SJW Art and Extremes
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Jacques1194
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X coding characters never made sense unless you believe the writers for a show are deliberately putting hidden messages into shows to go "This character is X but we can't admit it". The worse imo is "queer coding". We live in a time where its perfectly ok for writers to put gay characters into media and yet I still see people insisting "This character is queer coded" when there's 0 reason for media to do this. Especially if said show already has gay characters on it. Going to use the example I always use. South Park has around 8 canon gay characters in the show, and yet I still see people going "Stan is gay for Kyle. His character sheet saying he's straight is just proof that hes battling heteronormativity" or I've seen people insisting that Heidi is a lesbian because her hat has the lesbian flag's colors" (it doesn't) and its bizarre. Why the fuck would Trey and Matt hide Stan being bi or secretly gay if these are the same guys that made Creek canon and has 6 other gay characters on it? Yet you insist Stan looking at Kyle funny or the fact that he doesn't want to lose his friend must me Trey and Matt are sending hidden messages that he's secretly queer? What would even be the point to this? Only argument I hear is "Well, gay people don't have much rep in media, so they usually find characters they relate to and want to see themselves in said character" which I always felt was narcissistic. You have 8 canon gay characters but you can't relate to them? The character you relate to has to be gay in order for you to like them?Today it’s used by them to limit other people’s creative freedom online. If you draw something like Jack Frost x Elsa (Jelsa) you would be harassed because Elsa is lesbian coded or whatever. And “x-coded” lost all its meaning because sjws think that any character that struggles with feeling isolated from society or hiding something like mental illness, identity, or ailment (rumi from kpdh they say is queer-coded) are blaaaccckkkkk or gaaayyyyy. It shows that they are just self centered orbecause they can’t put themselves in other people’s shoes around the and have to head-cannon a character to be just like them in order to empathize with them.
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That reminds me of something I forgot to post here
I remember my buddy Eric was in the closet about being black. It was a shock when he told me.
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Ah yes, a character known for designing outfits and showcasing them to a wide selection of clients would be a muzzie with famously repressive and modest religious attire. People who insist on shoving round pegs into square holes are typically retarded.
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I find it extremely disappointing that they gotta turn any of the Z fighters into pooners when Frieza's race and Nameks exist. They're not "sexy" like the other characters, but Toriyama already gave them cuntboy aliens.
ETA: I left off after the Buu saga, so the list of alien races that are "all male coded but still reproduce in an alien or body horror-y way" has probably expanded since then.
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RazorBackBacon
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I doubt media literacy or lack thereof has anything to do with their behavior. It's not actually about the specific media for them. They act this way around Steven Universe and MLP and Homestuck, just the same way their precursors acted like this around Twilight and Harry Potter. The media is just an outlet for their BPD need to harass and harangue other people for wrongthink. If we lived in a parallel universe where Jurassic Park got huge with the tumblr crowd, we'd be dealing with flame wars over whether Ellie Satler should have gotten with Alan Grant or Ian Malcom.
You are right, though, it does all boil down to control and a sense of misplaced empathy.
UUUHHHMM AHKSHUALLY Nameks reproduce by vomiting spore/egg things out of their mouths. The Namekian undercarriage is solely for excretion.
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After going through this thread I realized that none of these people are actually artists or good at drawing. It’s all comic art and derivative of other comic styles. It’s purely imitative. Can any of these people actually paint shit like this?
Okay, maybe that’s a bar too high. But artists of video games are better than anything I saw in the thread.
A lot of these SJW people are the sort who are always ‘out of work’ and ‘jobseeking’ or whatever. But it’s apparent they fundamentally lack work ethic, in addition to the anti-social behaviors that make it impossible to hold a job (cf. Dobson). It permeates the entire liberal sphere. If the left wants to legitimize itself, it needs to purge the lazy wing out of its movement (like Lenin did).
Okay, maybe that’s a bar too high. But artists of video games are better than anything I saw in the thread.
A lot of these SJW people are the sort who are always ‘out of work’ and ‘jobseeking’ or whatever. But it’s apparent they fundamentally lack work ethic, in addition to the anti-social behaviors that make it impossible to hold a job (cf. Dobson). It permeates the entire liberal sphere. If the left wants to legitimize itself, it needs to purge the lazy wing out of its movement (like Lenin did).
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What's sad is this art is legitimately good and people still jumped down the poor girl's throat. I'm sure the extent of their artistic talents consist of making shitty edits or "fixes" to existing art on X.
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It isn't Ironic, and isn't even coincidental. This is the direct result of how the idea is communicated in those games.
Despite your description, if one were to pay attention to Undertale\Deltarune, they'd see how narratively insecure the writer (developer) is.
