UN El Salvador approves indefinite presidential reelection and extends terms to 6 years - How dare he solve the crime problem

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SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador (AP) — The party of El Salvador President Nayib Bukele approved constitutional changes in the country’s Legislative Assembly on Thursday that will allow indefinite presidential reelection and extend presidential terms to six years.

Lawmaker Ana Figueroa from the New Ideas party had proposed the changes to five articles of the constitution. The proposal also included eliminating the second round of the election where the two top vote-getters from the first round face off.

New Ideas and its allies in the Legislative Assembly quickly approved the proposals with the supermajority they hold. The vote passed with 57 in favor and three opposed.

Bukele overwhelmingly won reelection last year despite a constitutional ban, after Supreme Court justices selected by his party ruled in 2021 to allow reelection to a second five-year term.

Observers have worried that Bukele had a plan to consolidate power since at least 2021, when a newly elected Congress with a strong governing party majority voted to remove the magistrates of the constitutional chamber of the Supreme Court. Those justices had been seen as the last check on the popular president.

Since then, Bukele has only grown more popular. The Biden administration’s initial expressions of concern gave way to quiet acceptance as Bukele announced his run for reelection. With the return of U.S. President Donald Trump to the White House in January, Bukele had a new powerful ally and quickly offered Trump help by taking more than 200 deportees from other countries into a newly built prison for gang members.

Figueroa argued Thursday that federal lawmakers and mayors can already seek reelection as many times as they want.

“All of them have had the possibility of reelection through popular vote, the only exception until now has been the presidency,” Figueroa said.

She also proposed that Bukele’s current term, scheduled to end June 1, 2029, instead finish June 1, 2027, to put presidential and congressional elections on the same schedule. It would also allow Bukele to seek reelection to a longer term two years earlier.

Marcela Villatoro of the Nationalist Republican Alliance (Arena), one of three votes against the proposals, told her fellow lawmakers that “Democracy in El Salvador has died!”

“You don’t realize what indefinite reelection brings: It brings an accumulation of power and weakens democracy ... there’s corruption and clientelism because nepotism grows and halts democracy and political participation,” she said.

Suecy Callejas, the assembly’s vice president, said that “power has returned to the only place that it truly belongs ... to the Salvadoran people.”

Bukele did not immediately comment.

Bukele, who once dubbed himself “the world’s coolest dictator,” is highly popular, largely because of his heavy-handed fight against the country’s powerful street gangs.

Voters have been willing to overlook evidence that his administration like others before it had negotiated with the gangs, before seeking a state of emergency that suspended some constitutional rights and allowed authorities to arrest and jail tens of thousands of people.

His success with security and politically has inspired imitators in the region who seek to replicate his style.

Most recently, Bukele’s government has faced international criticism for the arrests of high-profile lawyers who have been outspoken critics of his administration. One of the country’s most prominent human rights group announced in July it was moving its operations out of El Salvador for the safety of its people, accusing the government of a “wave of repression.”

https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-nayib-bukele-reelection-f9efd1a08d3c9de2f886f7b911b9417d (Archive)
 
IDK I can see this going really bad someday. The easy part is seizing power. The hard part is governing. Latin America has a long history of men taking power, eliminating crime (or consolidating it into something manageable) seemingly lifting their country up, and eventually fumbling the ball hard on tough economic questions. Leftist and Rightist dictators almost always eventually forget how money works.
Absolutely can see that happening too, it is not done by just locking up all the crims but it is a step in the right direction. El Salvador was practically a war zone without an officially declared war. I'm really hoping Bukele does not turn out like so many other lat am state leaders/dictators did.
 
I understand that Bukele is popular and for good reason, but there's a deep problem with this. Having one guy in charge is amazing when he's a great guy. But the one that comes after him is very often incompetent or downright harmful, corrupt or worse - with the added bonus of few government checks and balances. A situation like that invokes trouble. Now, after the First Great Guy (tm) comes The Mediocrity and all is still seemingly fine. But beneath the surface the amoral, the corrupt, the evil, already eye the throne. And so the third guy will be referred to as Dear Leader, or you'll be shot.

