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Well, there is somethings going on with Foxler right now it seems, at least from checking out his Wikifur.
If you look at this, it appears that there has been a lot of fuckery going on with his wikifur, particularly between 7 and 8AM on the 24th.
Someone from the IP 173.160.58.117 blanked the page. When you search the IP, this comes up
Colorado Springs is about an hour from Fort Collins, so it is possible that this was Foxler trying to bawleet. There is more evidence to support this if you look at his wikifur talk page.
Foxler is asking for a "personal exclusion" from having his info included on Wikifur because he was doxed p bad on there with links to him being a disgusting degenerate with dogs and underage people. Fuck him though lol
The author of the Foxler article and someone else chimed in to OBJECT! and it seems that the OBJECTION! was accepted and the article stands. Even if they take it down we have it archived now lol
FOXLER HIMSELF goes onto wikifur to OBJECT! to the OBJECTION! of the author.
tl;dr, Foxler got doxed on wikifur and even the softfurs that run that site told him to fuck off when he asked that they change his info.
This takes us to yesterday and the video in this post. Foxler is on the warpath and apparently thinks it was Deo who doxed him. At first he went DFE and nuked his twitter, but he brought his twitter back up when he realized he's knotted, to use parlance he is familiar with. So he went ahead and grabbed some old dox that /pol/ did on Deo a while back and then made a video bragging about it shortly after.
So, I've been dabbling in video archiving and downloading today. I downloaded and converted the three videos on Foxler. Then I created a YouTube channel to serve as a repository of videos I come across and download. I've uploaded several videos with useful descriptions and tags, and placed them in a special playlist. I uploaded them to another site as an additional layer of defense.
Also, I compared the voice in the first two videos. It's difficult to properly compare them because of factors that distort or degrade his voice, but it seems to me that the same person is speaking in both videos. This would mean the 1st video is completely authentic and is just one more substantial thing to use against him.
Oh, I tweaked the Telegram channel descriptions, and have expanded the Foxler Highlights channel's purpose to include critical posts and contributions in this thread. I submitted a few of this thread's posts' URLs to it. I also uploaded the aforementioned 3 videos. So there is yet another repository of information to plague him.
Fucking moron. He only attracted massive attention to the information on it and himself in general in an inconsequential attack which was about guaranteed to fail. AND we now know what his IP address is. I find it difficult to believe him in the video where he brags about deliberately trolling his enemies by deactivating his Twitter (though his enemies are retarded as well for being so aggressively jubilant about it immediately).
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but, I believe he quite cavalierly submitted all of that information himself online. Ultimately, he willingly doxed himself. He only started disliking it being in public knowledge when people started mobilizing against him.
The fact he morally distances himself from this by emphasizing he only is broadcasting the work of other people is absolutely marvelous. He's morally on par with those who doxed Deo, only he has fewer bragging rights because he didn't obtain it first. It also diminishes the aversion people may have to openly promoting his information since it would just be reciprocal at this point.
The Streisand Effect is so consistent and gratifying. Hopefully that will be fixed up and expanded. Hopefully someone will write a Lolcow.wiki article on him to add yet another source of intel.
I haven't observed substantial animosity from furries towards bronies. The two subcultures cooperate and comingle quite often. If there's any sizable level of animosity, I'd surmise it would be from bronies against furries because furries are the grandmasters of R34 and probably provide most of the clop porn. Bronydom is nowhere nearly as sexualized as furrydom.
Either way, blanket animosity is exceptional. Live and let live.
Autism manifests in many ways. There are some autistic people who are pants-on-head exceptional when they write. Some autistic people are extremely proficient in the written medium but may have benign quirks (those come out more when I write elsewhere). I am autistic and I believe it actually is a substantial positive factor in my analytical and written communications capabilities. Autism confers benefits as well as deficits.
Depends. Some autistic people do well in one medium but badly in the other. Or well in both or badly in both. I'm extremely proficient in the written medium. I do not feel nearly as confident in verbal communications. I become overheated and struggle to respond in some circumstances, especially when I'm confused or I abruptly change mental direction. I don't come across as exceptional or very awkward when talking, but I definitely feel it's much harder and more stressful. It's like a CPU becoming hot from high demand on its resources. I'll always have that limitation.
