2025 Israel vs Iran War

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Catch The Rainbow said:
Talk to the IAEA.
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There is only one reason for a country like Iran to enrich uranium to 60% U-235. It has no purpose in a country not building nuclear reactors for ships, not building high-tech research and breeder reactors, and not doing medical research. Iran hasn't been doing any of that at a level to justify the amount of 60% enriched it has stockpiled. 60% is a convenient and standard technical intermediate point in the process to enrich it up to 90% or more, and the only use for that is to make a big boom. Iran should have been found in non-compliance with the NPT in April 2021 when it announced 60% enrichment and handled then

Iran's government is the one that says it is in accord with the Shah's government signing the NPT in 1968 and ratifying it in 1970. If it is, the stockpiling of hundreds of kilograms of 60% U-235 is inexplicable. Violating the NPT like this was supposed to be about as serious as it gets in global politics, completely intolerable, any violator was in big trouble. Guess not, until now
 
Dirty Harry said:
Someone correct me. According to everything I have read, the USA does have massive bunker busting bombs and the B2 stealth aircraft to deliver them. But they can not be put on a missile and they are dropped from the B-2 and use gravity and GPS to guide to their target. My question is, if they are indeed gravity driven once dropped, wouldn't the Iranians be able to detect it dropping from the plane and using simple aircraft defense shoot it down considering how slow it would take only using gravity? Especially considering the size they are or do the bunker busters have stealth themselves?
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No. I don't think people really understand what all goes on with military operations especially when something like a B-2 is deployed. People have gotten into this trap of severely downplaying what the US military and it's equipment used by Israel is capable of and how genuinely far behind a country like Iran is to defend against it. The F-117 is like a babies toy compared to what is around now.

The level of electronic warfare even by just an F-35 preforming electronic warfare duties is going to be on levels they've never trained for. Their AD over Tehran is basically gone. Even if they did have everything up and running during a strike elsewhere, Iran is not at the level to detect and shoot down a 20ft long object with a diameter of 31 inches before it impacts within less than a minute.
 
Catch The Rainbow said:
Iran treats Christians worse than KSA

https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/persecution/countries/
Despite this the number of Christian converts are rising by a lot
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Yeah, I'm sure that's a completely legitimate list and it's just another cohenincidence that "Greatest Ally" happens to be absent from it despite having explicit laws banning
Christian proselytizing while many of those other countries listed do not. It's definitely not just another USAID/CIA front to push pro-sodomy "western values" under the guise of protestant Christianity on countries which reject globohomo.
 
Fanatical Pragmatist said:
Okay so, Devil's Advocate, the argument here is we invite the "mutual" part by directly getting involved.
I.E. if we DONT drop the GBU-57 on Fordo, no American servicemen get killed, no Saudi pipelines get blown up and no civilians get potentially terror attacked.


I'm neither strongly for nor strongly against.

The US dropping the MOP would barely be remembered a decade from now; but Israel has already made a bitch of Iran's air defense and their air force is basically a non-factor so I'm not opposed to sitting back and letting them run wild on Iran.
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Remember when Trump dropped a MOAB on ISIS during his first term? It's barely a footnote now.
 
Million Dollar Word said:
Yeah, I'm sure that's a completely legitimate list and it's just another cohenincidence that "Greatest Ally" happens to be absent from despite having explicit laws banning
Christian proselytizing while many of those other countries listed do not.
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If you ever want an entertaining read, look into Jews for Jesus and what some of their opponents have to say about them. They'd give any jihadi a run for their money.
 
draggs said:
There is only one reason for a country like Iran to enrich uranium to 60% U-235. It has no purpose in a country not building nuclear reactors for ships, not building high-tech research and breeder reactors, and not doing medical research. Iran hasn't been doing any of that at a level to justify the amount of 60% enriched it has stockpiled. 60% is a convenient and standard technical intermediate point in the process to enrich it up to 90% or more, and the only use for that is to make a big boom. Iran should have been found in non-compliance with the NPT in April 2021 when it announced 60% enrichment and handled then

Iran's government is the one that says it is in accord with the Shah's government signing the NPT in 1968 and ratifying it in 1970. If it is, the stockpiling of hundreds of kilograms of 60% U-235 is inexplicable. Violating the NPT like this was supposed to be about as serious as it gets in global politics, completely intolerable, any violator was in big trouble. Guess not, until now
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Yes but we're talking about a global political sphere that would jerk off a muslim "refugee" while he's raping a woman because his back hurt. Nobody was going to stop Iran from going further except Israel saying no and attacking them before anyone but the U.S. could weigh in.
 
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How does this man keep finding work?
 
Meat Target said:
Remember when Trump dropped a MOAB on ISIS during his first term? It's barely a footnote now.
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Yeah but ISIS was an ebul non-state actor while Iran is a heckin valid state! Gotta RESPEKT their authority, mkay?

Plus, if only Drumpf hadn't scrapped King Obama's holy nuke capitulation deal then Iran would totally be our BFF right now.
 
Million Dollar Word said:
it's just another cohenincidence that "Greatest Ally" happens to be absent from it despite having explicit laws banning
Christian proselytizing
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No it doesn't. It has laws that apply to all religious preaching

1. You cannot give someone material benefits for converting
2. You cannot preach to minors.

The law you're thinking of was introduced but never passed and Netanyahu personally killed it. I've seen plenty of Christian preachers in Jerusalem.
 
COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST said:
For what, so he can be "more marketable" and tell us the next vax is safe and effective? I just learned from Tucker's video snippet that Ted Cruz is willing to confirm (possibly by accident) that the United States is assisting Israel in their bombardments; something that I think people assume, but is (or was) not the official story. Tucker might be a spaz but he also did something no other journalist has so far, get a U.S. senator to admit we're helping Israel with more than just rote defense policy.
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So he can do something journalistic and useful, which is his purported aim. It would be good to have someone (sober and focused) asking hard hitting questions of world leaders! Warmed over nonsense about UFOs, vaccines, the Kennedy assassination, etc. completely and totally undercuts that objective.

I re-watched the segment with Cruz. I don't see the scoop. Cruz says, "We are carrying out military strikes today." He then clarifies that "we" refers to Israel (actually conducting the strikes) and the U.S. (in a supporting role). Maybe I'm too close to these things, but was there ever doubt that the U.S. would provide intelligence, munitions, etc. in support of Israel's strikes on Iran? This is what Trump means when he talks about knowing where the Ayatollah is, or the superiority of U.S. weapons over Iranian air defenses. "We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran."

Idk, if the U.S. has been secretly conducting military strikes against Iran, then I'll sub to the Tucker Network. But to me, this reads like Tucker gotcha nonsense.
 
Supplemental Authority said:
So he can do something journalistic and useful, which is his purported aim. It would be good to have someone (sober and focused) asking hard hitting questions of world leaders! Warmed over nonsense about UFOs, vaccines, the Kennedy assassination, etc. completely and totally undercuts that objective.

I re-watched the segment with Cruz. I don't see the scoop. Cruz says, "We are carrying out military strikes today." He then clarifies that "we" refers to Israel (actually conducting the strikes) and the U.S. (in a supporting role). Maybe I'm too close to these things, but was there ever doubt that the U.S. would provide intelligence, munitions, etc. in support of Israel's strikes on Iran? This is what Trump means when he talks about knowing where the Ayatollah is, or the superiority of U.S. weapons over Iranian air defenses. "We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran."

Idk, if the U.S. has been secretly conducting military strikes against Iran, then I'll sub to the Tucker Network. But to me, this reads like Tucker gotcha nonsense.
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It 100% comes off as gotcha journalism, and it's made to look that way because of his stance on intervening. It's literally just there to make him and his position look like the smart one.
 
Yours Truly 2095 said:
No. I don't think people really understand what all goes on with military operations especially when something like a B-2 is deployed. People have gotten into this trap of severely downplaying what the US military and it's equipment used by Israel is capable of and how genuinely far behind a country like Iran is to defend against it. The F-117 is like a babies toy compared to what is around now.

The level of electronic warfare even by just an F-35 preforming electronic warfare duties is going to be on levels they've never trained for. Their AD over Tehran is basically gone. Even if they did have everything up and running during a strike elsewhere, Iran is not at the level to detect and shoot down a 20ft long object with a diameter of 31 inches before it impacts within less than a minute.
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seriously though, it's not like it's the bible or anything but bombing to win is an interesting book with an interesting thesis and a lot of literature around it, and precision bombing and satellite imaging has created an environment where the shortcomings of things like Rolling Thunder can be replaced with effective decapitation campaigns, effective and strategic deindustrialization in target industries, and remarkably painful economic warfare at a much lower cost than equivalent dumb bombing.
 
Catch The Rainbow said:

Col. Nathan McCormack was removed from his position with the Joint Chiefs of Staff for anti-Israel X posts.

They included calling Israel a “death cult” and referring to its government as “Netanyahu and his Judeo-supremacist cronies,” among other things.
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It gets worse...

The Israel planning chief at the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Col. Nathan McCormack, believes that Israel is a "death cult," America's "worst ally" and seeks to "cleanse ‘Eretz Israel’ of ethnic Palestinians," according to his semi-anonymous X account.

Experts told me his posts revealing travel, conversations with foreign partners and "anti-Israel rants" were "gobsmacking," "dangerous," "out of place in a Pentagon" that works so closely with Israel, and potential foreign intelligence threat.


A groyper was in charge of Israel planning at the jsc
 
Harambe said:
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seriously though, it's not like it's the bible or anything but bombing to win is an interesting book with an interesting thesis and a lot of literature around it, and precision bombing and satellite imaging has created an environment where the shortcomings of things like Rolling Thunder can be replaced with effective decapitation campaigns, effective and strategic deindustrialization in target industries, and remarkably painful economic warfare at a much lower cost than equivalent dumb bombing.
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The accuracy of bombing now is insane. The US has even retrofitted B-52 carpet bombers to be precise payload delivery that just loiters and drops precision munitions on targets. Which was done against Wagner in Syria when they engaged US forces. Absolute massacre.

She's from the 50s but she's still got it.

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It's worth mentioning that this moment now has and will continue to expose who is a real person that has principles and can see through the propaganda and those that are cowards and hypocrites. It's worth really trying to have a clear head and not getting swept up in the emotion and the fervor of cataclysmic events like these.
 
Harambe said:
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seriously though, it's not like it's the bible or anything but bombing to win is an interesting book with an interesting thesis and a lot of literature around it, and precision bombing and satellite imaging has created an environment where the shortcomings of things like Rolling Thunder can be replaced with effective decapitation campaigns, effective and strategic deindustrialization in target industries, and remarkably painful economic warfare at a much lower cost than equivalent dumb bombing.
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That needs an extra checkbox for airplanes are support for ground forces because Call of Duty killstreaks.
 
Harambe said:
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seriously though, it's not like it's the bible or anything but bombing to win is an interesting book with an interesting thesis and a lot of literature around it, and precision bombing and satellite imaging has created an environment where the shortcomings of things like Rolling Thunder can be replaced with effective decapitation campaigns, effective and strategic deindustrialization in target industries, and remarkably painful economic warfare at a much lower cost than equivalent dumb bombing.
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Also the f35 radar can burn people which is cool. I cooka da Persians!
 
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