Men, Where Have You Gone? Please Come Back. - Female pornographer laments men staying at home, playing vidya and wanking.

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Troy and I were having dinner at Mama Delia, one of the quieter spots. The sidewalk patio held five tables: three two-tops, including ours, and a pair pulled together for a group of eight women. At those tables, Troy was the only man.
The scene was beautiful — low lights, shared plates, shoulders angled in. The kind of evening people wait for all winter. Still, I found myself watching the crowd as it moved past us: women walking in pairs or alone, dressed with care. At table after table at the nearby restaurants, there was a noticeable absence of men — at least of men seated in what looked like dates.
Troy and I have known each other for almost 20 years. We met at Playboy, of all places, back when we were both learning how desire gets packaged, sold and sometimes misunderstood. We stayed close friends, bonded not just by our opinions, but by the effort it takes to stay in someone’s life.
That night, we made the effort. Still, what I saw unfolding around us felt like something else entirely: a collective shift I couldn’t unsee.
It started to become clear the previous April, when a man who had been pursuing me canceled a dinner at the last minute. There was a scheduling mix-up with his son’s game. I understood. I’m a hockey mom; I get it. Still, I went. I wore what I would have worn anyway. I took the table. I ordered well. And I watched the room.

Only two tables nearby seemed to hold actual dates. The rest were groups of women, or women alone, each one occupying her space with quiet confidence. No shrinking. No waiting. No apologizing.
That night marked something. Not a heartbreak, but an unveiling. A sense that what I’d been experiencing wasn’t just personal misalignment. It was something broader. Cultural. A slow vanishing of presence.

About grieving what’s not meeting us. And about refusing to dress it up as personal failure when it’s actually a collective reality.
So here’s what I’ll say: You are missed. Not just by me, but by the world you once helped shape.
We remember you. The version of you that lingered at the table. That laughed from the chest. That asked questions and waited for the answers. That touched without taking. That listened — really listened — when a woman spoke.
You are not gone, but your presence is thinning. In restaurants, in friendships, in the slow rituals of romantic emergence.
You’ve retreated — not into malice, but into something softer and harder all at once: Avoidance. Exhaustion. Disrepair.
Maybe no one taught you how to stay. Maybe you tried once, and it hurt. Maybe the world told you your role was to provide, to perform, to protect — and never to feel.

But here’s what’s real: We never needed you to be perfect. We needed you to be with us. Not above. Not muted. Not masked. Just with.
And you can still come back. Not by becoming someone else, but by remembering what connection feels like when it’s honest and slow. When it’s earned and messy and sacred.
We’re still here, those of us who are willing to cocreate something true. We are not impossible to please. We’re not asking for performances.
We are asking for presence. For courage. For breath and eye contact and the ability to say, “I’m here. I don’t know how to do this perfectly, but I want to try.”

Come back. Not with flowers or fireworks, but with willingness. With your whole, beautiful, imperfect heart.
We’re still here. And we haven’t stopped hoping.
As for me, I’ll keep showing up. Not because I’m waiting. Because I know what it feels like when someone finally arrives.

Oops, forgot my heckin Archive.
 
These aren't women from bars or dating apps, it's at church where everyone says you need to be to find a good woman.
You gotta be careful when picking up women at church - if you've ever met a "born again" christian woman who went down that path to absolve herself of spending her 20s and most of her 30s in the most profligate way possible and found her to be an insufferable hole, you know what i'm talking about. (To the BP denizens in here, men do this too, I'm sure, but men don't need to use religion to sweep 20 years of promiscuity as badly. I find most born again christcucks of either gender to be thoroughly intolerable company.)
 
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I'd really also like to double down on the physical and emotional violence that men used to domineer their households towards their partners and children. Unless you think it's acceptable to inflict violence on women and children to impose your will on them as long as you pay their bills I guess..?
This is where you're confused. You saw a movie that had domestic violence in it and you're confusing that with an actual memory of something that really happened. In reality, men have never been into hitting women and kids outside of occasional weirdo freaks. Men are actually pretty sentimental.
 