LOL dude you were doing remarkably well, all things considered, when you were just posting informative details on this guy and other lolcows. Stick to that instead of this.
The wikifur article is more informative than insulting. It's amusing to me that Foxler can't handle having his personal info posted- by making a big deal of it he's practically asking for people to look into his history.
Dumb follower of Foxler claims the posts used against him in this thread don't have enough context. Kiwi Farms isn't as reliable as Encylopedia Dramatica (I wonder what he'll think now that he's got an ED).
There has been about 300 messages posted in the RMFCDiscussion group since the last update. I've forwarded them to the master archive. Because Foxler and FR are major factors in the RMFC debacle, and RMFC's leadership stuck up for him, much of this post will pertain to another furry.
Sorin Interview
Dogpatch Press did an interview with the chairman of RMFC, Sorin.
He asserted that while the board members regret the decision now, at the time they felt that fucking insane C&D letter (original Tweet | Archive.is | TweetSave) Kahuki sent (he's the CEO of the parent organization of RMFC) was a reasonable maneuver.
Sorin said:
The sending of the C&D letter is a very hot topic right now, but something that I feel the convention could have worked out – if it had not been a matter of also dealing with a loss of venue, and the increasingly aggressive and violently-worded conflict within the local furry community, and really the community at large. Hindsight being what it is, I can say that the C&D was a mistake, both how it was drafted and the fact that it was drafted at all. It was at the time what the board thought was a reasonable action to a situation and culture we just were not prepared to handle. I can see now that that was not the issue, and the C&D was directed rather hastily at the wrong focus.
Further down he elaborated on the precise motivation for the C&D.
Sorin said:
The C&D was in response to the escalated violence and the increased security. It was an attempt by the board (and a short-sighted one) to try and show that we were addressing security concerns, in hopes that the hotel would rescind it’s cost requirements.
No, I don’t think so. I feel that anything more we could have done would have set a bad precedent for the convention, and would have led to its demise in the long run anyways.
He believes the enemies of Foxler would not have been satisfied if he was banned, didn't give the idea much thought despite the huge furors going on.
Sorin said:
As for if I wanted to ban Foxler, I really have not given it much thought. I did not think it would actually resolve anything, since the people that wanted him banned would focus on another target, and beyond that I was so busy trying to keep the convention together that I really did not give it more thought than that.
I really try not to think about them, or interact with them or their members right now. I think that whatever it was they set out to do originally has been corrupted by a handful of bad apples, and if they really wanted to do something for the community, they would bow out gracefully.
Sorin believes that only "social politics" caused the demise of RMFC.
Sorin said:
I’m sorry that the state of the convention had to come to this, and I’m sorry that social politics caused the end of what was once a great staple of the Colorado Furry Community.
Deo's Twitter thread (archive.is) containing the video where Foxler confesses to attempting to join a neo-nazi group, and the assertion (TweetSave) he assaulted someone at Foxtrot.
I plan to approach Dogpatch Press in the near term with links to the most impactful posts of this thread, and the evidence and knowledge I have. Hopefully they will assist in proliferating the knowledge recorded in this thread and elsewhere. I also plan to contact people involved with the Telegram group to enlist their assistance. I hope to start this within one week.
Foxler's Recent Telegram Posts
I went through the recent influx and scanned just for Foxler's remarks. I'll scrutinize everything else later. There were a few remarkable comments from him which were transferred to the Highlights archive.
I just finished downloading and uploading all of Foxler's videos from his channel. Each of the submissions in my YouTube video archive have links to the original and another backup in the descriptions. All but one or two now are double archived, plus one more if Telegram is counted.
The standard tags for all are "Foxler", "Lee Allen Miller", and "Nazifur", and additional ones were used when appropriate. I entertained myself a bit with tagging: a few have "Nazifurs Fuck off", and one has "Punch a Nazi". I tagged the one of his husky "Zoophilia" since he freely and obnoxiously admitted to it repeatedly.
I just finished downloading and uploading all of Foxler's videos from his channel. Each of the submissions in my YouTube video archive have links to the original and another backup in the descriptions. All but one or two now are double archived, plus one more if Telegram is counted.
