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Mikoyan said:
Given all that above surely it's not a time to push more weird divisive bullshit at FA...
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...oh. No more gender settings. It's all keywords so you can be body type A and B!
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Easily one of the dumbest changes FA has ever done.

"Tags are more gender inclusive!"

Yeah and? Tags already existed. There was nothing stopping you from leaving the gender field set to "none/any" and then using tags to say "enbymascboipuss" or whatever the fuck. Most trans artists already did that anyway. And if this is such an issue, why does the "species" dropdown still exist? Couldn't the same argument be made for that: delete it and everyone just has to tag how they "feel" their character's species is?

Also the Drpy guy in didelphigina's post has it dead on. If this is really meant to be about how users "identify" themselves... why doesn't the user profile have a "gender" box to fill in? There's a species box there! Why is it instead now everyone else's responsibility to tag art that has nothing to do with them in a way that "includes" a tiny minority?

Just a really, really dumb change all around that does nothing but make the site even worse to browse for no benefit other than making genderspecials feel like they "won".
 
sex haver said:
Easily one of the dumbest changes FA has ever done.

"Tags are more gender inclusive!"

Yeah and? Tags already existed. There was nothing stopping you from leaving the gender field set to "none/any" and then using tags to say "enbymascboipuss" or whatever the fuck. Most trans artists already did that anyway. And if this is such an issue, why does the "species" dropdown still exist? Couldn't the same argument be made for that: delete it and everyone just has to tag how they "feel" their character's species is?

Also the Drpy guy in didelphigina's post has it dead on. If this is really meant to be about how users "identify" themselves... why doesn't the user profile have a "gender" box to fill in? There's a species box there! Why is it instead now everyone else's responsibility to tag art that has nothing to do with them in a way that "includes" a tiny minority?

Just a really, really dumb change all around that does nothing but make the site even worse to browse for no benefit other than making genderspecials feel like they "won".
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Feels like Sciggles really let the ball roll, and Dragoneer was holding things together. Now we have troons and other mentally ill wanting notoriety.

They'll swear to you that species is necessary because you can "look, touch and feel" the species, but no one controls the gender.
For that I say:
 
sex haver said:
"Tags are more gender inclusive!"

Yeah and? Tags already existed. There was nothing stopping you from leaving the gender field set to "none/any" and then using tags to say "enbymascboipuss" or whatever the fuck. Most trans artists already did that anyway. And if this is such an issue, why does the "species" dropdown still exist? Couldn't the same argument be made for that: delete it and everyone just has to tag how they "feel" their character's species is?
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The funny part is I am seeing gay men complaining the most in comments which I wasn't expecting. They say instead of just filtering for male characters they now have to use a bunch of modifiers example:" male masculine -female -feminine -woman -mtf -transgender -the 80 million fake genders made by people who support this change" and then hope that it's tagged properly.

Gay porn most affect, happy pride month fags from Furaffinity.


Edit: They actually just reverted the update lol Source Ghost

It had additional consequences that had not been taken into account
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Translation: We thought it would piss off the very small group of ring wingers on our website but instead fags were most affected, oops.
 
Google.com said:
Edit: They actually just reverted the update lol Source Ghost
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Pfffft ahahaah:

Lastly, Fur Affinity is staffed in large by volunteers. That said, that should not be an excuse for poor behavior. We do expect all our staff to respond to users with constructive and polite comments at all times. This did not happen yesterday in a few replies, and we apologize greatly for this as well. The moderators in question have been spoken to, and it has been reiterated to our entire staff that they are here to serve the community as a whole.
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The smug posting by the trannies in favor of making the site worse just to "affirm their gender" or whatever pissed off enough people they are actually apologizing for it, wow. I did not expect this response.
 
As much as I’d like to think FA reverted the update because people complained, the more likely explanation is that outright removing the gendered terms broke something in the site’s code. Faced with the choice of dealing with a site more broken than it already is or simply reverting the update and trying something else, they went with the latter. And to be fair, not gutting part of your site’s functionality is the more sensible solution.
 
Pinball 2000 said:
the more likely explanation is that outright removing the gendered terms broke something in the site’s code.
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The way it's worded does make it seem like it's a deeper issue then just "people are upset which is why we are reverting our position."

