Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Meh123]

If all you can do in response to my post is hit the Wikipedia page and quote some numbers and then assert a dodgy conclusion, it's not worth even this derailment. You ignored most of my points and you're also changing your initial statement as well - now it's "to Mars". Falcon Heavy's numbers are because that's what's cost effective for it. You want to back up your assertion that if Earth had twice the mass, it would be impossible for a chemical rocket to "escape the gravity well" you're going to have to come up with something a lot more substantial than that. Especially as it was part of an argument against species leaving their planets. But please don't bother. The conversation moved on.

EDIT: If you really want to continue this and are so confident, start a new thread stating your proposition: "If Earth's mass were twice what it is, it would be impossible for chemical rockets to leave its gravity well". And I'll debate you there if you want.

To simplify all that:
MOAR BOOSTERS

In a scenario where the higher surface gravity is accompanied by a much denser atmosphere, it could actually make SSTO (single stage to orbit) aerospacecraft more viable, by virtue of letting jet engines take it higher and faster before you need to rely on rockets than on earth since more atmosphere means a much more gradual transition to vacuum, and at a higher altitude. For example turbojets with afterburners to take off and get suborbital, and a nuclear thruster to circularise at apoapsis. You’d only need one fuel, liquid hydrogen, which is also convenient.

Brings back the memories..

There was a funny doomer post from a (NAFO) normie on a German newspaper site who ranted about Trump getting fooled by nice words from Putin and after he gets back to Moscow he'll honor them with an attack of like 800 drones and glide bombs on Kiev

Sounds awfully familiar.. Something that superfaggot Lindsay Graham would whisper in Trump's ear while having gay sex golfing together

Anyway, I don't think trump will buy in for another round of praising, then stomping his feet and imposing more tariffs once the russians continue to their goals.. Burned himself too many times.. But then again, it's trump. He's less predictably retarded than anything we seen before.

 

[StudMccool]

ACRGIS is being even more generous with todays update for the Russians than most other maps I look at

Fighting is street to street


to the north of Pokorovsk the main highway has been cut


And at the furthest north end of this push they have reached the final line of Ukranian built defense

 

[Bunkerhousing]

Absolutely idiotic cope, dumb even in the realm of fantasies. The US is not starting WW3 for Ukraine, especially not with a dastardly war crime that would permanently destroy its diplomatic credibility and one that would not even change the situation on the frontline in the slightest. In fact, this would be an amazing way to put an even more pro-war Russian nationalist in power as Putin's successor.

The meeting will be a complete failure though and nothing will come of it as zelensky will just refuse to honor it and thats it, war of attrition continues. It will be up to Trump to react to it..

Assuming they are only going to talk about Ukraine, there is indeed the possibility of failure. I do however suspect Ukraine is actually going to be a rather minor point.

I am no expert but when two world leaders meet, is it not so that the possibility to talk without any transcript being available or unwanted listening is indeed great.

What if the plan is to form an alliance, a coprosperity sphere. Set up trade deals for lots of resources and work. Russia can start produce things for America and sell resources. Toghether they would not need the rest of the world to be prosperous. Also they are going to set up Xcom. See how nicely I tied in the previous alien talk. Remember where you read it first.

Special bubble theory: Trump gonna ask Putin to use his agents to delete Israel black mail material on him.

 

[Susanna]

Brings back the memories..

Man, I loved KSP back in the days.

Spoiler

 

[Fapcop]

Man, I loved KSP back in the days.

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On the bright side, this thread has some remarkably smart people. Possibly the Farms brightest.

On the downside, it’s also a rather eclectic bunch often unable to stay on topic.

But to take a glass half full perspective… At least the end of the war, whenever it comes, is unlikely to mean a dead thread.

Assuming they are only going to talk about Ukraine, there is indeed the possibility of failure. I do however suspect Ukraine is actually going to be a rather minor point.

I am no expert but when two world leaders meet, is it not so that the possibility to talk without any transcript being available or unwanted listening is indeed great.