Maybe no one taught you how to stay. Maybe you tried once, and it hurt. Maybe the world told you your role was to provide, to perform, to protect — and never to feel.
This verbal diarrhea is the reason I am not looking back. Every problem men are facing is packed into one line. Treating men's behavior as some failure of education instead of an aspect to be naturally regulated. Implying women are entitled to instant commitment, and not bowing to such must be a lack of blank slate brainwashing. Blaming traditional roles after women all but destroyed them, replaced by equally contradictory standards which pressure men harder than the toxic masculinity cope they try victim-blaming men with. All this crying about men is a self-fulfilling prophecy that creates exactly what they feared.
 
It's very simple, really. While women are the gatekeepers of sex, we men are the gatekeepers of relationships. You've figured this out this way too late in the game, roastie.
 
The reason this is a retarded statement isn't because 'gender war bullshit' directly will cause societal problems en masse, but the fact that the reason you even needed to make this statement is what will do it.

The fact you felt the need to say this belies the notion that it's something that can be ignored.

Now, there's a discussion to be had about the stuff surrounding this stupid article including it's weird LLM vibe but denying that there's a problem at all is the worst of a few bad options.
lol calm down, people talk about stupid shit all the time.
Besides, so far no one in the thread actually talked about what can measure the problem, only tiktok tier evolutionary psychology talks, raging, baseless gloating and of course the reddit stickers.
 
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it honestly seems to me that a lot of women kind of want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be just like men but also still want all the little perks that came with the way things previously were.

I know it's a cliche, but it's kind of terrifying how correct 1984 was. A big part of the way Big Brother controlled people was by pitting men and women against each other, Women were super suggestible and easily swayed by progagahda so they were the most ardent supporters of Big Brother. Exactly like what we see happening now.
 
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Idk why anyone bothers arguing with a person who uses darksidephil as an avatar; only bottom dwelling retard niggers find him interesting.
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There seem to be a lot of these, "Fish cries that there are no good bicycles around," articles these days.

The way she speaks is so utterly repulsive, it's like she's trying to sound like a better person than she really is, but is too retarded to make it sound convincing.

What strikes me is this sort of therapeutic language she's using. Camille Paglia and Karen Straughn are far more interesting because they've taken time to think about how our society has become gynocentric and hostile to men.

This is just some roastie shrieking into the darkness, "Where have all the good men gone??" There's no critique of society, no thinking about what actually got things here. Men have checked out, and she misses seeing men around, and she knows how lonely modern women are (even if she's got somebody herself).

Well, you ladies put all the lights out. Now it's dark. Oh well.
 
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Unless you think it's acceptable to inflict violence on women and children to impose your will on them as long as you pay their bills I guess..?
No, and I have never met, from ages 20-85, in my highly conservative area, a single man of any stripe who would find that notion any less than unequivocally evil, let alone agree to it. Where did you even get the idea that what you suggested is a widely accepted principle?
 
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lol calm down, people talk about stupid shit all the time.
If my milquetoast post got you to react this way I'd hate to see how you react to someone actually responding passionately.
Besides, so far no one in the thread actually talked about what can measure the problem, only tiktok tier evolutionary psychology talks, raging, baseless gloating and of course the reddit stickers.
This might as well be a non-sequitur so I'll ask why exactly you feel the need to reassure people here that it's only an online phenomenon for terminally online people, if that really is the case.

I don't agree with you or the position you're against, fwiw.
 
This might as well be a non-sequitur so I'll ask why exactly you feel the need to reassure people here that it's only an online phenomenon for terminally online people, if that really is the case
I came here to see if they had any arguments for their perspective while putting mine. Not reassuring anything.
No, and I have never met, from ages 20-85, in my highly conservative area, a single man of any stripe who would find that notion any less they unequivocally evil, let alone agree to it. Where did you even get the idea that what you suggested is a widely accepted principle.
Widely accepted would be a stretch, but there are some regions on the globe where it's seen as daily life or at least with apathy.
Although generally in the west, the problem was not widespread wife beating, but potential repercussions of women losing their husbands as source of sustenance.
 
I came here to see if they had any arguments for their perspective while putting mine. Not reassuring anything.
Okay, if your perspective is that it's a purely online phenomenon that only appears to be real to terminally online people, why do you feel the need to comment at all? If it's not a 'perspective', and is merely observed reality, why not just move on?

I mean, my position as I said is that there's a lot more than just antipathy to be discussed as far as it is concerned but, if you're going to be the guy who shows up and says 'nothing is happening unless you dump statistics at my feet' while not giving any rationale of your own as to why your position is accurate let alone even disclosing why you felt the need to comment in the first place, I don't understand why you'd feel it's some kind of victory for people to react with hostility.

