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Should be a wild four years.

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nothing else can solve the problem.
outsourcing your immigration policy to the lunatic dictator next door because you refuse to police your own borders is not a good approach to statesmanship, it's retardation.
Odd that we invest so much energy into ousting the dictators who are doing the job for us, and none into fixing that problem ourselves, oh well better just continue doing the thing that will make that problem worse!
 
Still can’t see public being cool with another Middle East campaign with Americans on foreign soil/sand. Now bankrolling a foreign force to fight in the region and supplying weapons while drone bombing? Sounds likely.
It really feels like Trump is very weak on this. Israel obviously struck against Iran without his get-go, but instead of reprimanding them and not getting involved, he goes off and joins them, with the whole world knowing that Israel played him for a chump. Couple that with Putin ignoring Trump's feeble warnings on Ukraine, and it really feels like the president is being disrespected on the global stage. The only time he was given "proper" respect was with Qatar, and it was less respectful and more "we can't afford to keep this one jumbo jet, so we'll sprice it up a bit and give it to Trump as a half-hearted gift."
 
Iran has been fucking around for a long time and finally found out. I say pay Best Korea a visit next. :lol:
 
I missed it going down live, but before I left I was concerned there were quite a lot of tweets about how the B2s were on the way. I'm not sure why or how that got out.. I guess it didn't matter anyway though.

And now saw they didn't go to Guam anyway, so probably a psyop.
When the B2's aren't in Missouri they go to Diego-Garcia off the East cost of Africa, not Guam.
 
He's saying it won't be a long engagement where we fight in a quagmire for 20 years. You're just having trouble mentally processing it, but the message is simple.

Right but that's the rub...we are in these long engagements and this is an extension of them, one in a long line of these actions and by a figure who was supposed to be anti-war and who's supporters continue to say he's somehow anti-war after bombing another country. This is the fucking forever war.

Now the public may, and that's a very big may, tolerate it because there's no boots on the ground, but let's not pretend this is anti-war. The fact they even need to trout out JD to say something like this means they know how it looks. Mind you, he's trying to have it both ways, like a lot of modern propaganda (it's not happening and it's a good thing it is).
 
Okay, so after the establishment of the state of Israel, any cases of something like that before we decided to back the kikes to the hilt?
at that point in time we were not servile to Israel. We wanted to persuade the unaligned movement mainly Nasser to join us in the cold war, the legwork was done by the British, Americans had little involvement in the creation of Israel.
 
I mean, the whole region was pretty chill before the kikes came along.

Once upon a time, a Christian could walk through Jerusalem without some rabbi spitting on him, or getting groped by gross yeshiva kikes if they’re a woman.
Uhhh what? There were literally Crusades because Muslims not only prevented Christians from going to the Holy Land for a thousand years, but also to get them the fuck out of Europe. What are you smoking, my man?
I blame the french. They shit up everything they are involved in and backstab constantly.
Vietnam agrees. That whole situation could have been avoided if the French just honored their agreements with the Vietnamese.
 
That's quite ironic since France has bein backstabbed by a lot of country the last few years. Australia and America being one of them.
But the blaming game help getting ride of unwanted guilt, a sort of coping mechanism.
Ah yes, they have done us so well in the Civil War, Vietnam, and the Cold War among others and certainly didn't botch managing Lebanon as they did Vietnam. Historically they have been shitty allies who are retarded and inept at best or connaiving at worst.
 
