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He's gunning for the Terrorist tag the longer he carries on.
🐮 Lolcow Andrew Peter Carlson / Anaiah Carlson / Tamarlover / Xtamarlover - Jewish/Christian Wannabe Cult Leader, Stalker, Ugly af, dogfucker, mayor of spitsville
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He was for a bit and then it was removed for some reason.
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Finally read through this whole shitshow.
Quick question, @tamarlover, since you seem to be answering them. (Okay, I have a lot of questions, but only one I would expect to receive an answer to.) You say you are not a threat to Tamar's safety and have no intention of hurting her, and that this should be taken into account by her and the court system. Thing is, you've admitted to lying to her before, a few times if I recall correctly. You've even stated that you do not believe lies by omission qualify as lies, simply to avoid being called out on lying to her. So why do you expect her (or us, for that matter) to believe you when you say you're not a threat to her, when you have already proven yourself to be untrustworthy and willing to lie to achieve what you want?
Quick question, @tamarlover, since you seem to be answering them. (Okay, I have a lot of questions, but only one I would expect to receive an answer to.) You say you are not a threat to Tamar's safety and have no intention of hurting her, and that this should be taken into account by her and the court system. Thing is, you've admitted to lying to her before, a few times if I recall correctly. You've even stated that you do not believe lies by omission qualify as lies, simply to avoid being called out on lying to her. So why do you expect her (or us, for that matter) to believe you when you say you're not a threat to her, when you have already proven yourself to be untrustworthy and willing to lie to achieve what you want?
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You might be surprised then; this guy has no filter and will attempt to answer anything. I mean, sometimes you have to ask him the same question several times to get a direct answer because his responses aren't relevant, but if you steer him back on track he does candidly answer everything eventually even when the answer is an admission of criminal activity or otherwise makes him look horrible.
I would almost admire his candor if not for...well, everything else about him.
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If I had any intentions of hurting her, I would not have posted any of the information I posted on this site. Because that would be stupid to talk about my plans publicly if I had ill intentions. If I had been planning to hurt her, I would have kept quiet about any of my plans or activities involving her. Morally, I believe it is wrong to lie. What you refer to as lies of omission as I said I do not consider them lies. How can you or anyone trust what I say if I am willing to lie? Because I am only willing to "lie" in a predictable way within the confines of what i have established: lies of omission are fair game. Someone who doesn't admit they lie could be someone untrustworthy and willing to lie to achieve what they want. If someone admits to certain types of lying, that actually makes them more trustworthy than someone who says they never lie ever but who really does lie. If someone is willing to admit they do lies of omission, then there would be no reason to not admit that they do normal lies as well. Other than what I have said is i am morally against clear undeniable lying. I could go against my conscience and undeniably lie, just as any of you could do the same and lie whenever you want.
Also a good indication of lying involves motive. Does the person have a plausible motive to lie. For example, do I have a plausible motive of lying about wanting to have Tamar as my friend or wife? The overwhelming evidence indicates that it cannot be taken seriously the idea that I am lying about those things, because of all the context that has been established and I have demonstrated quite sufficiently that is an actual true desire of mine, and not a lie. In the case of whether I would hurt her, it can be shown by the entirety of my statements submitted to this site that I have no motive to hurt her, as hurting her would be completely counterintuitive to everything I want and desire. If hurting her were to supposedly gain me something, then it would be fair for someone to be concerned that I might hurt her because that's called motive. If however there is no motive to hurt her, then it would not be fair to be concerned I would hurt her. And seeing how the overwhelming evidence supports I have no motive to hurt her, there is no reason to believe I am lying when I say I will never physically hurt her.
Lies are logical by definition. As in, no one lies just for the heck of it. Lies are by definition intended to be strategic. So by looking at my strategies, you'll see when there is sufficient reason to believe I am lying and when there is sufficient reason to not believe I am lying. So you could look at any claim I make and evaluate the logical merits of it. If there are no logical merits in it at all, then there is no reason to conclude it is a lie.
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"If i'm not trying to be a piece of shit, it means i'm not a piece of shit by default!"
Whatever you tell yourself, buddy.
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You're extremely optimistic if you think anyone on this forum is going to stare blankly at your textwalls for hours on end hoping to discern your "strategies".
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You have said previously that you are cautious about what you say publicly, which would indicate that you're truthful only about things you believe (rightly or wrongly) won't invite trouble and 2) on multiple occasions your reaction to her displeasing you and not giving you what you want has been to "punish" her by trying to destroy her life.
You *have* hurt her, and quite intentionally, and you consistently try to make her responsible for that. There is no reason at all to believe that your behaviour will not escalate when 1) you travelled 700 miles unnecessarily to put yourself in her presence (and ended up worse off for doing so); 2) you absolutely intend to continue harassing her into the long term future; and 3) to the extent that you show any restraint at all it is not because you fear legal consequences but because you believe that you can eventually win her over.
