Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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chimpSculpture said:
Whatsl's the average age of a Japanese Pokémon fan? Do more jap adults own the games compared to jap kids?
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Based on a person who was in ground zero it's kind of like Disney where you have a lot of kids and adults.

The think about the recent Pokemon game starting from the switch is that they have managed to become some of the most beloved games over in Japan to the point that SWSH and SV have basically outsold every single generation with Arceus not being that far behind.

That isn't to say that there isn't some critiquing but they seem to love the Ohmori approach which is far as I can tell is sort of the exact opposite of the West
 
X-avier cuck said:
Based on a person who was in ground zero it's kind of like Disney where you have a lot of kids and adults.

The think about the recent Pokemon game starting from the switch is that they have managed to become some of the most beloved games over in Japan to the point that SWSH and SV have basically outsold every single generation with Arceus not being that far behind.

That isn't to say that there isn't some critiquing but they seem to love the Ohmori approach which is far as I can tell is sort of the exact opposite of the West
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Does them selling a lot really mean they're especially more loved than in the rest of the world though? For one thing, I've seen tons of criticism and raging about modern Pokemon games from Japanese fans on the interest, same as in the West. And for another thing, SWSH and SV have outsold previous generations worldwide, it's not just a Japanese thing.

You know what. In fact, looking over the numbers, Sword/Shield seems to have done much better in the rest of the world than in Japan. SWSH sold 5.64 million in Japan, which is slightly higher than RS and BW by a couple hundred thousand, and lower than DP (which got just over 6 million) and GS (over 7 million), which leaves another 21.08 million sales from the rest of the world. There's no greater breakdown of regions besides Japan vs everyone else, but American and European sales of Pokemon games are generally pretty close so for the sake of argument lets split that evenly into about 10.5 million per region, that massively outsells every previous Pokemon in those regions except Red/Blue in America, where it's still only a million down.

Now, SV sold 8.66 million in Japan, which does beat out everything except RGB, but still that leaves 18.13 million in the rest of the world, so let's say about 9 million each in America and Europe, that would make it the 3rd best selling in America after RB and SWSH, and the 2nd best selling in Europe after SWSH.
 
Retarded Weeb said:
And for another thing, SWSH and SV have outsold previous generations worldwide, it's not just a Japanese thing.
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I'm convinced a big part of this is manchildren.

During the late aughts/early 2010s, large numbers of men in their mid-20s to early 30s weren't buying new Pokemon games. There were no memes about the DS/DSi catering to manchildren in the same way there are for the Switch. This isn't to say it didn't happen, just that the majority of people playing Pokemon during what most old fans agree were its best years were children and teenagers. During those years Pokemon wasn't bending over backwards to pander to people born in the late 80s/early 90s either to recapture that Genwunner crowd. Well now everyone and their mother has a Switch and chasing nostalgia is something that we are just culturally conditioned to do. Sure, most of the people eating up nuPokemon are still probably children but the numbers are absolutely inflated by grown men who consume product and get excited for new product.
 
Computer God Autism said:
I'm convinced a big part of this is manchildren.
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It is, I know I sperg about the cards a lot, but just look at the people in that scene. People reaching their Middle Ages and having a midlife crisis, but they can’t afford to buy a new sports car or summer beach home. So what do they do? They buy and fight over a children’s card game, they go full soyjak over a half-assed attempt to revisit muh Kanto via lets go pikachu/eevee (even though I admit it wasn’t as bad as it could’ve been), they go to the Pokemon center website and buy dropship quality shit like lifestyle products and plushies. It’s not just Pokemon, they do this with Nickelodeon cartoons and Dragonball Z, anything from the late 80s to early 00s.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug, especially when it harkens back to when life seemed better and you weren’t an adult with responsibilities. That’s part of why I don’t take it too seriously anymore when people bitch about the newer generations of Pokemon like you’d see normoids doing. It’s not for you, 37 year old millennial, you’re not the target audience anymore, especially not after you ditched the series in 2001 because it wasn’t cool anymore. The designs aren’t awful and gen 1 isn’t peak, it’s just that you’ve grown up and can’t see that every generation had its bangers and duds.

I would go even further and say it’s not just Pokemon, no, it’s also a problem with Nintendo in general. People who’ve grown up playing Nintendo games seem to like complaining because of the changes made across generations. They can’t accept that they’re not the target demographic anymore.
 