I have said before but the arabs need kings. You could make a list of every arab muslim country that is doing ok-ish and they are all monarchies (Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Kuwait, Oman, Barhain). On the other hand, look at their republics: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Libya... Republicanism simply does not work for them because it leaves a political void and there is no force to oppose the clergy / clerics which is way more potent in the muslim world than it is for us. A king provides a counter-power to the clerics and usually keeps the imams in check (because the king doesn't need this kind of competition).
I think the biggest reason Republicanism doesn't work in the Arab world is due to the tribal nature of the Arab states themselves. Remember, most of these countries were never historical nation states as we understand them, but rather collections of tribal groups bound together inside old territorial boundaries set up by European powers. With a King, there was an understanding that he's the ruler of a kingdom/empire and thus is obliged to care for the kingdom as a whole, thus all the various tribes will be taken care of. With a Republic, in the Arab world that became not the idea that you're representing an individual or your district but representing your group - your tribe - and so the only way to secure power for your tribe was to secure power over the state as a whole, thus leading to military coups (usually initiated by the tribe that made up the majority of the armed forces) and putting an often minority tribe into power (see Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya).
 
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Ah yes, they have done us so well in the Civil War, Vietnam, and the Cold War among a others and certainly didn't botch managing Lebanon as they did Vietnam. Historically they have been shitty allies who are retarded and inept at best or connaiving at worst.
There is zero gain in helping America, you can see that even more today. They treat their allies worse then their enemy.
 
The same Jews that dragged France into bombing Lybia ain't gonna let Frontex machine gun the boats buddy. Get rid of Jews and you get rid of refugees.
Yeah sure buddy. It’s the Jews. Always the Jews. You can maybe argue Germany is under the influence of former East German communist party members but the King of Britain, for no reason, was literally doing a stolen land opening while Ireland is in the mist of population replacement and rioting against it. Meanwhile the most hardcore supporter of deportations in the Trump administration is Jewish. Jews hate whites, I get that, but the current stage of things is definitely more complex than saying “Jews” over and over again. 2016 it’ll get a laugh out of me but these days it’s so tiresome and interwoven across a multiple of levels (((noticing))) doesn’t quite cut it. Sure it goes back to the Frankfort school after WW2, but there’s a deeply embedded ideology that a mix of whites supporting anti white ideology alongside minorities doesn’t neatly wrap things up.
 
Ah yes, they have done us so well in the Civil War, Vietnam, and the Cold War among others and certainly didn't botch managing Lebanon as they did Vietnam. Historically they have been shitty allies who are retarded and inept at best or connaiving at worst.
The problem is France has not been stable. They have a new republic every 30 years. People shit on the UK, especially for its choices over the past 20 years, but they are historically more consistent. The UK also gave up its colonies while the French said they would give them up and then held onto them tooth and nail. It's a whole production with France.
 
every time i link this arab twink's channel people seethe but you can pick literally any video he's ever made about the US-Israeli relationship and just be gobsmacked with how well documented, how blatant, how obscene the Israeli rape of America has been.
I tried to explain Isreal to a ching-chong after he asked what the deal with the Jews was, and really the best I could come up with on short notice was "imagine the Chinese but worse" and he was like "oh shit, it's that bad?"
 
To be fair, teachers are on average incompetent retards. It wouldn't actually help anything.
If teachers had guns, a lot of students would be shot. And it would be justified because students attack and assault their teachers somewhat regularly.

Glad no children were injured in the church shooting. You could see a lot of children in the sanctuary on video.
 
Means nothing to aircraft, next time you're on a plane see if you can spot the color of a car in somebody's driveway near the horizon.
USS Liberty false flag denial in the year of our Lord 2025 LOL

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Thomas Hinman Moorer, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, accused President Lyndon B. Johnson of having covered up that the attack was a deliberate act.

Captain William L. McGonagle of Liberty immediately asked Vice Admiral William I. Martin at the United States Sixth Fleet headquarters to send a destroyer to accompany Liberty and serve as its armed escort and as an auxiliary communications center. The following day, Admiral Martin replied: "Liberty is a clearly marked United States ship in international waters, not a participant in the conflict and not a reasonable subject for attack by any nation. Request denied."

Official testimony combined with Liberty's deck log establish that throughout the morning of the attack, 8 June, the ship was overflown, at various times and locations, by IAF aircraft.