There is not only reason to believe that you will continue exacting retribution when she doesn't follow your script, there's every reason to believe that your retribution will escalate. That you haven't physically hurt her so far means little - you try to control her through fear and intimidation and you're still doing that. Every stalker who ever ultimately killed their victim didn't physically harm them right up to the point where they did.
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1 Timothy 4:2
Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
sgetti
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Most of my other questions are variations of "oh god why", and in any case I'm hoping for a (slightly) more coherent answer than just irrelevant rambling.
Stupid like appealing the restraining order against you and fucking it up so badly that the judge doubles it?
Okay, so you think it's okay to lie to her and others, as long as you admit that you sometimes lie, but those lies don't actually count as lies, so you're not actually lying because lies by omission aren't actually lies...
Also, back up. Just because you don't think your lies qualify as lies doesn't mean she, or anyone else for that matter, agrees. And just because you admit to being willing to lie doesn't suddenly make you trustworthy, especially when you start splitting hairs about what counts as lying or not, and especially when you start such hair-splitting only after being caught in such a lie. That makes you seem manipulative and shifty, not trustworthy. The impression you think you're giving is "I'm trustworthy as long as you expect me not to tell the whole truth" (why you think that's a good impression, god only knows), but the impression you're actually giving is "I lie and make excuses for it when I'm caught".
Nobody thinks you're lying about being obsessed with Tamar. The concern is do you have a plausible motivation to lie about your intentions and plans? And given that you've basically oriented your entire life around this woman and your attempts to get with her, the answer seems to be a resounding yes.
As for the rest, I'll just clarify that I'm not saying you necessarily have any desire to hurt her (right now, anyway - few years down the line things might be different). I'm saying she is fully justified in believing you want to hurt her, or will try to at some point in the future. As far as she's concerned (hell, as far as I'm concerned), you have an extremely unhealthy fixation on her, indicative of some sort of untreated mental illness that will likely worsen over time until it reaches a breaking point and you find yourself wearing her skin or some shit like that.
Pathological liars do.
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Most of my other questions are variations of "oh god why", and in any case I'm hoping for a (slightly) more coherent answer than just irrelevant rambling.
Stupid like appealing the restraining order against you and fucking it up so badly that the judge doubles it?
Okay, so you think it's okay to lie to her and others, as long as you admit that you sometimes lie, but those lies don't actually count as lies, so you're not actually lying because lies by omission aren't actually lies...
Also, back up. Just because you don't think your lies qualify as lies doesn't mean she, or anyone else for that matter, agrees. And just because you admit to being willing to lie doesn't suddenly make you trustworthy, especially when you start splitting hairs about what counts as lying or not, and especially when you start such hair-splitting only after being caught in such a lie. That makes you seem manipulative and shifty, not trustworthy. The impression you think you're giving is "I'm trustworthy as long as you expect me not to tell the whole truth" (why you think that's a good impression, god only knows), but the impression you're actually giving is "I lie and make excuses for it when I'm caught".
Nobody thinks you're lying about being obsessed with Tamar. The concern is do you have a plausible motivation to lie about your intentions and plans? And given that you've basically oriented your entire life around this woman and your attempts to get with her, the answer seems to be a resounding yes.
As for the rest, I'll just clarify that I'm not saying you necessarily have any desire to hurt her (right now, anyway - few years down the line things might be different). I'm saying she is fully justified in believing you want to hurt her, or will try to at some point in the future. As far as she's concerned (hell, as far as I'm concerned), you have an extremely unhealthy fixation on her, indicative of some sort of untreated mental illness that will likely worsen over time until it reaches a breaking point and you find yourself wearing her skin or some shit like that.
Pathological liars do.
I didn't mess it up nor was I stupid in appealing it. I told the truth of what I did and why did it and was honest. Besides I was able to see her twice in 1 month. First two times I got to see her in person and hear her voice in person and I forced her to see me and hear me. That was a victory for me. If I have to suffer two years then so be it. It was definitely worth it. I don't regret it. The reason I was given two years is not because I was so dangerous she needed to be protected for two years or else I'd hurt her. But the judge wanted to punish me for my attitude about feeling entitled to her friendship and refusing to accept otherwise. The first time, the hearing was unfairly done. The second time, the trial was fairly done. So if the first hearing had been fairly done perhaps I would have been given two years. But because it was done insufficiently I was only given 1 year. And I had to appeal it so that I was given a fair time in court.
You are the one calling it lies by omission. A false name/definition. I could call anything lies but it doesn't make it so. Maybe we can call telling the truth "true lies." Because apparently you think its valid that something is a lie just because someone else says it is. Well the fact is, socalled lies by omission are not lies. And once again, even if they are lies, she herself believes lying is not wrong. Therefore, even if I were to lie to her, I would be no worse than she in that area, for she is a much bigger liar than me. As long as she likes the lie that I am doing she will support my lie. If she doesn't like the lie I did, then she won't like that I lied. You are wrong about when i start the hairsplitting. I hairsplit well before I tell the lie. I make sure its a technical truth what I'm saying before I tell the lie. I'm already prepared with my justification and defense before I make the socalled "lie".