The standard tags for all are "Foxler", "Lee Allen Miller", and "Nazifur", and additional ones were used when appropriate. I entertained myself a bit with tagging: a few have "Nazifurs Fuck off", and one has "Punch a Nazi". I tagged the one of his husky "Zoophilia" since he freely and obnoxiously admitted to it repeatedly.
If you wanna do what I do to save time (and to fuck with them a bit) is download all the videos and upload them all to like box. After that, when they lock down they may say "HAHA you cant get them now", then you reply "lolno", then when they DMCA, you create an archive of them on lolcow wiki.
Foxler smells like shit covered in shit in fursuit. He is a known "murrsuiter" as if his autism couldn't get worse. Doesn't clean his suit after fucking in it which is why it is so ratty. Kody his boyfriend is one too. They go around to meets in these things & then stand in corners together like freaks, talking to no one (I have had the misfortune of being @ meets with them). Foxler can't handle the fact that Kody is black (he has said so in multiple interviews - http://www.newstatesman.com/science...-reich-truth-about-nazi-furries-and-alt-right) & a male so he forces him to wear the suit when they fuck.
"Although I initially found nothing, some other furries - who are against Nazi furries - message me some screenshots of comments they claim Foxler has made on YouTube, in which he says "I hate black people" and "I stand by Hitler". "
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I ask him, does he hate black people?
"Their [sic] two parts to that one, in my normal day life not at all," he says."But in my personal sexual life 'I don't like any race', which means I wouldn't sleep with black man [sic]. Now my boyfriend is mix black/asian. I sleep with him just fine, when I was young I use [sic] to be anti-gay. So why the change? It's because he [sic] not a 'human'; to me when I look at him. He [sic] a blue wolf."
I did some digging and found a blog post Spikester, the social media manager for RMFC, defending Foxler and the Furry Raiders as good boys who dindu Nazi. The post was made back in January and has since been deleted but thankfully someone saved it before it was taken down. https://web.archive.org/web/2017012...01/im-sick-of-this-crap-so-im-saying.html?m=1
Tuesday, January 3, 2017 I'm Sick of this Crap, so I'm Saying Something....
I am writing this today to get a few things off of my mind that have been bothering me for almost a full year now.
For those of you who do not know, I am the Social Media Manager for Rocky Mountain Fur Con. My responsibility is our web presence and being the ambassador of the public face of our convention via our Social Media outlets (Twitter, Facebook, FurAffinity, Google+, Telegram, etc.). I have been in this position for two years now, and I continue to love it to this day.
Early this year, it was announced that Rocky Mountain Fur Con was not going to be held at the Marriott in the Denver Tech Center because they were going through renovations that forced us to relocate to a temporary home for the 2016 convention year. The con chose the Crowne Plaza near DIA because of the large amount of convention space, but the hotel did not have enough rooms in proportion to that space. As the staff member in charge of Social Media, I was given the reservation link a couple days in advance so I could craft the announcement to post on Facebook, Twitter, FurAffinity, etc.. The post was scheduled to go live simultaneously on all of our sites with the exception of FA because they do not allow future dating of posts.
Shortly after the announcement was made live, the room block had sold out, as expected. I learned shortly after the sellout that a group known as the Furry Raiders had bought nearly half of the blocked rooms either during the open time or shortly before it and that it was handled between their groups leader and the Crowne Plaza. I was told to announce what happened by my Director and of course, kept in the loop about any further developments. When I was given the information to post, I voiced my concern that it would cause unnecessary backlash and a PR nightmare for years to come because of the penchant furries have to perpetuate drama. I felt the issue would be best handled internally, but ultimately I was shot down.
After I made the announcement of what happened, social media of course blew up with a lot of, for lack of a better term, drama. Most of it was centered around the so-called leader of the Furry Raiders, Foxler Nightfire, and certain things he had posted on other sites around 3-4 years ago that put into question his personal beliefs and ideologies. I suspect nobody who posted such criticisms ever bothered to actually talk to Foxler or get to know him, but that is not for me to say whether or not that happened. There were also many responses thanking the con for handling the situation, but there was a lot of negativity going around. Without knowing the full circumstances of what happened, I was unable to handle many of the questions that were directed my way and had to forward them up the chain. There were a couple of instances where my temper got the best of me and I was not exactly professional on the Conventions public Twitter account in response to certain people. For that, I have and do once again apologize.