I do think it still is shocking they apologized for some staffs actions. Curious what happened in those comments that even made FA make such an apology. 🤔
 
Pinball 2000 said:
As much as I’d like to think FA reverted the update because people complained, the more likely explanation is that outright removing the gendered terms broke something in the site’s code. Faced with the choice of dealing with a site more broken than it already is or simply reverting the update and trying something else, they went with the latter. And to be fair, not gutting part of your site’s functionality is the more sensible solution.
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The site is made out of painters tape and maintained by retards. If it broke something it'd be down for a month.
 
Desumorphine said:
That's one hell of a way to describe someone.
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Don't the Furry Raiders pretend to preach loving acceptance for all furries as part of their grooming method? How fucked up as a person do you gotta be that even the Furry Raider decide they don't want you?

Corn Flakes said:
Low barrier of entry, maybe?

I don't know how much a full set of BDSM leathers costs, but I bet a 30-buck pup hood is way cheaper than the rest of the outfit. Throw one of these on, find a place where gay men go for hookups, profit?
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Quality leather costs money, just as a material. Having it skillfully crafted, even for something as simple as a belt, costs more money. There's a reason your basic who-cares brand sneakers will cost less than $100, but a pair of quality leather dress shoes or work boots will cost several hundred or even several thousand dollars. If I can't get a decent actually-leather belt for $30, I somehow doubt that $30 pup hood is even so much as "bonded leather". Real leather that is strong enough to BDSM properly, without risk of (unconsenting) injury can't be that cheap.

The Purple Ghost said:
The actual staff in question has responded as well. Revealing themselves to be; "BabyDrake" - Link
Looks to be a trans(?) babyfur
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Soda Can said:
This is the journal I saw first and it just links off from there: https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/11159724/

Phone posting at the moment, so my shits all stupid.
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The bird with tourettes said:
The way it's worded does make it seem like it's a deeper issue then just "people are upset which is why we are reverting our position."
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They have to imply that there's more to the issue than just people being mad, or else face the wrath of marauding troon gangs for "catering to transphobes". Managing retards online is a delicate business.

Although, with the way FA is designed I wouldn't be that surprised if it was in fact load-bearing homosexuality.
 
Doktor Grimm said:
They have to imply that there's more to the issue than just people being mad, or else face the wrath of marauding troon gangs for "catering to transphobes". Managing retards online is a delicate business.

Although, with the way FA is designed I wouldn't be that surprised if it was in fact load-bearing homosexuality.
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I mean, removing the gender drop-down straight up cripples the browsing function, which is by far the most utilized feature on the site, being that it is the only reliable way to actually find shit. So, yeah, it probably was that lol
 
Desumorphine said:
I mean, removing the gender drop-down straight up cripples the browsing function, which is by far the most utilized feature on the site, being that it is the only reliable way to actually find shit. So, yeah, it probably was that lol
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Yep, and randomly choosing submission IDs is a total crapshoot. Probably able to make it automated though.
 
I think I noticed something: it seems those who are not "furries" like anthro-animal characters looking cool or intimidating, like the Kzinti of the '70s animated Star Trek. Meanwhile, it seems that people who are "furries" like anthropomorphic characters to look disturbingly sexual -- despite the animal heads (that are usually canine in looks).
 
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Can anyone who is a web dev explain. They removed gender seemingly on a whim, but adding it back in is some kind of massive undertaking. Why? Couldn't they just roll it back to a previous version?

And, I won't put money on this, but I have suspect they'll only revert the change after pride month is over.
 
Judge Dredd said:
Can anyone who is a web dev explain. They removed gender seemingly on a whim, but adding it back in is some kind of massive undertaking. Why? Couldn't they just roll it back to a previous version?
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It's very bold of you to assume Furaffinity has anything approaching a versioning system.
 
