to, it wouldn’t do it.” Horses are bred to be extremely trusting of humans and will tolerate a lot of abuse, and it seems like the highest levels of competition are the worst. Very similar to dogs now that I think about it.

But yeah for that same reason, they’re some of the best companion animals and they really do like to work with people. My heart breaks every time I see them trying so hard to give people what they want while being whipped or weighed down by chains

 

[Otterly]

Hey, it's better than sticking a garlic bulb up their ass, which is apparently another thing they do to keep their tails raised.

This is where the word gingerly comes from. They used to stick a bit of peeled ginger (‘gingering’) up their bum to make them do certain things.
People who abuse animals have no souls

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

This is where the word gingerly comes from

and now I know

the rest of the story!
good day?

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

This is where the word gingerly comes from. They used to stick a bit of peeled ginger (‘gingering’) up their bum to make them do certain things.
People who abuse animals have no souls

And now people do it to each other, because in the 21st century the Internet has persuaded us that Cenobite and Slaaneshi cultist are valid sexual orientations. Google 'figging'.

 

[Otterly]

Google 'figging'.

I’m fresh out of smelling salts, so I shall take your word for it …
Make shame great again, etc.

 

[Eventide]

(Sorry, I originally made this reply days ago, but I just noticed my comment had got eaten by forum update glitches/never went through)

This is a huge relief since my brief experience with the gaited show horse world many years ago left me feeling really sketched out. American Saddlebreds are/were also genetic nightmares in many parts of the country. Obvious issues were ignored, genetically unwell horses were still bred for aesthetic purposes. Gross. They're beautiful horses but they're also mistreated to produce a high-stepping gait, similar to TWHs. Also special shoutout to the most pointless horse device, the "bustle set."

There's been a big push to clean up the horse world/do away with cruel old fashioned practices over the past 3 or so years. There was a few mainstream exposé's during the pandemic that put a spotlight on a lot of the sketchy breeding practices, along with social media raising normal folks' awareness of it. For example, soring of hooves (the Kentucky Walking Horse gait training practice of intentionally burning a horses' hooves with chemicals/acids) was officially banned by the USDA this past February.

Why are so many horse people huge weirdos?

I always suspected the horse hobby attracts a lot of sadists who enjoy the power trip of having control over a large (highly intelligent, emotional) animal. A lot of non-horse folks fail to realize that horses are very intelligent & have personalities (& in my experience, they're more intelligent than your average dogs). So, think like the weirdos who have giant intimidating violent dog breeds as an ego boost, than times that by a thousand.

To break a horse (i.e. train a horse to be rideable), you can either bond with the horse so it trusts you/lets you saddle & ride them, or intimidate them/break their spirit (hence, the term breaking) so they do what you command out of fear. Old fashioned horse breaking techniques (which are frowned upon today/generally not used) are pretty messed up. In fact, a lot of trainers prefer to use the term "start a horse" when they train horses to be saddled, just to separate what they do from the old crueler methods.

Aside from sadists, the other people the horse hobby attracts are people on the spectrum. My late grandfather taught me about horses. Autism wasn't really diagnosed much in the olden days, but in hindsight he was most likely on the spectrum. He loved animals & was very skilled at bonding & working with difficult horse, but he was awkward in social situations/with people. Working with horses is generally a low people interaction hobby/career.

That's good to hear. Most horse people out here are old and don't care about animal welfare in the long run.
I have a weird memory of talking about how poorly bred some horse breeds are with a friend once and a brat in a 4H coat corrected me, apparently it's fine and normal for race horses to splinter their legs when running.

Well, it's not fine (the horse most likely has a fatal injury & will have to get put down) but it's a real thing. Thoroughbreds, the breed of horses most commonly used in American horseracing, ironically have a genetic predisposition to stress fractures of their bones. I think a genetic study recently traced it to a few specific racing bloodlines.

Personal experience: Thoroughbreds are dumb/crazy and prone to severely injuring themselves in empty fields (I knew someone whose Thoroughbred died after running headfirst into a steer. Like, she witnessed it happen, or else she would have assumed the steer mauled her horse).

 

[Paper Machete]

What always gets me is how little money has to be going through this shit so you can't really use it as an excuse as to what is incentivizing them? It's really difficult to make money off horses. Very. It's why it's expensive. Because it's something you SPEND money on, not make. Gaited breeds in aggregate are a very small slice of the horse world pie so there isn't much money or attention to be gotten to where you'd think someone would then be tempted to take the wrong path. Except for a handful of horse sports and a handful of people in them most everyone is barely breaking even, if that, and most of them do not actually have much money because it's all tied up in the horses or they're just crafty enough to make it work.

Tradition isn't an excuse for what they do but I think it's a legit reason why they're into it in the first place because I don't get why anyone would be drawn to it and most anyone I ever met didn't know it existed. Generally the gaited world and the non gaited world don't have much overlap unless you go trail riding and meet other people there using those breeds.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

I’m fresh out of smelling salts, so I shall take your word for it …
Make shame great again, etc.

My pleasure, a horror shared is a horror halved

Jerking off a retarded, barely viable shitbull is one thing, but who among you would pass up the chance to wank off a whale?

They be freeing that willy