Parental Rights vs Child's Best Interest

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Some who post here think it's a really easy question to answer, and I'm just being a stupid sped liberal for not seeing it, but I'm far more ambivalent, to the point of derailing threads only tangentially related to the point at hand, and I'm very sorry about that. I've decided to take that debate here, for less autism elsewhere.
 
My stance is that it is very complicated, and that there might be no where you can cut that won't be 'to the quick'. Another of my stances is that this doesn't change, regardless of what side of the culture war horseshoe you happen to fall on.
Just because a topic is complicated and you see a lot of lowest common denominator type people take an extreme and simplistic stance on the matter doesn't mean you get to just say what you just said and call it a day. If you don't expound on an actual take that you think is the most reasonable middle ground from your point of view, you're no different from someone who doesn't even care about the subject matter.
 
Your question is nonsense. I don't know what you are asking and you don't seem to know either. Who, other than the parents, determines what a child's best interests are? Who is in a better position than the parents to make that call? Are you a parent? Have you suffered a traumatic brain injury?
 
My stance is that it is very complicated, and that there might be no where you can cut that won't be 'to the quick'. Another of my stances is that this doesn't change, regardless of what side of the culture war horseshoe you happen to fall on.
Just because a topic is complicated and you see a lot of lowest common denominator type people take an extreme and simplistic stance on the matter doesn't mean you get to just say what you just said and call it a day. If you don't expound on an actual take that you think is the most reasonable middle ground from your point of view, you're no different from someone who doesn't even care about the subject matter.
From an ontological ethical perspective, it's not even a complicated topic

A child is a volitional being in development, psychologically immature and not yet able to fully express their own will or act on it. Guardianship is the exclusive authority to preserve the child until they can direct their own life. It is a rivalrous right, but this is neither ownership of the child or its body, nor is it a license to mold them according to some preference
That right is homesteaded by the first to actually perform the work of guardianship, typically the mother from conception onward due to continuous proximity. The guardian's sole mandate is to maintain the child's original, unconsented bodily and mental state (the condition before they are able to agree to any change) until the child can make informed decisions. Interventions are justified only to preserve or restore that state (e.g. life-saving surgery), not to make alterations for aesthetic or speculative reasons

"Best interest" cannot be defined by a court, a culture, or a political faction. It boils down to a single standard, namely actions that prevent conflict between the child's future will and what is done to them before they can speak it. "Parental rights" exist only insofar as they serve that goal. The moment a guardian actively harms the child or obstructs others from taking over preservation, they forfeit that role.

If you see it this clearly, there is no irresolvable clash between "parental rights" and "child's best interest". They are not opposing claims, but two descriptions of the same underlying structure (the right to guard, bounded by the duty not to damage what one is guarding)
 
Stop trying to make an argument for him to respond to when he doesn't even make an argument of his own.
 
My stance is that it is very complicated, and that there might be no where you can cut that won't be 'to the quick'. Another of my stances is that this doesn't change, regardless of what side of the culture war horseshoe you happen to fall on.
Wow. Way to make a statement that says absolutely nothing and could be applied to any controversy one might think of. Truly the philosopher of our times.
 
What about parents who won't (or can't) teach their children basic math and literacy, but still insist on homeschooling? How far and to what existent should the state intervene? What about the very real risk those same pathways could be used to force gender woo on people? It's not just "the Left".
 
I gravitate towards parental responsibilities rather than rights. Things that should be forbidden in my opinion.
  • Transing your child
  • Circumcision
  • Denying life saving medical care like blood transfusions
  • Denying proven vaccines like polio, measles etc.
 
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