While the higher-ups were investigating the situation and trying to come to a resolution, I took it upon myself to do something that most of the perpetuators of the drama have not done. I reached out to Foxler in an unofficial capacity and got to know him. During the very long conversation we had, we talked about each other, we discussed some of the things that were shared to RMFC, and we discussed the Furry Raiders. He detailed the groups history and his vision for the future of it. Among the details of that were that the group itself was very disorganized and had a very de-centralized presence, mainly across social media. I provided him some tips on getting the true image of the group out there via the web because the de-centralized nature of it was what was partially causing the drama. Foxler and other members of the group had many MORE examples of the positive things they have done throughout the fandom than the negative things that were said about them, so I felt that it was important for them to get those things out there.
Shortly after my conversation with Foxler, the Furry Raiders released many of the rooms they had reserved so that the conventions attendees could use them. They also gave out some of the reservations to attendees who were not members of the Furry Raiders group. One would think that this would be a step to end the drama, but unfortunately it did not. The accusations of the group being Nazi-Furs, Anti-LGBT, Anti-Trans, among others continued all the way up to RMFC 2016. There were legitimate concerns that there would be trouble at the con and I believe to this day that it had an effect on our overall attendance. It is sad to see how much fear can motivate people to either do something or avoid enjoying themselves.
Despite the fears, the convention did not ban any of the group from attending. We knew all about the drama, and we even had staff members who are a part of the group. Shortly before the convention began, Foxler had created business cards for the group and also unveiled their new website. RMFC staff were given copies of the cards as well. During the convention, someone thought it would be a good idea to create fake business cards to harm the groups image and spread them around the convention space. Since we had copies of the real ones, this was quickly handled, though I was once again mocked on the conventions Twitter account for not detailing exactly how the situation was handled.
Heres something you all need to know and accept.despite all the information we as a people have access to, you do not have a need-to-know exactly how a situation is or was being handled. As a private organization, RMFC has a right not to disclose that information. Before the days of social networking, most folks would be fine with accepting a solution as long as there were visible results of it.
As the convention continued, there were very little problems with the Furry Raiders, but some people did bring up concerns and as a result, the group was asked by our Directors on Sunday to remove their armbands, which they did without protest or issue. Despite all the pre-convention drama and fear, there was little or nothing to really be concerned about at the actual convention, but the fear did the damage.
I will let everyone know right now that yes, I am a staff member on the management level at RMFC. I also support the members of the Furry Raiders. The reality you must face is that your words have very little influence on me. Im nearly 36 years old and have done things in my life that most of you would not do or would be afraid to do. I also dont care what you think. I, and others, have fought for my right to have my opinions.
Even as I write this, the drama continues because people dont have the sense to either do a little research or find out the true facts. This is where I decided to step in and let out a few bits of knowledge. Below are the myths and true facts of the myths.
Myth: The Furry Raiders are Neo-Nazis
Fact: The Furry Raiders are NOT Neo-Nazis. The group is a small organization of friends from Colorado and all parts of the world. One member is a re-enactor of German and Russian WWII battles, but has no leanings toward Nazism.
Myth: Foxler is a combination of Fox and Hitler.
Fact: Foxlers name is a combination of his fursona (Corsac Fox) and his real-life last name (Miller). A simple search would confirm this information.
Myth: Foxler is a white-supremacist Neo-Nazi
Fact: Foxler is not even 100% White. His heritage is German and Thai. One of the requirements of being a white supremacist is that you have to be white.
Myth: Foxler and the Furry Raiders are Anti-LGBT
Fact: Most of the members of the Furry Raiders are LGBT. Foxler is himself gay and mated to a gay man.
Myth: Foxler and the Furry Raiders are Racist
Fact: The membership of the group is of multiple races and ethnic backgrounds. As said before, Foxlers heritage is German/Thai and he is mated to a black man.
Myth: The Furry Raider Armbands are Nazist
Fact: A paw print has never ever been used as a Nazi symbol. The Nazi symbol is a swastika, which before the formation of the party, was a symbol of prosperity and good fortune. The fact that the Furry Raiders use a black paw print against a white circle on a red band is purely coincidental. There is a lot more to Nazism than a symbol. You should probably use the extra energy to do a little research.
