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I more or less just hate how the bar for being a zoomer just seems to be going back further and further. Like many millenials are being classified as zoomers now. Don't lump them in with each other, man. That being said, I think the kids are gonna be alright. Some might be stupid, but a good most of them have heart and just desperately wanna see things be different.
 
Some might be stupid, but a good most of them have heart and just desperately wanna see things be different.
Most Zoomers are incredibly stubborn and extremist from my experience. Mostly from social media "echo chamber" algorithms. You could prove them wrong about xyz, but they will refuse to give up their opinion. If you think boomers are bad with their signs at intersections about Jesus, old zoomers will be 100x more insufferable with more of the extremist shit like blocking roads or literal "outside the building" mass, unsanctioned protests.
I felt that the "desire to change the world" shit was drilled into most zoomers' heads, especially with the advent of technology.
Even if the actual ability to change the world is not obtainable by most, the desire to make an impact is still there.
What is an incredibly easy way to apparently make an impact? Performative politics. So a lot of zoomers picked it up and internalized.

I've had to code switch with most of my friend groups, and the reason is the zoomers themselves. It's both sides.
I think a lot of hobbies, interests, and sports have inherently become politized by zoomer personal politics being falsely attributed to specific elements of a hobby.
Compare Comic-Con 10 years ago to now. Compare Anime Conventions 10 years ago to now. Compare UFC/MMA from 10 years ago to now. Compare US car culture from 10 years ago to now.
I feel like the types of "extremists" from all these groups have hit an upsurge in our generation, and I think it's because how zoomers were raised from a macro standpoint.
 
I felt that the "desire to change the world" shit was drilled into most zoomers' heads, especially with the advent of technology.
Even if the actual ability to change the world is not obtainable by most, the desire to make an impact is still there.
I actually see this as a millennial trait, and something that (most) zoomers lack. While online, they are on a power trip and enjoy proclaiming whatever their flavor-of-the-month opinion is, offline they almost seem fatalistic to an absurd degree. There is a learned helplessness and a severe external locus of control which dictates the large part of the zoomer's belief systems. Honestly I can't blame them; very few of them can afford to live on their own, and the only place they can affect change is in their own little corners of the Internet. You'll still have your Greta Thunburgs and David Hoggs, but every generation had squeaky wheels. I do not forsee zoomers at large marching in protest in any degree like the older generations have, both due to laziness and also because most realize it doesn't do anything.
 
Cringe culture fucking decimated free expression in our generation and I don't think enough people talk about it. Just let people enjoy things, ok Chud?
Sticker me TMI but I'm autistic as shit. My hobbies are weird and I love them. No woman has ever looked at a guy who plays accordion or collects old technology (privately, for himself) and felt butterflies in her stomach. Somehow, I've been told I'm performative if I dare to even express minor interest in my hobbies with most people.
I totally get you. I had a boyfriend who used to tell me that things I would say were cringe. It made me feel really bad and wondered why he was even with me if he thought I was embarrassing. Unfortunately, he isn't the only Zoomer to say stuff, you see that both in-person and online with our generation, and it's very disheartening, especially as I have a lot of interests that are rather unique. I try not to let it get to me, but sometimes it is really hard to not feel judged by everyone over something harmless.
Job hunting is incredibly gay and I feel like we really should push for apprenticeships.
I unironically think that sites like LinkedIn and Indeed are scams. I also got the job I currently have by talking to my now boss in person, which only furthers my belief.
 
I totally get you. I had a boyfriend who used to tell me that things I would say were cringe. It made me feel really bad and wondered why he was even with me if he thought I was embarrassing. Unfortunately, he isn't the only Zoomer to say stuff, you see that both in-person and online with our generation, and it's very disheartening, especially as I have a lot of interests that are rather unique. I try not to let it get to me, but sometimes it is really hard to not feel judged by everyone over something harmless.