A strong system is indispensable for a proper state. Most guys like Bukele rarely if ever think about what comes after them or create these systems.
As I grow older I realize that having one guy to seethe at and eventually hang is better than the fetid system we're forced to deal with where the uniparty gives you an artificial societal release valve in the form of getting to pick a new head sprouting from the same Hydra every few years.
 
Who would have thought that people like it when you implement the obvious solution to an existential problem and deal with those who profitted from it with an iron fist? Frankly, if all lawyers and ngo scum were summarily executed, the world would become a much better place overnight. I’m sick to death of those fags going “won’t someone think of the drug dealers, rapists and murderers?”

Let Bukele be dictator. At least if he fucks up, it’s clear he’s personally responsible and can be held to account. The worst aspect of western democracy is that it allows politicians to avoid being held personally accountable for their fuckups and outright malfeasance, because the worst thing that happens is they lose an election and go take up a lucrative post as a lobbyist. If a potential outcome of malfeasance on the part of a government official was a humiliating execution, you would see a much more functional and effective government.
 
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The question is will it ever be allowed to drop?
So far there's no indication he'd prevent polling, which is where that number comes from. Everything being done for him right now is legal and not troubling to the vast majority of Salvadorans.

You're falling into the trap of saying "The people love this guy and want him to continue for a long time, but..." while not realizing a future leftist would actually change his own policies and create the power Bukele isn't abusing so far. A future Hugo Chavez will do what Chavez did anyway. Whatever Bukele does now won't stop your hypothetical future bad president from abusing his own future power.

Right here we have one of the most popular leaders in the world, for most of modern history. But the international media just wants to talk about "What about X? What about Y?" while ignoring the actual desires of El Salvador's people.
 
actual desires of El Salvador's people.
To be fair I don’t know any people from El Salvador so I don’t know what their desires are. I know we have polling but as we’ve seen that can and is easily manipulated to sell a narrative all the time. I am sure Kim Jong Un has 99% approval too. And I sure as shit ain’t going there to check out the cool new utopia brought to you by big daddy who will never turn against the people.

I dunno, sounds like all the hype over Bukele is just more ‘the big brutal dictator will fix all your problems guy. Don’t worry about freedoms or individual liberty or anything’ and that just triggers my Don’t Tread on Me Faggots reaction. There’s a reason Washington never chose to be King and I think it’s a good one. All this demagoguery is kinda sycophantic.
 
I know we have polling but as we’ve seen that can and is easily manipulated to sell a narrative all the time.
Bukele is literally the most popular leader in any Spanish speaking country. There's zero evidence the polls are off by more than a typical polling margin of error. Zero. This is years of polls at this point.

It's completely absurd to compare an internet-active, cell phone ridden society to North Korea. These people have relatives all over the world they're sending DMs, phone calls and texts to through non-Salvadorn communications networks.

If you don't trust the people of El Salvador to know what they like and what they want to vote for, why are you concerned about their democracy anyway? You don't believe they can want what they want.
 
Ohh yeah, removal of term limits after he made it very easy to arrest people indefinitely, who can see where this is going....

Yeah, I get it, he's popular, at least for now. So was Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, Putin etc etc, and when they suddenly get less popular it turns out it's hard to get rid of them or the people following them because so much power has been concentrated in their hands. There is a good reason to have term limits, and removing them is a huge red flag.
 
Bukele is literally the most popular leader in any Spanish speaking country. There's zero evidence the polls are off by more than a typical polling margin of error. Zero. This is years of polls at this point.

It's completely absurd to compare an internet-active, cell phone ridden society to North Korea. These people have relatives all over the world they're sending DMs, phone calls and texts to through non-Salvadorn communications networks.