In case of Undertale - The player is discouraged from doing things that are deemed "wrong" according to the game's morals - while a true choice based interaction would mean there is no moral judgement, the player's actions are taken at face value, neutrally - the player will act as they please, seeing what benefits them or what doesn't as they go;
Examples that I can think of are music changes, NPC's dissapearing (Which otherwise could've provided some in-game content), progression changes and so on. The flavour text changes, specifically it's in red to show Chara speaking through the player - while it has a lore explanation, it's emotionally charged, making the player associate it with negativity, even if they have their own justifications for doing the genocide route. The Neutral route has less abstractions, but it literally has guilt-tripping segments in the ending when our controller character gets a call from Underground residents (Sans and some others, depending on specific caveats), detailing things that supposedly went wrong or right because of their actions. There might be zero tangible correlation with what's described and what happens during gameplay, it's just dumping plot points to make you feel bad enough to go try pacifist route.
Then the Genocide route's end hits you with this:
You are forced to stare at a black screen and then start over. Undertale fans took right after their favourite game's creator - Toby is so hellbent on making you play the way HE wants you to play HIS game, he programmed it to punish you for not playing it right. As I said - narrative insecurity. His way of playing is lame, half of the more normie players would not do it, so he designed the game to shepherd you into doing it "correctly".
My point is compounded by a redditor's findings:
Won't touch upon Deltarune, I think you get the idea. I won't provide examples of better games, because I'd be glazing Fallout 1 the whole message. Conclusion is that Undertale deserves it's fans and their attitude.
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In case of Undertale - The player is discouraged from doing things that are deemed "wrong" according to the game's morals - while a true choice based interaction would mean there is no moral judgement, the player's actions are taken at face value, neutrally - the player will act as they please, seeing what benefits them or what doesn't as they go;
Examples that I can think of are music changes, NPC's dissapearing (Which otherwise could've provided some in-game content), progression changes and so on. The flavour text changes, specifically it's in red to show Chara speaking through the player - while it has a lore explanation, it's emotionally charged, making the player associate it with negativity, even if they have their own justifications for doing the genocide route. The Neutral route has less abstractions, but it literally has guilt-tripping segments in the ending when our controller character gets a call from Underground residents (Sans and some others, depending on specific caveats), detailing things that supposedly went wrong or right because of their actions. There might be zero tangible correlation with what's described and what happens during gameplay, it's just dumping plot points to make you feel bad enough to go try pacifist route.
Then the Genocide route's end hits you with this:
You are forced to stare at a black screen and then start over. Undertale fans took right after their favourite game's creator - Toby is so hellbent on making you play the way HE wants you to play HIS game, he programmed it to punish you for not playing it right. As I said - narrative insecurity. His way of playing is lame, half of the more normie players would not do it, so he designed the game to shepherd you into doing it "correctly".
Thank you. THANK YOU. Undertale has bothered me for the longest time and I could not put my finger on why.
Well, I figured out after a while that I was bothered by the game punishing you for fighting back. Like bitch, all these people are trying to kill me (the player character), and yet I'm punished for defending myself or fighting back? I'm treated as the bad guy? Yes obviously the Genocide Route is different where you deliberately go out of your way to kill everyone, but in the "ideal" route you're supposed to be this goody-goody guy who treats everyone with kindness when everything is trying to kill you. Fuck. Off.
But your description hammers it home. I have been sick of Undertale for a long time because of severe hype fatigue and what I described above, but what you added is a big part of it too. Punishing you for playing it "wrong." And everyone getting up in arms about how ~brilliant~ it is.
Well also the whole thing about Mettaton being a metaphor for a trans person (supposedly) and everyone screeching about how Chara and Frisk are genderqueer or nonbinary because they use "they" pronouns. (No, they are a "they" because they are a blank slate player avatar.)
I haven't played DeltaRune yet. Is it more of the same bullshit?
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Oooh my god, that situation with the Noelle fanartist is really starting to make me a kinda MATI now.
Imagine saying that to some poor random kid on the internet. And I couldn’t glean anything from Andri’s account but I just know this is some grown ass man/woman getting their jollies by putting down a 15 year old.
Thread Tax. Maia Kobe, author of Gender Queer, is still unfortunately doing art. And is doing a lot of glazing for Palestine.
If you haven’t, check out the Let’s Read thread on Gender Queer, it’s a great breakdown on why Maia’s absolutely fucked.
Edit: Lmao Andri up there has limited responses on because everyone’s tearing them a new asshole.
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Undertale pulls the "humans are the real monsters" thing, but tries to show people like Asgore and Alphys but they are more doing what they do out of desperation, while the game treats you like a irredeemable piece of shit.
Also, correct me if im wrong, but isnt everyone a dick to you when you go neutral/pacifist but suddenly everybody is super nice in the genocide route? And not in the "please dont hurt me" type of nice.
Side note but when I see people like Asgore, Undyne or Sans im like "how the fuck did they lose the war??"
Also, correct me if im wrong, but isnt everyone a dick to you when you go neutral/pacifist but suddenly everybody is super nice in the genocide route? And not in the "please dont hurt me" type of nice.
Side note but when I see people like Asgore, Undyne or Sans im like "how the fuck did they lose the war??"
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Papyrus treats you extremely nicely despite having done nothing but completely walk through all of his gags and puzzles but that's pretty par for the course. Once you've shivved Undyne its largely empty - which ironically makes Hotlands far less irritating to go through.