I unironically think that sites like LinkedIn and Indeed are scams. I also got the job I currently have by talking to my now boss in person, which only furthers my belief.
Indeed works from my experience. Zip and LinkedIn are scams not because they are scams from the ground up, but because Jeets and companies use them for scams.
 
I actually see this as a millennial trait, and something that (most) zoomers lack. While online, they are on a power trip and enjoy proclaiming whatever their flavor-of-the-month opinion is, offline they almost seem fatalistic to an absurd degree. There is a learned helplessness and a severe external locus of control which dictates the large part of the zoomer's belief systems. Honestly I can't blame them; very few of them can afford to live on their own, and the only place they can affect change is in their own little corners of the Internet. You'll still have your Greta Thunburgs and David Hoggs, but every generation had squeaky wheels. I do not forsee zoomers at large marching in protest in any degree like the older generations have, both due to laziness and also because most realize it doesn't do anything.
This is an essay post. Sorry.
Don't take it that seriously, but this is just an expression of my outlook rather than anything really concrete with facts.
This is basically a summary of my outlook with various first-hand experiences as evidence.

I'm not sure, but I find that zoomers aren't actually lazy.
Successful zoomers tend to be real go-getters when they actually accomplish natural sources of fulfillment.
Most aren't able to be successful. My theory on the "zoomer fatalistic diesease" is a bit more different.
It stems from a form of escape rather than inherent laziness. They are just unoccupied with anything serious in the real world, so the virtual one is the most appealing space for them. Ask the average zoomer about their time spent of devices, it will probably horrify you if you are a past generation.

Millennials grew up during the 90s and early 2000s, where creativity, social interaction, and "discovering yourself" was all the rage.
A good chunk of them remember 9/11 and the subsequent wars after, and they were more or less at the best age for major technological advancements (iPhone, social media, etc). They were essentially geared to sharing opinions with the masses.
Millennials might have had severe ecomomical downers, but they pretty much rule the social media landscape. The changes they "make", exaggerated or not, is displayed for every zoomer child to see.
Millennials changed the world by simply existing at the right place right time, in some respects.
They are a large part of why the current media landscape is why it is.

What millennials complained about in the job market about boomers is essentially the same with zoomers in terms of social media influence.
Zoomers get to have both at the current time.
If you see that the millennials haven't made uprooted boomer influence after decades, you can either help with their cause or write it off. Naturally, a lot of Zoomers have written off the millennial route and focused on trying to seize some of that social media slop gold for themselves. Some join the millennials plight, but few of them will ever really have to heavyweight influence they desire.
They are chronically online because that is the "great battle" of their generation.
They are fatalistic in person because that battle is already lost for them.

Time changes the hands of power through death, and eventually the baby boomers will die out.
Zoomers will pretty much reiterate what millennials do to boomers, with much more extremity.
No one is lazy when they believe their lives are on the line. Sadly, their lives are essentially internalized politics.

Millennials might have created the system, but they aren't truly "in" the system because they weren't raised by it.
Zoomers are direct products of this system; evolution of online culture seems inevitable and will split from millennial ideals.
The zoomer playbook will be the extremist millennials' with boomer-inspired inspiration.
I can't imagine what it will look like, but it's something I'm not gonna be looking forward to.
 
I have a strong nostalgia for media that was around or popular way before I was born. For some reason I have been obsessing over old Adult Swim bumps for the past few years even though I wasn't born when those bumps were being aired, and I was born in Singapore which doesn't have Adult Swim at all. Not only that I get more inspiration as an aspiring creative from really old stuff. Like I hate doing 3D work, but I got more inspired and encouraged to do it after watching Ivan Sutherland's 1963 Sketchpad demo, and watching demos of really old CGI in the 60s and 70s.

I've resigned to thinking I'm a weirdo for this, but I wonder if anyone else is the same way, just with less autistic things like literature and old paintings. (Clearly that's for true intellectual minds.)
 
I'm a millennial. Gay intergenerational feuds only benefit the ((powers)) that be. Don't fall for this.