Also worth noting, not all the members wear a red armband. Several have different color armbands and some wear the paw print on other articles of clothing.
Myth: The Furry Raiders are new to RMFC
Fact: FR is not new to the convention. Some of their members have attended the convention since it began in 2007 and until they do something that merits them being banned, will continue to do so. The group has at least 4 members who are on staff at RMFC and are completely professional and competent in their positions.
Myth: Furry Raider members cause trouble at fur-meets.
Fact: Aside from a minor incident at FoxTrot that was over-perpetuated by the FoxTrot organizer, the Raiders have not caused problems at any fur meet or gathering. They have been present at several instances of Paws at Pearl in Boulder with no issues. They have also been to Sprocket & Grizdogs charity fur bowl in Colorado Springs, also with no issue. In fact, at the most recent fur bowl, the charity raffle prizes were donated by Foxler. Since the events of the RMFC room block, their name was blamed for the 2014 gas attack at Midwest FurFest (later disproven) as well as blamed for the fast sellout of the 2016 MFF room block (also disproven). Lets be realistic. That room block sold quick because (A) MFF does not require a first-night deposit for rooms and (B) The convention grew from 5600 attendees to 7075 this year. Most of the drama at conventions and furmeets has been shown to be caused by people who think it is fun to try to harm a person or groups image.
Myth: There is a photo of Foxler giving the Nazi salute.
Fact: This is partially true. Upon request for a photo of his suit, Foxler did submit such a photo. However, the hand salute used was not just used by the Nazi party. The salute is called the Bellamy Salute and prior to WWII, it was used during the American Pledge of Allegiance. It was only after the Nazi Party started using it that it was replaced with the current hand-over-heart salute. The main difference between the two is that the Nazi Party salute has the palm of the hand facing outward while the Bellamy salute has the arm, hand and palm all aligned straight.
The conclusion to all of this is such: The Furry Fandom is a community of acceptance and diversity, but lately, the members of it only want people in it who are just like them politically correct crusaders for social justice and equality for everyone. If someone or a group within the community has opinions or ideas that are not part of the community as a whole, they become outcasts. If this behavior continues, this community will fall. The reality is that there is no such thing as a utopia as long as the human race exists. It is human nature to have an Us versus Them mentality. If you are not Us, you are Them.
The group is mainly a bunch of furries who are still furries, but for one reason or another, were determined to be outcasts of the furry fandom. To put it simply, furries created the group, and furries are responsible for the groups growth. What does that say about a fandom whose core belief is acceptance of all regardless of who they are or what they believe that we would discard members of our own fandom because they have different beliefs that dont mesh with todays politically correct social justice culture?
The Furry Raiders are not going anywhere, no matter what you or I do. However, it has been proven that they are not the cancer that many in the Fandom have made them out to be. Once you accept that and move on with things that are more important in your life, it will be better for you and better for them. Have a nice day!
Gems from this post include Spikester insisting the FR's armband design being nearly identical to the Nazi armband is "purely coincidental" and that Foxler's Nazi salute was not actually a Nazi salute because a similar salute was used for the American Pledge of Allegiance before WWII. Several of his points had already been disproved months before he wrote this. Spikester is either a re'tard who will believe anything he's told or he's buddy-buddy with Foxler/other FR members. Or both.
This may be off topic since it doesn't involve Foxler, but this journal has lead to an interesting string of events over the past couple of weeks that suggest Scorch may be rubbing elbows with one of the bigger names in the furry fandom.
April 14th:
Scorch posts the journal to FA. The journal violates FA's Code of Conduct.
1.6 Do not harass others.
This includes discussing personal quarrels and calling out, flaming, airing, bullying other users, and evading any block a user has put into place, such as using an alternate account or commenting at the user, but excludes civil discussion about topics of public interest such as celebrities, or government officials. Mob tactics may be met with harsher consequences. Also do not contact users whom you have blocked. In other words...
Do not harass, call out, bully, or have unwanted public discussions about other users. Likewise, if you blocked someone, avoid talking to or about them.