If you don't trust the people of El Salvador to know what they like and what they want to vote for, why are you concerned about their democracy anyway? You don't believe they can want what they want.
Sure okay, El Salvador is totally in cultish love with their benevolent hero. Just don’t bring that shit here because we all know how that turns out. It’s riddled all over the history of human civilization. Hey maybe you should emigrate there since it’s so great!
 
El Salvador got its "Ceasar", pulling them through the darkest hour, of course they want him to stick around since they know no one else will at best to as good of a job and there is always a chance the next president will undo everything as a corrupt paid fag puppet.

People dont want democracy, they want solutions and if that requires letting go of democracy, its a small price to pay.
The entire Western academic narrative is getting skullfucked hard.

Turns out you actually can deport millions of troublesome invaders as shown by Iran and Pakistan of all places.
Turns out you actually can significantly improve law and order by simply cracking down hard on, who could've seen this one coming, criminals.
Turns out you actually can get significant pushback if you try to use your rules based world order to force everyone to join in on the unironic worship of faggots.

Turns out killing criminals does earn results and makes crime go away (suck it, Batman)
 
Sure okay, El Salvador is totally in cultish love with their benevolent hero. Just don’t bring that shit here because we all know how that turns out. It’s riddled all over the history of human civilization. Hey maybe you should emigrate there since it’s so great!
"Don't bring peace and order to our streets! I like being robbed, raped, and killed!"

Did I translate that correctly?
 
Just don’t bring that shit here because we all know how that turns out.
Who said we would? Or should?

If you don't believe Salvadorans should get the government they actually want, then why do you want them to be able to vote in the first place? You may as well cancel their elections and let some NGO or UN body run the place.

But it's their country. Their democracy and their choice even if they make mistakes.
 
I may be optimistic but I think Bukele could be the guy to really turn things around. He's shown the people of El Salvador they didn't have to live under anarcho-tyranny where they were at the mercy of the most depraved, god-awful scumfucks imaginable, he dealt with them, throwing the entire lot into a mega prison to rot and the people can finally breathe without a crimal scumfuck looking to butcher them and their children for a buck. That sort of hope is powerful, knowing you don't have to live like that and while I doubt it'll last forever, Bukele may just be satisfied with his legacy and the people of El Salvador can live a good life for a generation or two before people forgot how hellish things were. Some leftish scumlover might well get his shit kicked in if his first agenda is to free the scumfucks and coddle them.
 
the people of El Salvador can live a good life for a generation or two before people forgot how hellish things were.
Colombia has fallen into that trap recently, and it's heartbreaking after the rapid improvement cities like Medellin made over the last 30 years. They'll end up neo-Venezuela if they keep electing stupid lefties like their current president.
 
If you don't believe Salvadorans should get the government they actually want
I don’t accept that I can infer that from the data available so the whole premise is kaput. Sorry.
I also don’t care enough to actually find out. You’re super aroused by big strongmen fixing society for you, I get that. Let me know how that turns out when the strongmen decide you’re one of the problem people. 🤷
 
People dont want democracy, they want solutions and if that requires letting go of democracy, its a small price to pay.
Even with democracy, we still get rampant authoritarian bullshit, or have you missed the past 15 years?

Better to have a monarch who is accountable for his actions than an unaccountable but omnipotent legion of bureaucrats and impotent “representatives”. Bukele is well known and can be shot in the face, unlike some nameless, faceless drone at OFCOM who is tracking your posts on the kiwifarms and notifying your local constabulary that your existence is an offence.
 
Are you serious? I'm defending democracy and the nationhood of a people. They get to vote in their own country.
So do the Chinese. Surprisingly the CCP wins everytime still!
I get it, someone wielding their big brass balls is appealing when corrupt fucks are running roughshod all over. The idea of a hero is addictive. But we’ve seen where it goes and hell it’s the same damn overarching big brother bullshit you see in the UK now. It never ends well. It’s not like ‘we’ll just have an autocrat centralize power’ is some amazing new idea. You are acting like we’ve found one neat trick for utopia.
Again, go join the herd if it’s so green and perfect there. I am absolutely sure it will stay that way. :)
 
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