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Should be a wild four years.

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harmy.kook said:
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Seeing how you all are trying to implement "assisted dying" and the horror stories I hear from Brits about getting such terrible/surface-level care that they have to go to private doctors in the UK...
No, no you all cannot afford it.

Then on top of that, complete blanket safety nets encourage parasitic classes we have to deal with now.
The Shaniques who'll pump out a bunch of kids to get massive checks.

Also,

I didn't say anything about taking it away from veterans.
Nice try.

We already have dealt with for decades the problems that arise from way too big safety nets.

From Obamacare to the Managerial class that was created by the system scamming said system.

And if we need evidence for where it goes, we can look at Britain and Canada.
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Then it's not "America First" then. It's just "Corporations and Rich People" first, fuck everyone else.

DumbDude43 said:
it's kind of sad because it wasn't always like this.
a lot of older hardline economic libertarians from several decades ago were actually pretty strict social conservatives, they just disagreed with the idea that the state should actively enforce the social order because they were of the opinion that communities would do a better job at doing it themselves, and they were vary of state overreach and abuse of power.

actual principled libertarianism would include stuff like
>freedom of association means that private persons, businesses, and associations should be allowed to exclude and discriminate against whoever they want based on whatever they want, including race

these loudmouthed nu-libertarians aren't like that at all, they're basically just liberals who agree with every leftist policy except taxation and gun control
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That has more to do with the fall of religion in the public sector. Principled libertarians in the past were solidly Christian and would not approve of the social and sexual degeneracy that most libertarians today partake of.
 
StudMccool said:
So one reason why holocaust denial got off the ground as much as it did is how strict the Nazi government was about keeping even its own people at the time in the dark about the ongoings of the camps so the idea of cameras being allowed inside for ANY reason was strictly verboten, thats why almost all the pictures you find of the camps are from allies post liberation so I hope you will accept a written source
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Hows that for a title and author hu? not sure if your game for reading the WHOLE abstarct so Ill highlight what you prolly care to read about

"The SS encouraged sports for the healthy and still strong. There were soccer games, handball, volley ball, and even boxing matches. In the older camps, radio music was piped into the barracks over public address systems. In May 1941, the Buchenwald SS equipped a hall usually employed for public hangings as a motion picture theatre: old, discarded films were shown at irregular intervals. In 1942, a brothel, restricted to Aryan prisoners, was established in Mauthausen; in 1943, brothels were opened in Auschwitz and Buchenwald. In some camps secret libraries were established, containing books received from home"
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From the abstract, I read this as "despite the awful conditions and murderous labor, we still performed and sang and the guards didn't stop us." I will argue that this is far removed from Japanese internment camps who were either allowed to bring their own instruments in or they were provided by the camps. I think your main point is "forced internment is retarded" but comparing it to places like Auschwitz just makes the Japanese internment camps feel like summer camp, and that much more acceptable.

George Takei once joked when people were arguing if Santa was white that he remembered seeing Santa in the internment camp, and Santa was Japanese. The Japanese celebrating a Christian holiday shows how many of them WERE assimilating into American society, but the fact that they got to practice religious events at all shows a level of freedom they were given.

Meanwhile the jews in the camps were singing sad songs about the time their Polish town was burned down during a pogrom. They continued in spite of the hardship, while the Japanese in the camps experienced no such hardship, which is why they look clean and happy in the band photo you posted.
 
The Last Stand said:
I don't get the comic message. I'm guessing the question followed by the next panel of an execution is the punch line. What is the punch line? That no government caused the mass execution to happen?
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The libertarian thinks using the government in any situation is bad and doing anything against leftists will lead to stalinist executions but by doing nothing and allowing the government to be commandeered by leftists, the stalinist executions are being carried out anyway.
 
DumbDude43 said:
it's kind of sad because it wasn't always like this.
a lot of older hardline economic libertarians from several decades ago were actually pretty strict social conservatives, they just disagreed with the idea that the state should actively enforce the social order because they were of the opinion that communities would do a better job at doing it themselves, and they were vary of state overreach and abuse of power.

actual principled libertarianism would include stuff like
>freedom of association means that private persons, businesses, and associations should be allowed to exclude and discriminate against whoever they want based on whatever they want, including race

these loudmouthed nu-libertarians aren't like that at all, they're basically just liberals who agree with every leftist policy except taxation and gun control
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I believe lolbertism could only work in a 90 percent plus homogeneous type of society.