What if the plan is to form an alliance, a coprosperity sphere. Set up trade deals for lots of resources and work. Russia can start produce things for America and sell resources. Toghether they would not need the rest of the world to be prosperous. Also they are going to set up Xcom. See how nicely I tied in the previous alien talk. Remember where you read it first.

Special bubble theory: Trump gonna ask Putin to use his agents to delete Israel black mail material on him.

Brilliant idea. A Russia/America partnership would be greatly beneficial to both parties.

The only problem is that in 2/4 years someone else is in congress/White House, and might take a totally opposite approach.

I think the Russians have been burnt too many times on that account.

But even so, there’s no shortage of stuff Trump and Putin can talk about: Nuclear disarmament, space cooperation, natural resources exploration, the arctic. And economic cooperation.

If Trump is smart he will drop some sanctions. It’d be a decent boost to the economy, not just because Europe has excluded itself from the Russian market, but also because lower energy prices might follow.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

If Trump is smart he will drop some sanctions.

I mean, buy Russian gas at 20% the price from the Ukrainian pipe and sell it to Europe at 600% mark-up because it is now democratic and not evil is quite an obvious scheme, and they won't even have to physically do anything to the gas. “It's cheaper for us and brings down our energy price", as Van der Leyen said, and it sure will be cheaper for America to get it straight from the tap and not spend a dime on transit costs.

 

[namelesstacotruck]

How does Putin speak to his home base and how accepting just Donbas accomplishes "de-nazification" and the "to Odessa" propaganda present on recruiting videos?

America has no more cards to play without raising via direct military intervention. They can threaten to sanction BRICS harder. India has already signaled with the Rupee play today that the US can get fucked there and China would laugh.

That means it is only internal pressures that Putin would care about. (China benefits either way). Those are invisible to Americans and Trump will be grossly misinformed on what the internal situation of Russia is. If anything it sounds like the war has solidified the factions of Russia that would want to see it continue and weakened the ones that want sanctions removed asap.

What internal pressure DOES Putin have to end it?

 

[CaptainAutism69]

I note Epstein/Trump discussion has dropped out of the news thanks to this week's meeting.
How interesting.

 

[Betonhaus]

How does Putin speak to his home base and how accepting just Donbas accomplishes "de-nazification" and the "to Odessa" propaganda present on recruiting videos?

America has no more cards to play without raising via direct military intervention. They can threaten to sanction BRICS harder. India has already signaled with the Rupee play today that the US can get fucked there and China would laugh.

That means it is only internal pressures that Putin would care about. (China benefits either way). Those are invisible to Americans and Trump will be grossly misinformed on what the internal situation of Russia is. If anything it sounds like the war has solidified the factions of Russia that would want to see it continue and weakened the ones that want sanctions removed asap.

What internal pressure DOES Putin have to end it?

Wouldn't continuing the war be better for Russia in the first place? The sanctions allow Russia more control over its own affairs without foreign bankers and powers coming in and sucking it dry. Russia is slowly regaining its stolen land and people

 

[harbringer883]

I am currently on the front lines of the Xitter front, and I can report that as of this hour in the year of our Lord 2025 NAFOIDs, Butthurt Belters and Eurolibs are absolutely fuming.

A lot of the stuff I am seeing is split between doomers blaming Trump and saying that this all his fault/they would still be in Kursk if it wasn't for him, panicking about how the orkZ are threatening the innocent gender nonconforming folks of Hogwarts and the diehard religious fanaticists who are insisting that everything is fine and that as their holy prophet Francis Fukuyama fortold the Ukrainians only need to be given one more weapons package materialized from the aether and stay on the defensive for just 2 more weeks before they slay the very last chud.

I haven't seen such a mixture of pure reality detached copium and furious dilating since trannies on Twitter were forced to stop lying and admit that they were sterilizing children, while insisting that it was a good thing™

This is nothing compared to the reddit front.

 

[StudMccool]

Holy shit they really broke through the final line already

this is from deepstate, the most pro Ukraine map out there


you can actually SEE in the second picture where the trenchline they crossed is, this is the FINAL defensivework Ukraine has, its just citys and villages behind this

I follow propaganda youtubers from both sides and I want you guys to check out todays video from one of the bigger Ukraine shills, poor guy all but admits its cooked and over

 

[Homo neanderthalensis]

Oh yeah, Dennyis DAvyidyov, who is actually a pilot on Microsoft Flight Simulator and a military analyst on youtube.