Abella said:
I would go even further and say it’s not just Pokemon, no, it’s also a problem with Nintendo in general. People who’ve grown up playing Nintendo games seem to like complaining because of the changes made across generations. They can’t accept that they’re not the target demographic anymore.
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I would agree if it weren't blatantly obvious Nintendo is targeting the nostalgia of older demographics as much as new audiences (that they're honestly losing - more kids care about Minecraft than Pokemon) and that many of these people never stopped playing to begin with. Like, sure, people get older, tastes change, they become more discerning, they get rose-tinted glasses, but on the other the people who never put down Pokemon since the aughts probably have a good reference point to say that the series they have an unhealthy obsession with has demonstrably declined (and declined in part because they refuse to give it up).
 
Computer God Autism said:
I would agree if it weren't blatantly obvious Nintendo is targeting the nostalgia of older demographics as much as new audiences (that they're honestly losing - more kids care about Minecraft than Pokemon) and that many of these people never stopped playing to begin with. Like, sure, people get older, tastes change, they become more discerning, they get rose-tinted glasses, but on the other the people who never put down Pokemon since the aughts probably have a good reference point to say that the series they have an unhealthy obsession with has demonstrably declined (and declined in part because they refuse to give it up).
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You know what, I failed to consider that last part when I made my post because I’ve accepted that it’s fine to put down a series and say “this installment isn’t for me”. I failed to account for the Pokemon adults who still buy plushies and don’t hide their power levels.
 
Abella said:
They can’t accept that they’re not the target demographic anymore.
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A little autistic tangent: everytime I hear “target demographic” and “Pokemon” in the same sentence I just laugh to myself and ask “does anybody know who the hell are target audiences anymore?” I doubt even Nintendo doesn’t know the answer.
Most children around me playing / watching some freemium shit on their tablets. Teens acting tough and play real men games like CoD or whatever popular shooter games and usually they look at Pokemon down the fucking nose - based - . Worst of all, for those little ones who love pokemon they are basically shit out of luck because here comes hundreds of soywalkers running through the store buying out everything imaginable and leave them with nothing.

I can imagine Nintendo / TPC / GF standing looking at this shitshow: this was supposed to be a family friendly franchise but our database indicates that around 50% of the fanbase are adults in their mid 40s - I know that article was for Japan exclusively, but I bet big money same thing happened for the rest if not worse -, but we can’t step in because those soywalkers are paying us good money.

Kinda funny with all that said they still insist in making their games 100% safe and never considered evolving some aspect for the adult audience like what Digimon did. Can you imagine if they took a page from Digimon Survive and started killing off people just because you chose the wrong path? People like Joe Merrick would’ve cried his ass off.. sadly they don’t have the balls to do such thing.

Great post regardless, the situation with this God damn franchise and the fanbase is just bizarre.
 
I would say so that they're selling well because of Japanese really like story driven narratives and the Pokemon since there's like a ton of fan art of both across the generations on the switch.

Infamously, during the 3DS days no Pokemon game could touch generation four or five which led to some sales analyst thinking that the series was declining sales wise since they would only peek at like 3 million as opposed to like the 5 million black and white got or the nearly 7 million DPP had.

There is an obsession with scarlet and violet over there.

Abella said:
You know what, I failed to consider that last part when I made my post because I’ve accepted that it’s fine to put down a series and say “this installment isn’t for me”. I failed to account for the Pokemon adults who still buy plushies and don’t hide their power levels.
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I think a part of the two is that ever since the 2010s without awful things have gotten, people have begin to sort of retreat into established media for escapism and Pokemon is incredibly good about that.

There are people who have never seen anime that will sink hours into it now just to feel like they're a part of something or do not have to think about what's outside.
 
X-avier cuck said:
I like sun and moon but knowing what it was supposed to be makes it nearly as good as Pokemon X and Y in terms of cut content.

The original pitch for the game sounds like it would have been one of the best Pokemon games of all time
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It's been forever since I read about cut content and leaks about older gens, what was the original pitch?
 
BlazikenLover said:
It's been forever since I read about cut content and leaks about older gens, what was the original pitch?
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SM was originally going to be open world. It had its own form of the past paradox Pokemon through these weird fossils where you could find ancestral Pokemon like a wingless Salamence acestor, there were over 200 side quests and even more that would have been added through dlc, the team Rainbow Rocket stuff would have been a part of the post game, there was a gigantic battle Cruise that was planned that was going to be similar to the Pokemon world tournament where it would have docked in specific all over the other six regions and you would fight various trainers from there.

Z moves originally had a lot more complexity where depending on how you utilize them it would affect what the battlefield
-the water ones would set up heavy storms
- the electric ones would set up electric terrain that would specifically affect electric types

There was this post game idea of Zygarde battling it out with the ultra beast that would have ended with him fighting Guzzlord

There was this weird idea called mini Pokemon that effectively acted like opowers from generation 6 .
 