Fifteen years ago millennials were "the dumbest", "the spoiled by participation prizes", "the snowflakes", and now it's zoomers who are "the dumbest", "the brainrotten", "the ones that don't stand for anything". This is by design. This is why so many dumb women fell for the radfem femcel meme, and so many dumb men fell for the mgtow incel meme as well.

Never reproduce, never unite under timeless principles and values, never form meaningful relationships with your elders and youngers. You belong to a set class and that class is at war with the others. The usual jewish marxist garbage, nothing changes but the names.
 
I more or less just hate how the bar for being a zoomer just seems to be going back further and further. Like many millenials are being classified as zoomers now. Don't lump them in with each other, man. That being said, I think the kids are gonna be alright. Some might be stupid, but a good most of them have heart and just desperately wanna see things be different.
im 30 and i distinctly remember being like 16 in high school and reading a current event news article about "Why Aren't Millenials Buying Houses?" after obama got elected. who probably won the fucking election because of the youth, no less. but at that point dumb teenage me could practically see the generation gap

Paired with the fact that it was just assumed you were a millenial in the same way that boomers assume you're a boomer, i think the vast majority of "zoomers" got to be like 20 years old and then realized they didn't have their identity projected onto them by pop culture when they were a kid, and they have a watershed moment where they realize they have nothing in common with millenials
 
I have a strong nostalgia for media that was around or popular way before I was born. For some reason I have been obsessing over old Adult Swim bumps for the past few years even though I wasn't born when those bumps were being aired, and I was born in Singapore which doesn't have Adult Swim at all. Not only that I get more inspiration as an aspiring creative from really old stuff. Like I hate doing 3D work, but I got more inspired and encouraged to do it after watching Ivan Sutherland's 1963 Sketchpad demo, and watching demos of really old CGI in the 60s and 70s.

I've resigned to thinking I'm a weirdo for this, but I wonder if anyone else is the same way, just with less autistic things like literature and old paintings. (Clearly that's for true intellectual minds.)
i was around for the early turner street broadcasting run of adult swim and from like 2000-2006 or so adult swim was probably the closest thing the internet era youths had to their own MTV. it was cutting, biting, stylistically fresh, and introduced an entire generation of kids to high concept hip hop, anime, and bizarre avante-garde mumbo jumbo. It was legitimately more interesting than the shit you could find on the internet at the time because they were trying to cram as much cheap authenticity into a 6 hour media block during watershed hours.

after that point social media became a thing and television didn't have a reason to be exciting anymore. Turner Media tried and failed to pivot to phone apps, knew how profitable adult swim's viewship block became, so they just crammed it full of Family Guy and dogshit Shonen Anime reruns. that paradigm had about a 15 year run before Million Dollar Extreme: World Peace completely torpedoed their legacy forever because they forced turner to admit that they didn't want to return to form and made tim heidecker eat a very large crow

turner street.webp
could have been a nice media empire if it wasn't run by complete degenerate retards
 
I have a strong nostalgia for media that was around or popular way before I was born. For some reason I have been obsessing over old Adult Swim bumps for the past few years even though I wasn't born when those bumps were being aired, and I was born in Singapore which doesn't have Adult Swim at all. Not only that I get more inspiration as an aspiring creative from really old stuff. Like I hate doing 3D work, but I got more inspired and encouraged to do it after watching Ivan Sutherland's 1963 Sketchpad demo, and watching demos of really old CGI in the 60s and 70s.

I've resigned to thinking I'm a weirdo for this, but I wonder if anyone else is the same way, just with less autistic things like literature and old paintings. (Clearly that's for true intellectual minds.)
You FUCKING RETARD.
Finding media from the past fascinating is NOT called nostalgia.
It's just called having an interest in the culture of the past.
Do not let the Millennials' that live in the past pass on their "muh nostalgia" brainworms onto you. Stop trying to form some bullshit personal connection with media of the past, and just say that you find it interesting. Holy shut these nostalgiatards are soooooo fucking annoying.
Fifteen years ago millennials were "the dumbest", "the spoiled by participation prizes", "the snowflakes"
Still true btw
 
The school system existing is exactly why parents have become that way, if there was no school system.