You stated your position with no less certainty than the people you're opposed to without even attempting to justify your position beyond 'it just is bro lmao'. Surely you can see how that would ruffle feathers?
Widely accepted would be a stretch, but there are some regions on the globe where it's seen as daily life or at least with apathy.
Like, this here. Do you have a source for this that would hold up to your own standard that you're demanding of others for their positions? I hesitate to think you do.
 
Like, this here. Do you have a source for this that would hold up to your own standard that you're demanding of others for their positions? I hesitate to think you do.
One can easily point out at the shit that happens in places like India or muslim nations.
Inb4 >Lol brown people
still people like any other.
The burden of proof is upon them, but so far I only got reddit downvotes.
 
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To a naive man someone breaking into a spiel like this would be heartwarming.
Kind of like an embrace.
The learned man knows that this bitch wants you closer so she can stab you in the back without having to break a sweat.

Whore.
 
I just want a woman who knows how to give a decent blow/handy. Women be like “Awwwwwwyyyeeeahhg!!! I’m a freak! I am so amped up to rock your world, baby!! I’m the queen of pleasure! Ahhhhh!!”

women will tell you how kinky they are but won't do shit like get fisted in a vaccuum bed and they're obsessed with having an orgasm
 
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The general sentiment of this thread is that women have ruined the prospect of dating through their willingness to shift the culture as a gender. I definitely feel like there's not much representation of men's actions before and during that which may have prompted that shift in the first place.

I think my issue, personally, is that men are romanticizing the nuclear family of the 50's without addressing the physical and emotional abuse that many many men used to leverage control over their households. Women weren't just "pleased as punch" to be making a pot roast that had to be on the table at 4pm, she was going to get her ass beat if it wasn't. Not to mention the absolute swath of men across the country that fucked everyone in their household until privacy was essentially dismantled.

I dont know where I'd come down on the issue at the moment, but treating the male gender as an impotent victim in the situation is pretty gay.
No job in that era was soul crushing. The income to debt ratio climbed much later. Work is far more soul crushing now and the pay is far far less when compared to the cost of living.

I'd really also like to double down on the physical and emotional violence that men used to domineer their households towards their partners and children. Unless you think it's acceptable to inflict violence on women and children to impose your will on them as long as you pay their bills I guess..?

Sorry I beat you up yesterday, honeybun. But I invented this vacuum cleaner to make your chores easier!
Please dear, keep up the good work! Keep educating the boys out here on how y'all really see the world.

Yep. I remember being in elementary school and hearing the girls talk about how they were superior to boys. A concept (one gender superior to another) that I had never even considered at that age, but it had already been installed in them by their mothers, their teachers, and so on. Feminism cultivated this for decades and now we all live in the rot.
Its a naturally occurring belief which is why it was so easy for it to be instilled. Nobody can take a look at the world, and not come away with the view that men are the superior sex. Its simply impossible to traverse every aspect of human life, and not see objective reality. Most people don't wanna be told their inferior, or lesser in some fashion. Even if it isn't meant cruelly. They just don't wanna accept it, however it takes a lot of self delusion, and mental illness to deny reality. Which is partly why women are so dysfunctional.

In reality, men have never been into hitting women
And that's a major reason why women are the way they are. Women have no problem engaging in violence. Even when there is no sane justification for it. The fact that men vehemently deny our second greatest strength both confuses them, and makes them hate us. If they were the stronger sex, they'd have no qualms about hitting us. Most of them don't even now.

No, and I have never met, from ages 20-85, in my highly conservative area, a single man of any stripe who would find that notion any less they unequivocally evil, let alone agree to it. Where did you even get the idea that what you suggested is a widely accepted principle?
I also live in a highly conservative area, and I can say with 100% accuracy that enough men around here will not be beaten in their own homes by their wives or girlfriends. When push comes to shove, when the slapping, or the hitting doesn't stop after the first or second blow. Usually after a heated argument, men retaliate. Conservative men do it, liberal men do it, white men do it, black men do it, Christian men do it, and Atheist men do it. That's where she got the idea. Women don't think like men. When you say men find the thought of hitting a woman evil, she assumes you mean under any circumstance, 100% of the time. Doesn't matter if she's hitting you, or abusing a child, or any scenario you can think of. When you say its never acceptable, they take you at your word.
 
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