 

[ReceiveAndAsk]

I guess it's time to give the cope thread a visit.

 

[Exegesis]

you can actually SEE in the second picture where the trenchline they crossed is, this is the FINAL defensivework Ukraine has, its just citys and villages behind this

There are some minor defensive lines deeper in Donetsk but they're not properly manned and aren't gonna be anything besides a bump on the road for the Russian army. Ukraine knew this breakthrough was gonna happen at some point which is why they commissioned for another defensive line to be built further north back in May. The issue here is that Russia has been blowing up Ukrainian cement factories for the past 2 months and destroying the vehicles used to create the defensive positions. Besides their Festung Kramatorsk-Slovyansk, Ukraine doesn't have very many good defensive positions anymore.

 

[Homo neanderthalensis]

"In the beginning of the Russian invasion in February 2022, Davydov supported Ukraine as a citizen journalist as opposed to becoming a soldier, providing analysis of the war from Ukraine on his Telegram and YouTube channels. Davydov has continued to cover the war and related events in the form of near-daily updates since. Around January 2023, Davydov left Ukraine with his family and moved to Switzerland, citing security concerns with remaining where they were."

If you watch his early videos, you can see he is from a wealthy family, big house, motorcycle review,s expensive stuff, trips. Of course they have bailed to Switzerland and now he acts like a tough guy on youtube from the safety of Switzerland.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I guess it's time to give the cope thread a visit.

They're pretending none of this is happening.

 

[Male Idiot]

I don't really see what Russia would gain from allying with the US against China.

Us foreign policy is famously skitzo. All it would take for a blue wave even if Trump was known for keeping promises, which he is definately not known for. As Merkel said, their agreements were never meant seriously.

I know China has its faults, and Russia maybe nervous about their border. But a far away future conflict with China (who has the south sea to worry about first and foremost) looks like a far safer bet. If China got rid of Taiwan, Philippines and Japan and Worst Korea, than Russia could start to worry, but that sounds a long way off even for China.

The best bet would have been Germany, but the Germans are just US vassals and ideologically captured, so that is impossible.

 

[Charred Dinosaur]

you can actually SEE in the second picture where the trenchline they crossed is, this is the FINAL defensivework Ukraine has, its just citys and villages behind this

Though the war will still likely go on for a year or two (unless there is a major morale crisis or Russia risks sending units meant to gaurd it's borders with NATO countries to speed things up) this is going to be what the Ukrainians thought Kursk was.

Russia has now fully pierced the most formidable series of defenses on the planet to the point where despite enemy facing against a enemy with surveillance provided to it for free by NATO their scouts now move around in the rear with such freedom that mapping sides aligned with both sides are getting liberal with their usage of grey zones.

With that section of the line breached and the remaining defenses outflanked Russia will be in a perfect position to make moves such as starting to put Slovyansk and Kramatorsk in the largest cauldron of the war with simultaneous advances into Lyman or making a push westward into Dnipropetrovsk.

I will be generous to the Ukrainians and predict that through pulling troops away from other critical hotspots they will "stabilize" the breakthrough and reduce Russian advances here to a more manageable speed.
That still won't change the fact that now we can say without a shadow of doubt that the static warfare phase of the war is either dead or on the verge of ending, and that what comes next in the near future won't be drawn out multi month sieges for fortified towns that continue well after a certain side should have pulled out to preserve manpower but instead a fighting retreat Westwards.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

On the bright side, this thread has some remarkably smart people. Possibly the Farms brightest.

That's a gem right there.

 

[Exegesis]

Russia has now fully pierced the most formidable series of defenses on the planet to the point where despite enemy facing against a enemy with surveillance provided to it for free by NATO their scouts now move around in the rear with such freedom that mapping sides aligned with both sides are getting liberal with their usage of grey zones.

They broke through these defensive lines way earlier in the south of Donetsk but it's still partially contained by the Vovcha river.