The impression I give is that I only "lie" when there is a valid reason for doing so. Therefore, all one needs to do is determine whether there is a valid reason for me to lie in that situation. If there isn't, i'm entirely trustworthy due to my consistency and unwavering truthfulness and forthtelling nature. I am more honest and trustworthy than most people you ever met in your life. My overarching goal is to be her friend bare minimum. Anything that would clearly seriously threaten that goal or clearly seriously sabotage that goal I will never do. And if i were to ever physically hurt her, then it would be game over for me and I would never have her. My only chance to be a part of her life is to never physically attack her. I will want to be her friend forever, so there will never be a time where i cross the line to hurt her physically because if i ever did cross that line, I would lose any chance of being friends with her. Something I cannot afford to lose. Thats not the main reason I won't physically hurt though, but that's one of the reasons that is easily discernible for others who are external to my thoughts. My main reason for not physically hurting her is because I am a gentile, kind, loving person, and non-violent, and I love her. So I could never physically hurt her.
Pathological liars don't lie for no reason. There's always a reason behind their actions. always. And even if its true pathological liars lie for no reason, the overwhelming evidence proves I am not a pathological liar.
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Proverbs 6:16-20 “There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.”
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confirmed rapist
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Look closely. I said i will not do any felonies. Rape is a felony. So I am not a rapist according to that testimony.
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That is absolutely batshit insane. No wonder she doesn't want anything to do with you, if that's the sort of attitude you have towards people.
lol you were pretty quick to toss the love of your life under the bus the minute you thought it would make you look better to some internet rando. Also not sure why you think I care that she lies sometimes, because I'm pretty sure she doesn't lie about shit like "are you stalking me under an alias".
Ah, so you're not lying, you're just deliberately being obtuse and manipulative. That's better.
Oh, is that all? We can assume you're trustworthy and honest, provided we look through every single fucking thing you're saying to make sure there isn't some crucial detail you're leaving out, bearing in mind that you consider things like swapping two letters in your name by accident to be a valid reason to lie to their face about your identity.Like for instance, when you say
can we then safely assume that misdemeanors, for instance, are fair game? Remember, I asked you directly. No lying.
You have already lost that chance, mate. You lost it the moment she took you to court for a restraining order. Holy shit, what part of this are you not getting.
Yeah, you can't claim to be any of those things when you have admitted to wanting to flog people. Or to locking a kid in a dark basement as punishment for some minor kid shit. Or to manipulating people in whatever way necessary to achieve your end goals.
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Anyone who would physically terrorise a helpless toddler and justify doing so is going to have no qualms about doing the same to an adult given the opportunity. He already emotionally and psychologically terrorises Tamar, knows that he does and finds justifications for doing so. He's explicitly said he intends to do so in the future.
I'd ask him if he's ever tortured small animals, but I don't really want to know the answer - and it's unnecessary given that he admits to torturing a small human.
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That is absolutely batshit insane. No wonder she doesn't want anything to do with you, if that's the sort of attitude you have towards people.
lol you were pretty quick to toss the love of your life under the bus the minute you thought it would make you look better to some internet rando. Also not sure why you think I care that she lies sometimes, because I'm pretty sure she doesn't lie about shit like "are you stalking me under an alias".
Ah, so you're not lying, you're just deliberately being obtuse and manipulative. That's better.
Like for instance, when you say
can we then safely assume that misdemeanors, for instance, are fair game? Remember, I asked you directly. No lying.
You have already lost that chance, mate. You lost it the moment she took you to court for a restraining order. Holy shit, what part of this are you not getting.
Yeah, you can't claim to be any of those things when you have admitted to wanting to flog people. Or to locking a kid in a dark basement as punishment for some minor kid shit. Or to manipulating people in whatever way necessary to achieve your end goals.
"can we then safely assume that misdemeanors, for instance, are fair game? Remember, I asked you directly. No lying." I explicitly told her that i might be willing to do misdemeanors if I felt justified in doing so. That was one of the key pieces of evidence submitted that made the judge rule against me.
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James 4: 2-3
2 You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God.
3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
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Okay, wow.
Just for funsies, I found out that Tamar's in Virginia, and I looked up what sort of shit qualifies as a misdemeanor there. Turns out it includes such lovely shit as simple assault, sexual battery, brandishing or pointing a firearm, vandalism, identity fraud, trespassing, and indecent exposure. So, you admitted to her, in a courtroom, that you'd be willing to do something like that if you felt justified.
Are you maybe starting to understand why everyone thinks you're a dangerous psycho?