Liberty crewmembers say that one of the Noratlas aircraft flew so close to Liberty that noise from its propellers rattled the ship's deck plating, and that the pilots and crewmembers waved to each other.

At about 05:45 Sinai time, a ship-sighting report was received at Israeli Central Coastal Command (CCC) in respect of Liberty, identified by an aerial naval observer as "apparently a destroyer, sailing 70 miles [110 km] west of Gaza". The vessel's location was marked on a CCC control table, using a red marker, indicating an unidentified vessel. At about 06:00, the aerial naval observer, Major Uri Meretz, reported that the ship appeared to be a U.S. Navy supply ship; at about 09:00 the red marker was replaced with a green marker to indicate a neutral vessel.

After the naval observer's Noratlas landed and he was debriefed, the ship he saw was further identified as USS Liberty, based on its "GTR-5" hull markings.

Secretary of State David Rusk in a statement to the Israeli ambassador:
"At the time of the attack, the USS Liberty was flying the American flag and its identification was clearly indicated in large white letters and numerals on its hull. ... Experience demonstrates that both the flag and the identification number of the vessel were readily visible from the air ... Accordingly, there is every reason to believe that the USS Liberty was identified, or at least her nationality determined, by Israeli aircraft approximately one hour before the attack. ... The subsequent attack by the torpedo boats, substantially after the vessel was or should have been identified by Israeli military forces, manifests the same reckless disregard for human life."

George Lenczowski - Professor of Political Science at University of California Berkeley wrote:
"It was significant that, in contrast to his secretary of state, President Johnson fully accepted the Israeli version of the tragic incident." He notes that Johnson himself included only one small paragraph about the Liberty in his autobiography, in which he accepted the Israeli explanation, minimized the affair and distorted the number of dead and wounded, by lowering them from 34 to 10 and 171 to 100, respectively. Lenczowski further states: "It seems Johnson was more interested in avoiding a possible confrontation with the Soviet Union, ... than in restraining Israel."

McGonagle received the Medal of Honor, the highest U.S. medal, for his actions. The Medal of Honor is usually always presented by the president of the United States in the White House, but this time it was awarded at the Washington Navy Yard by the Secretary of the Navy in an unpublicized ceremony.

Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations after the Liberty incident, said that he "cannot accept the claim by the Israelis that this was a case of mistaken identity"

The National Security Agency (NSA) report on the event included declassified documents which stated:
"Every official interview of numerous Liberty crewmen gave consistent evidence that indeed the Liberty was flying an American flag—and, further, the weather conditions were ideal to ensure its easy observance and identification."

In the report by the Israeli Government after the incident, it was acknowledged that IDF naval headquarters knew at least three hours before the attack that the ship was "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy"

After conducting his own fact-finding inquiry and reviewing evidence, Judge Yerushalmi's decision was: "I have not discovered any deviation from the standard of reasonable conduct which would justify committal of anyone for trial." In other words, he found no negligence by any IDF member associated with the attack.

In 1991, Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of the incident, wrote:
"I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."

In 2002, Captain Ward Boston, JAGC, U.S. Navy, senior counsel for the Court of Inquiry, said that the Court of Inquiry's findings were intended to cover up what was a deliberate attack by Israel on a ship that the Israelis knew to be American. In 2004, in response to the publication of A. Jay Cristol's book The Liberty Incident, which Boston said was an "insidious attempt to whitewash the facts", Boston prepared and signed an affidavit in which he said that Admiral Kidd had told him that the government ordered Kidd to falsely report that the attack was a mistake, and that Boston and Kidd both believed the attack was deliberate.

The 1981 book Weapons by Russell Warren Howe says that Liberty was accompanied by the Polaris ballistic missile-armed Lafayette-class submarine USS Andrew Jackson, which filmed the entire episode through its periscope but was unable to provide assistance. This film has never been declassified and released to the general public.
 

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