Parents would be forced to fully provide for their children when they know they can't rely on the government to give their children free lunch and would have to stand the behavior of their children knowing that they aren't being sent off to be babysat by teachers.

Children should have the opportunity to learn even if their parents don't care.
 
At the end of the day, what (should) determine your outcome is how you decide to live your life.
Oh, so it's OK to fuck kids then? We have laws for a reason, my nigger.
First, take to heart the words of the god that is now dead, like the words of a father who has since passed, and carry the wisdom he once granted us.
But just as a child who steps away from their parents, we have to move beyond him. In truth, man is the measure of all things, even with god.
Even in the mind of a christian, the christian reserves the right to interpret his words as he sees fit. Thus in truth, it is the christian who is the measure of it.
We are now tossed into a world, devoid of the comforting stories we tell ourselves. No heaven for the righteous, no hell for sinful. Only the world as we see it.
We are now the sole possessors of this world, now we shall take it and make something of it.
Our destiny is now in our hands, we are the fulcrum by which the future will be determined.
:neckbeard:
If we are to face any of the issues that beset us at all sides, we must know what we above all want. A world in which our children may live freer and better lives than we. To that I say this, we have but one direction to move, and that is up.
The Earth is a flower, a living thing, and we the seeds. We have the chance, the opportunity, afforded to no other organism before us right back to the first primordial organism from which we track our origin.
To grow beyond where we come from.
This, I actually agree with.
 
I actually see this as a millennial trait, and something that (most) zoomers lack. While online, they are on a power trip and enjoy proclaiming whatever their flavor-of-the-month opinion is, offline they almost seem fatalistic to an absurd degree. There is a learned helplessness and a severe external locus of control which dictates the large part of the zoomer's belief systems. Honestly I can't blame them; very few of them can afford to live on their own, and the only place they can affect change is in their own little corners of the Internet. You'll still have your Greta Thunburgs and David Hoggs, but every generation had squeaky wheels. I do not forsee zoomers at large marching in protest in any degree like the older generations have, both due to laziness and also because most realize it doesn't do anything.
Time will tell whether this turns out to be a good thing or a bad thing.
 
Children should have the opportunity to learn even if their parents don't care.
Most of what you learn in High School will not help you in life, they would learn more if they were allowed to work full time earlier than wasting their time learning what concubines a random Chinese Emporer bedded with in a random dynasty.
 
You FUCKING RETARD.
Finding media from the past fascinating is NOT called nostalgia.
It's just called having an interest in the culture of the past.
Do not let the Millennials' that live in the past pass on their "muh nostalgia" brainworms onto you. Stop trying to form some bullshit personal connection with media of the past, and just say that you find it interesting. Holy shut these nostalgiatards are soooooo fucking annoying.

Still true btw
Did you read the entirety of the post of mine you're responding to?
 
You FUCKING RETARD.
Finding media from the past fascinating is NOT called nostalgia.
It's just called having an interest in the culture of the past.
Do not let the Millennials' that live in the past pass on their "muh nostalgia" brainworms onto you. Stop trying to form some bullshit personal connection with media of the past, and just say that you find it interesting. Holy shut these nostalgiatards are soooooo fucking annoying.

Still true btw
My bad nigga. That is a reasonable critique and I will change my behavior accordingly.
 
Secondary school aged students should be given an option for vocational school.
Job hunting is incredibly gay and I feel like we really should push for apprenticeships.
They should, apprenticeships used to be very common here until many of those jobs went away in the late 80s to 90s. Another issue is that the blue collar union that remains is really gatekeepy to hostile towards new blue collar workers, or anyone interested so that discourages many :story: So.. for unions we are stuck with the teachers union and police union, both which are widely loathed by the community. Many blue collar guys my age just try to work fast as possible, and try to get out soon as possible. But like many, they always wind up coming back due to how pricy it is
 
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