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Undertale is a game where you play as a lost child, likely no more than 10 years old, who is alone in a place s/he has never been before, completely separated from all of his/her family and friends. It is also a game where every single character tries to murder that lost child. Everyone is hostile to this poor kid, everyone tries to kill this poor kid. How the fuck am I meant to play a game like that and think "wow, what a lovely bunch of folks, they're just like Frisk's family"? Frisk surely has a nice human family back at home that don't try to kill her.
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The first living being Frisk encounters in the underground is a talking flower what tries to kill him.
Then he finds Toriel, who is motherly and carrying at first but tries to kill him anyway regardless of what route you are going for.
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You just summed up my entire feelings about the game perfectly and truth be told, I ain't trusting Toby to write jack shit after that.
All I'm saying is: Is anyone surprised the dude donated to BLM?
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I’ll play devil’s advocate for a sec here and say that not everyone tries to kill Frisk. There’s plenty of NPCs in towns and a few other places who aren’t hostile, shopkeepers will gladly do business with you even in a genocide run, and Papyrus doesn’t kill you even if you lose to him and will eventually give up if you keep losing. Other than that, yeah, you’ve got a point with all the hostile NPCs. And Sans, who would’ve killed Frisk if not for Toriel.
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Despite Toby's success he's now gotta do at least several more years of indentured servitude to Andrew Hussie by starring in the cartoon version of his comic. No matter what he achieves, he's eternally Andrew Hussie's bitch.
The art that 15 year-old did was such a cute drawing, I feel bad for her. She's very talented despite being only 15 and doesn't deserve all this abuse. Why the fuck does the human version of a anthropomorphic deer character even need to be specifically brown-skinned? The world will never know.
I don't even think it's possible to "safely" bind your own breasts. You're crushing your chest and restricting your lung capacity no matter what you do, especially if you're doing it every fucking day for years on end. The people who promote this shit are plummeting directly to hell when they die.
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FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT
What's funny is even in comic terms they suck. I'm gonna sperg hard but...
I have some experience learning under folk who used to work for the comic industry in the olden days and comics objectively require a fundamental understanding of art you would learn in art school or the old masters. Talent helps, sure but you can't just jump the gun without knowing how to draw in order to pump out pages quick enough, and a lot of these pro artists tend to already know how to paint and even sculpt by the time they start working — it helps if they also have a distinct style that makes them stand out too as it's a very versatile medium. Work for games tend to be a bit more lax since the same artists also did other work for the game like models and texture work, but the standard has certainly been raised since the 90s.
Page layout is also important because you want to portray action and mood in a gripping way (kind of like how storyboards function, shit takes a lot more planning than you'd think), whereas a lot of these comics I'm seeing are the most barebones elementary shit kids can do better. It doesn't help a lot of the topics they talk about reads more as some teenager trying to justify their dumb actions to their parents; like a diary entry rather than anything well thought out with nuance. If they truly were confident in what they believe in they wouldn't feel the need to validate it.
The style itself tends to be incredibly amateurish too because it's clear they aren't really studying anything and are at most referencing other equally inexperienced internet artists. Their sense of aesthetics is also DOGSHIT because a lot of these arrested in development cases tend to exclusively watch stuff like anime and children's media which I don't judge but if you exclusively draw that you won't really get far in art at all. Trust when I say I was the same...When I was 14. Not gonna judge the kids but a lot of these entries are grown ass adults and they in turn influence the younger generation, even going as far as to bully them like the above case. Poor kid.
Page layout is also important because you want to portray action and mood in a gripping way (kind of like how storyboards function, shit takes a lot more planning than you'd think), whereas a lot of these comics I'm seeing are the most barebones elementary shit kids can do better. It doesn't help a lot of the topics they talk about reads more as some teenager trying to justify their dumb actions to their parents; like a diary entry rather than anything well thought out with nuance. If they truly were confident in what they believe in they wouldn't feel the need to validate it.
The style itself tends to be incredibly amateurish too because it's clear they aren't really studying anything and are at most referencing other equally inexperienced internet artists. Their sense of aesthetics is also DOGSHIT because a lot of these arrested in development cases tend to exclusively watch stuff like anime and children's media which I don't judge but if you exclusively draw that you won't really get far in art at all. Trust when I say I was the same...When I was 14. Not gonna judge the kids but a lot of these entries are grown ass adults and they in turn influence the younger generation, even going as far as to bully them like the above case. Poor kid.
There's nothing wrong with being a hobbyist but when you're selling this shit and trying to make propaganda art, it helps for it to not look like it came out of some weeb 14 yr olds DeviantArt if you want people to take you seriously.
(Also bless you for sharing Shinkiro art
)Sperging aside, I remember when Undertale first released and the main people playing it were early teens. I'm surprised it's still as popular as it is today with Deltarune because I assumed most of those former fans are adults now and have moved past it. The moralfagging and pretentious 3rd wall break fuckery gets annoying real fast when you aren't a kid and think it's shuper deep. Not a bad game still, but Stanley Parable did the whole parody of how games work better imo; they had more of a concise idea for their game whereas Toby Fox seems to have a lot of ideas that sound neat but don't really mesh together because he treats his game like a fanfiction.