Google.com said:
Edit: They actually just reverted the update lol Source Ghost
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Laughed like mad scrolling through the thread of people arguing whether "constantly changing your gender whenever you feel like it because you can't make up what you want to be and making it everyone else's problem" (aka genderfluid) counts as a real sexuality or not. God, we love em' fighting out a new one. Thread lasted way longer than I expected. Some of them were even asking, "I thought this community was inclusive and accepting... how could someone dare question a sexuality/gender/romance label and not blindly slobber all over it or keep quiet about it?? I'm appalled, truly.". There's even numerous threads of people fighting each other about if being called a herm is a slur toward intersex's or not. Intersex people may exist but if I see a whole bunch of them in a single FA thread, I'm casting doubt.

This is what happens when you coddle someone that everyone has to be accepted and approved without question. This genuinely is the reason behind the drop down removal and then reverted update. The desperation to be inclusive and trying to appease to a minority within a minority within a minority. It's an exhaustive thing to keep your heads over, trying to not offend anyone and being told to accept anything and everything lest you want to be called the next Hitler in the making.

Furries, not even once, man. :story:
 
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didelphigina said:
There's even numerous threads of people fighting each other about if being called a herm is a slur toward intersex's or not. Intersex people may exist but if I see a whole bunch of them in a single FA thread, I'm casting doubt.
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How the fuck is this even an argument on the table, aren't these people supposed to be furries? They should be more than familiar that hermaphrodite characters are a huge historical fetish of the furry fandom and that they were presented as-is since the fetish was just "What if I had a character who in their inhuman biology, had both a functional penis and a vagina?" There was some early sequence break pronoun insanity with those characters too, with the "Hir" pronoun which I have no idea how it's pronounced but it's probably like "Here" or some awkward crap like that.

That's how you can tell these are newfurfags that are the main shit stirrers of this stuff I guess. They don't know their history. Herm absolutely isn't a slur because the only people online that I have ever seen use the term in the first place has been furries and /d/-generates to describe this specific character type, which is not envisioned as "intersex" but rather as just a deviant fantasy. It's just an abbreviation for hermaphrodite, which is as plain of a term as it gets for describing this. Lunacy!
 
Chrono Legion said:
How the fuck is this even an argument on the table, aren't these people supposed to be furries? They should be more than familiar that hermaphrodite characters are a huge historical fetish of the furry fandom and that they were presented as-is since the fetish was just "What if I had a character who in their inhuman biology, had both a functional penis and a vagina?" There was some early sequence break pronoun insanity with those characters too, with the "Hir" pronoun which I have no idea how it's pronounced but it's probably like "Here" or some awkward crap like that.

That's how you can tell these are newfurfags that are the main shit stirrers of this stuff I guess. They don't know their history. Herm absolutely isn't a slur because the only people online that I have ever seen use the term in the first place has been furries and /d/-generates to describe this specific character type, which is not envisioned as "intersex" but rather as just a deviant fantasy. It's just an abbreviation for hermaphrodite, which is as plain of a term as it gets for describing this. Lunacy!
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I mean it's all just the troon oppression olympic insanity. They needed more slurs to feel oppressed by and since someone somewhere might have described trans people once as herm or futa then those became slurs. I think there's the psychological aspect to the existence of herms, futas, dickgirls, cuntboys, etc. Those clearly were all just deviant fetishes in the past to create fun sexual fantasies. Since now those are "heckin valid identities" (I almost vomited in my mouth writing that), the original terms have to become slurs because it will remind people of what they actual are, sexual fetishes and fantasies, not reality. This is why it's the same people crying "don't fetishize trans bodies" when trans people seriously have the biggest issue with fetishizing their bodies, but they don't want to see it as such. They need to live in this delusion where they aren't just living their fetish because if they recognized that, they would need to accept their whole existence is a lie. That's why those terms had to go, because they remind them of reality.

I generally still see a lot of older furs use all of those terms. A lot of them seem to intrinsically recognize that it is a fetish and a fantasy. So, while they might support "trans rights" on the surface (mainly because not doing so will get you ostracize), they probably don't hold the same level of insanity that many of these people do because they understand what it actually is.

Of course all of this exists just to remove the ability to talk about it and groom more people into being troons. No longer can we have a discussion and just tell people the truth, you've got a weird fetish, it's ok. Jerk it, keep it to yourself, and don't let it take over your existence make radical life altering decisions. Now it is no longer a fetish and we have to affirm it as their identity. We are forced to change our very language to keep up and spread the lie.
 
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