April 19th:
11:45 PM Simon's report finally gets a response. Staff member tells him that FA "does not accept third-party reports concerning Code of Conduct issues" but they will look into it anyway because FA staff can't be bothered to have rules that make sense or are universally enforced.
April 20th:
9:05 PM Simon Fox posts exchange between him and the staff member to Twitter.
So Scorch was banned for less than 24 hours, possibly as few as 3 or 4 hours. According to the Code of Conduct rules a suspension should last for at least a day. What gives?
Well it turns out Scorch may have an in with Dragoneer. The evidence is a little flimsy but there is enough to create suspicion. Dragoneer has posted on at least one of Scorch's rambling SovCit journals, there are accusations that he's chatted with Scorch over other journals that have been deleted. He also follows Scorch on FA, which is odd considering Scorch mainly posts his weird energy experiments, cars, and journals that take weeks to read. And yesterday, about a week after his blink-and-you'll-miss-it ban was over, he posted a journal praising Dragoneer and saying how great FA is. Dragoneer commented on the journal thanking him.
To Honor, Respect and Support the Great Vessel Furaffinity and Our Captain Dragoneer
Hello all.
A thought occurred to me so check this out-
I consider it to be my personal Duty to Honor, Respect and Support our Great Vessel of Furaffinity, its Captain Dragoneer and his crew who all work so very hard to maintain the stability and integrity of this good Vessel.
The law of Vessels DOES apply.
Think about it.
The term vessel merely means a container that contains something else and there are literally many vessels within vessels.
For example:
The Vessel "solar system" contains the Vessel "Earth" which is a Vessel traveling through the fabric and energy of space and it (Vessel Earth) also contains MANY other vessels including biological Vessels such as the Human body which is ALSO a Vessel containing many other vessels such as blood vessels, organs and even energy systems such as the "spark of life" and of course; the "personality".
And the personality of each Biological vessel is basically the "Captain" of that vessel who only pilots that vessel for the duration because once that vessel fails then it simply returns back to the Earth from which it came. And since energy is never destroyed and only converted from one form to another, the personality or "spark of life" simply "passes on" after it is done using the Vessel which is merely a part of the Earth that belongs to the Earth.
This is what is meant by "our Earthly Estate".
It is merely a piece of the Earth in which we TRUST or in a broader since, a piece of star dust from the ORIGINAL Creation of the universe.
And Captain personality merely POSSESSES the biological Vessel for the duration then returns it back to the earth when he is done with it and passes on.
SO; think about it.
We free willed beings are also capable of CREATION such as building our own vessels and our vessels can be in MANY forms such as a boat, automobile or house. These are vessels that also contain other vessels such as a water tank or the human vessel.
And yes, even our documents are also vessels that contain our words.
So; be VERY careful how you create, populate and pilot these VERY powerful vessels as your POWER of your pen is far greater than any sword.
And this INCLUDES not only your power to create but also your power to DESTROY including the possibility of destroying other people's vessels with mere words such as a threat issued without forethought that could easilydestroy other vessels that many others have created at great effort and expense. . .
So consider the reality of the law of vessels.
This is common sense logic in consideration of the law of vessels and how it applies to pretty much everything we say, write and do in life such as this short, real life story about the creation of the great vessel called "FURAFFINITY"
Once upon a time, in a not so distant place along came the Creator who was happily piloting his biological vessel through the rough seas of "life" in which all biological vessels are piloted by individual personal Captains trying very hard not to bump into each other or cause damages directly or indirectly.
Then one day, the Creator decided to create a NEW vessel for his own benefit and the benefit of many others such as myself.
He worked long and hard and eventually built the original framework and hull and he named his new vessel "Furaffinity".
He built this great new vessel because he KNEW that if he built it well enough and strong enough, they would come from distant lands from all around the world to cooperate and benefit from what he had built and he would also benefit merely from the happiness and pleasure one derives merely from creating something new from nothing and GIVING to others.
And or course, in the beginning, the new vessel being a very complicated vessel was a little weak here and there and needed to have some bugs worked out and undergo some trials and breaking in the new crew and whatnot but over time, the vessel Furaffinity grew to be a very strong and worthy vessel with a good crew and this vessel eventually had Captain Dragoneer at the helm for the benefit of all. Yay! He did it! They ALL did it.