X-avier cuck said:
SM was originally going to be open world. It had its own form of the past paradox Pokemon through these weird fossils where you could find ancestral Pokemon like a wingless Salamence acestor, there were over 200 side quests and even more that would have been added through dlc
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I assume this came from teraleak. Do you know which documents this was confirmed from? I remember the cruise and Team Rocket being part of the game but not much else.

Also, fun fact, there is an unused water field environment in the final game, similar to the 4 elemental ones that Tapus summon, so this is likely a remnant of that idea.
 
Rinyuu is my EX said:
I can imagine Nintendo / TPC / GF standing looking at this shitshow: this was supposed to be a family friendly franchise but our database indicates that around 50% of the fanbase are adults in their mid 40s - I know that article was for Japan exclusively, but I bet big money same thing happened for the rest if not worse -, but we can’t step in because those soywalkers are paying us good money.
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Someone at Nintendo/GF/TPC (not sure which) must resent the manchild demographic as there have been some pretty aggressive attempts to make the franchise more kid friendly, like introducing moves such as "Splishy Splash" and "Baddy Bad" in the Let's Go games or releasing shlock like Friends and Smile.

X-avier cuck said:
SM was originally going to be open world. It had its own form of the past paradox Pokemon through these weird fossils where you could find ancestral Pokemon like a wingless Salamence acestor, there were over 200 side quests and even more that would have been added through dlc, the team Rainbow Rocket stuff would have been a part of the post game, there was a gigantic battle Cruise that was planned that was going to be similar to the Pokemon world tournament where it would have docked in specific all over the other six regions and you would fight various trainers from there.
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Yeah, I could see why this didn't make it into the games. They must've cut that back once they realized they wouldn't be able to get it done, especially on the 3DS.
 
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I temporarily forgot what Totodile's first evolution is. Then later, as I was reaching to turn on the display for that N64 with Stadium 2 to find out, I suddenly remembered.

What a forgettable pocketmon Croconaw is. 🤔
 
ToroidalBoat said:
I temporarily forgot what Totodile's first evolution is. Then later, as I was reaching to turn on the display for that N64 with Stadium 2 to find out, I suddenly remembered.

What a forgettable pocketmon Croconaw is. 🤔
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I find Croconaw very memorable. I remember looking at that belly/chest pattern and thinking Croconaw looked like it came out of an episode of the Flinstones since it was visually similar to the style of that cartoons clothing. The only thing Croconaw is missing to complete that cavecroc look is a large club.
 
X-avier cuck said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njPF7wOu2t4


These two vids cover everything
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I meant which document and which folder within the teraleaks was this information contained in. You can easily check this information for yourself if you have the files, and then we know the information is actually true. Plenty of people made things up during the teraleaks so you always ask where the information came from for proof.

I will give this channel a go, it seems to have several more interesting videos than just these two.
 
So, in lieu of my last post, I bit the bullet and got Let's Go Pikachu. I enjoyed it a lot, although it was a bit short. Leveling up by catching Pokemon is pretty cool, and I was able to beat the Elite Four in no time, along with transferring my winning team over to Brilliant Diamond, which definitely has a harder Elite Four to beat.

Overall, Let's Go Pikachu was pretty enjoyable, along with revisiting Kanto again.
 
Focken Kiwi said:
I find Croconaw very memorable. I remember looking at that belly/chest pattern and thinking Croconaw looked like it came out of an episode of the Flinstones since it was visually similar to the style of that cartoons clothing. The only thing Croconaw is missing to complete that cavecroc look is a large club.
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IMO the caveman theme just makes it look ugly, good thing it loses it when it evolves.
 
Tate McRae said:
So, in lieu of my last post, I bit the bullet and got Let's Go Pikachu. I enjoyed it a lot, although it was a bit short. Leveling up by catching Pokemon is pretty cool, and I was able to beat the Elite Four in no time, along with transferring my winning team over to Brilliant Diamond, which definitely has a harder Elite Four to beat.

Overall, Let's Go Pikachu was pretty enjoyable, along with revisiting Kanto again.
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BDSP still has the original Diamond/Pearl elite four if I recall correctly, along with no real fire types for the fire trainer. I think the only difference here is that enemy Pokemon have competitive items, but that is rendered null due to every single one of your Pokemon being artificially stronger due to the friendship mechanic from Sun and Moon being carried over, meaning that the more you use your Pokemon the more bonuses you get just by raising it's friendship(for example, being able to survive a hit that would KO or increasing critical chance).

Let's Go is a waste of time, unless you're really into the Pokemon GO mechanics. Why you wouldn't just replay Yellow or even play a romhack that properly ports Yellow into Gen 3 is beyond me, especially when the game is meant for little kids and casuals(even more so than the mainline games). The only saving grace is being able to use Alolan variants, which would be interesting if the game wasn't so easy.
 
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