Like New Hampshire or Vermont or something.

Compared it being a dumpster fire ideology in a dump like California. And despite the state legalizing weed, the legal weed industry still being slapped around by the unlicensed weed industry.
 
MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti said:
From the abstract, I read this as "despite the awful conditions and murderous labor, we still performed and sang and the guards didn't stop us." I will argue that this is far removed from Japanese internment camps who were either allowed to bring their own instruments in or they were provided by the camps. I think your main point is "forced internment is retarded" but comparing it to places like Auschwitz just makes the Japanese internment camps feel like summer camp, and that much more acceptable.

George Takei once joked when people were arguing if Santa was white that he remembered seeing Santa in the internment camp, and Santa was Japanese. The Japanese celebrating a Christian holiday shows how many of them WERE assimilating into American society, but the fact that they got to practice religious events at all shows a level of freedom they were given.

Meanwhile the jews in the camps were singing sad songs about the time their Polish town was burned down during a pogrom. They continued in spite of the hardship, while the Japanese in the camps experienced no such hardship, which is why they look clean and happy in the band photo you posted.
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comparing american jap camps to nazi jew camps is absurd and retarded
it's like comparing getting thrown in county jail for a week to being on death row in federal prison. like yeah both are "locked up" and "behind bars" but the situations are so fundamentally different, it's not comparable at all
 
DumbDude43 said:
comparing american jap camps to nazi jew camps is absurd and retarded
it's like comparing getting thrown in county jail for a week to being on death row in federal prison. like yeah both are "locked up" and "behind bars" but the situations are so fundamentally different, it's not comparable at all
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>implying the holocaust wasn't a summer camp that only had 271k deaths from accidental slips and falls

ngmi zogbot
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
Then it's not "America First" then. It's just "Corporations and Rich People" first, fuck everyone else.
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No actually it is America First, the problem is there are a lot of freeloaders in the country.

Not speaking of Veterans or the severely Disabled.

Most of the time it's being sapped off rather than actually helping people in need:
- The Illegals brought into the country and giving blank checks/free care, screwing over hard working citizens.
- The Hoodrats who get pregnant at 18 and then spend the majority of their life cashing in free healthcare and EBT.
- The Drug Addicts who claim mental disability so that way they don't just croak over from a OD.
- The Managerial class that builds up and bloats the system due to how overreaching it is

Retards like you don't seem to get the full picture because you're caught up in your feelings ignoring the reality of what's going on over here.
Whether because you're part of the problem (like that BradeRunna guy) or because you have this utopian ideal of things without actually recognizing the reality on the ground.
 
Conan said:
The libertarian thinks using the government in any situation is bad and doing anything against leftists will lead to stalinist executions but by doing nothing and allowing the government to be commandeered by leftists, the stalinist executions are being carried out anyway.
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To me, I would think the libertarian would be in favor of overthrowing government if it infringes on their rights, but then just stop when they have the freedom to act as they please. It sounds like the government itself isn't the main issue, rather the people in charge of the government that misuses their power. What is the point of principles when your opposition has no principles against you?
 
Conan said:
The libertarian thinks using the government in any situation is bad and doing anything against leftists will lead to stalinist executions but by doing nothing and allowing the government to be commandeered by leftists, the stalinist executions are being carried out anyway.
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Learned helplessness, the political philosophy. Never fix anything and take it up the ass because taking action is against your "principles".

It's a goddamn miracle that Milei is able to actually apply a libertarian program, mostly since he actually understands he needs government power to apply his program, and that nobody gives a shit about Argentina as of now, but lets see what happens when it being the most decent country in south america again brings hordes of migrants in and how a free market believer handles that.
 
Dammit Mandrake! said:
Categorically untrue. Ask me about my mid-life circumcision.
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Maimonides wrote

The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable. For if at birth this member has been made to bleed and has had its covering taken away from it, it must indubitably be weakened. The Sages, may their memory be blessed, have explicitly stated: It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate from him. In my opinion this is the strongest of the reasons for circumcision.
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I'll take your word for it
 
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