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Is it weird to say I never understood why child labor is a thing? Like the aveegre child is weaker that the avenge adult man and you want them to run a factory that would require a good bit of strength? That doesn't make sense to me the only reason why you would hire children is if you could pay them less(which is the reason why they did that) its even stranger now that there are some people (you know exactly which ones I'm talking about) want to bring child labor back like why? Why repeat the same mistakes again just so you could make 0.5% more money.
Children are more replaceable. You can grow another 5-year-old in five years, so if one gets maimed in an accident it's not really a big deal, just throw it into the incinerator and get another one.
 
You hire children to fit in the tight spaces between the machinery, where a grown man can't go.
Midgets also serve this purpose but have the buff of adult intelligence so less child abuse/death.

But the thing is child labor back in the day was less that and more just cheap sweatshop shit.
 
I can't believe I've found the endpoint of all moral, political, and philosophical thought, and it's just "The correct side is the one that negotiates the best." Getting smarter sucks.
 
Children are more replaceable. You can grow another 5-year-old in five years, so if one gets maimed in an accident it's not really a big deal, just throw it into the incinerator and get another one.
It's a great thing Theodore Roosevelt was president and got rid of this.

Child oyster shuckers from 1909; even if this was the tail end of the child labor stuff, this is horrific:

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Lmao. Can you motherfuckers entertain points of view without accepting them? I didn't say I acktually accept the definition of morality or whatever I laid out. But your example, a yardstick, is a completely arbitrary, socially determined unit of measure and matches what I said to the T. Anyway, didn't meant to wade into the middle of this because I legit don't care.
Yeah that's... why I used yards instead of meters in a hypothetical about the futility of arguing against society only using the tools society gives you. Glad you caught that.

Anyway, just put my two cents in because moral subjectivists throwing popcorn from their box seats in the view from nowhere always makes my skin crawl.
 
Is it weird to say I never understood why child labor is a thing? Like the aveegre child is weaker that the avenge adult man and you want them to run a factory that would require a good bit of strength?
But the thing is child labor back int he day was less that and more just cheap sweatshop shit.
It used to be that children were extra hands around the farm, or another hand on the production line. That changed after the Gilded Age due to things like trade unions and labor reforms.
 
It used to be that children were extra hands around the farm, or another hand on the production line. That changed after the Gilded Age due to things like trade unions and labor reforms.
In most states child labor is still allowed in agriculture and fishing as long as they also go to school and don’t work over a certain amount of hours.

T. Started working at 9
 
Why in the world are you chuds arguing about whether rape is a social construct or not?
I think I started this by accident! I brought up New York's violent crime statistics in response to Pajeet Patheaterkid saying violence is an artificial construct, and rape was my example of how he was being callous and retarded to victims of violence. Especially since he wants to let criminals out of prisons.

I would apologize but this slapfight is very very very entertaining and I shouldn't apologize for good art and never will.

Also hi everyone! Happy Saturday afternoon!
 
I understand @Diana Moon Glampers ‘s point, it was carefully phrased but it didn’t work. If it’s something that exists amorally in the animal kingdom but which humans have identified as a moral evil for us, it makes sense to me to say it’s a human social construct. That doesn’t diminish it. I think this whole argument is based on a misunderstanding and an (understandable) knee-jerk reaction to a sensitive subject. Stop fighting, you’re all on the same side.
 
I know, I was talking about the times before compulsory schooling.
Yeah, I’m not for child labor but think there is a convo to be had about forcing 14-19 year olds who don’t want to be in high school and want to work to stay in high school and if that’s working for society because I don’t think it does. We need to stop framing a 4 year degree as a must have.

I don’t know ultimately tho I come from a place where kids want to work because it’s advantageous not because they have to, and I see the argument for why that’s different.
 
show me she's always on my side by annoying me when I just want to watch the game and get drunk???
Not the person you were replying to but this sentence interested me. How is someone annoying you showing you they are on your side? Maybe you aren't actually annoyed and enjoy her company and are simply being sarcastic?
 
If it’s something that exists amorally in the animal kingdom but which humans have identified as a moral evil for us, it makes sense to me to say it’s a human social construct. That doesn’t diminish it.
It does actually diminish it as it:

Commits to the naturalist fallacy
Makes the concession that somehow it's 'a moral evil for us, which we have identified' which leads into;
Acceptance of morality as ultimately subjective which then leads into;
Observable negative outcomes/harms are matters of opinion which then leads into;
That which is observed, and can have opinions formed of it, is subjective that ultimately distills further to;
Any aspect of society that comes from human thought is up for debate and/or is a product of culture.

The golden median fallacy is for children and objective morality exists. It does not mean that objective morality exists in equivalence, and it is a topic that requires nuance and genuine understanding making it unfit for handling by mentally malformed ideologues who take positions based on persuasion rather than correctness.

Rape is not a social construct, end of discussion. I am not and never will be on 'the same side' as someone, on this, who is promulgating insanity as reason.
something is not a matter of opinion merely because people can disagree, agree, name, and define it.

There are people who have believed varying creation myths, does that mean that the Big Bang is a social construct? Varying peoples have had differing cosmologies, does that make heliocentrism a social construct?
It's worth reiterating because A: people here don't fucking read and B: because it's the cornerstone of these arguments being broken into pieces.

At the bottom of the glass of subjective morality is the concept of a solipsistic reality in which we as humans can dictate terms to reality itself. QED gender is not a social construct for the same exact fucking reasons.
 
Would Captain Planet consider putting marbles up your cousin's ass to be rape, and if so would he consider it to be a social construct?
I think Captain Planet would be more concerned about recycling the marbles.
I think I started this by accident! I brought up New York's violent crime statistics in response to Pajeet Patheaterkid saying violence is an artificial construct, and rape was my example of how he was being callous and retarded to victims of violence. Especially since he wants to let criminals out of prisons.

I would apologize but this slapfight is very very very entertaining and I shouldn't apologize for good art and never will.

Also hi everyone! Happy Saturday afternoon!
It happens. The thread quieted down after all the Iran doomers got BTFO and the recent attempt to derail the thread with the Supreme Court ruling feature failed because it was a Total Chud Victory. Can't doompill and shill Groypers or Tucker Carlson with that. So here we are: discussing rape statistics and the morality of rape.

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