And of course the Captain's desire and ultimate goal is to ALWAYS maintain the integrity and worthiness of the vessel for the ultimate good of the passengers and cargo.
The Vessel is "job priority one" ABOVE all else BECAUSE if the vessel FAILS then ALL is lost!
This is something that Hollywood has been trying to teach us for decades and star trek is a fine example of this.
Sometimes the Captain and Crew MUST sacrifice a part of the vessel, passengers, crew or cargo in order to maintain and "Save the Ship" as was the case when Spock declared "Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" which is the complete OPPOSITE of individual rights.
This is a law maxim. This is logic that can NOT be avoided in the law of vessels in which the integrity of the vessel is ALWAYS top priority.
In other words; the law of vessels is basically a democracy in which the majority can in fact decide to sacrifice a few in the best interest of the majority and the majority can also rely on their elected leader or "Captain" of the vessel to suffer this burden.
As opposed to the law of the LAND instead of the Law of Vessels.
Under the law of the land; all individuals are created equal and should they choose to do so; they can simply live on the land and in a republic in which they can NOT be sacrificed just because mob rule or the Captain decrees it.
Of course the law of vessels can in fact be the law of the land. Just depends on which side of the line you operate on.
In the US; this actually is a choice to CHOOSE between pledging an allegiance to a republic (law of land) or a democracy (law of vessels) but that is entirely another discussion altogether involving such things as "founding fathers" who fought a war of independence to return the power of the Sovereign King of England back to the people and actually OUTLAWED titles of nobility such as "Esquire", "King" or "Citizen" as these are all merely "Manager's titles" in an UNEQUAL "pecking order" so to speak just as we have in the law of vessels such as maritime admiralty law and a "chain of command".
This is what one of the issues the war of Independence was all about. In addition to banking issues in which the people did owe the king, the people wanted to return back to the law of the land instead continuing to be subject-citizens of the King of England...
At any rate, here I am now. A Captain of my vessels within other vessels such as this great vessel of FURAFFINITY.
I am merely one of the passengers of this great vessel with Captain Dragoneer at its helm as a fellow Captain, I do have great respect for my fellow Captains including Captain Dragoneer and of course his great vessel of FURAFFINITY which is FAR superior to any vessel I ever built.
It was built to be VERY strong and safe for its passenger-users and many have in fact come to also be passengers and there has even been outside help in the form of commercial interests interested in maintaining and supporting this great vessel for the benefit of all including profits.
And even IF a Captain is not an owner of his vessel, he is still the ULTIMATE LAW of the vessel and shall be honored and respected as such!
And his job is very difficult indeed therefore it is in my own best interest as well as the interest of all other passengers, cargo and crew to ENSURE the Captain is able to do his job accordingly.
Whatever WE can do to help our Captain and CoOperate with our Captain is most certainly in the best interest for the BENEFIT of all.
Just my thoughts of the day anyway and to my good Captain Dragoneer-
If there is ever ANY thing more I can do (in addition to things I have done in the past such as donations) to help maintain the integrity of your great vessel and help make your job easier then; your order is my command in the best interest of maintaining this vessel including all the other vessels within this vessel such as my "user".
We are ALL Captains of our vessels including many vessels we did NOT create and do NOT own.
I know it's been discussed already, but according to Foxler: grown men watching a little girl's cartoon is a lot more appalling than fucking dogs, grooming young teenagers, fursuit fucking, hit and runs, and (wannabe) Nazism.
I noticed he follows a couple of pony avatar'd users, so I guess like with everything else, he isn't very consistent
I know it's been discussed already, but according to Foxler: grown men watching a little girl's cartoon is a lot more appalling than fucking dogs, grooming young teenagers, fursuit fucking, hit and runs, and (wannabe) Nazism.
I noticed he follows a couple of pony avatar'd users, so I guess like with everything else, he isn't very consistent
Yeah because going to /baphomet/ always works out well, just ask Vordrak.
I just looked over on /baphomet/ and he doxed 3 furs over there. By doxed I mean he posed their name, a couple screen names a pic and a city where they live.
Deo notifies Dragoneer of the offending journal over Twitter. True to form he does nothing.
