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Should be a wild four years.

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That study is kind of BS to me. They had them read a super anachronistic text that was the opening scene setting bit of a longer work. They had them sentence by sentence out loud try to translate it into modern English to explain what was going on and had a twenty minute time limit. I don't think I could do it in twenty minutes out loud and I don't think that means I can't read.

CHAPTER I​

In Chancery​

London. Michaelmas term lately over, and the Lord Chancellor sitting in Lincoln’s Inn Hall. Implacable November weather. As much mud in the streets as if the waters had but newly retired from the face of the earth, and it would not be wonderful to meet a Megalosaurus, forty feet long or so, waddling like an elephantine lizard up Holborn Hill. Smoke lowering down from chimney-pots, making a soft black drizzle, with flakes of soot in it as big as full-grown snowflakes—gone into mourning, one might imagine, for the death of the sun. Dogs, undistinguishable in mire. Horses, scarcely better; splashed to their very blinkers. Foot passengers, jostling one another’s umbrellas in a general infection of ill temper, and losing their foot-hold at street-corners, where tens of thousands of other foot passengers have been slipping and sliding since the day broke (if this day ever broke), adding new deposits to the crust upon crust of mud, sticking at those points tenaciously to the pavement, and accumulating at compound interest.

Fog everywhere. Fog up the river, where it flows among green aits and meadows; fog down the river, where it rolls defiled among the tiers of shipping and the waterside pollutions of a great (and dirty) city. Fog on the Essex marshes, fog on the Kentish heights. Fog creeping into the cabooses of collier-brigs; fog lying out on the yards and hovering in the rigging of great ships; fog drooping on the gunwales of barges and small boats. Fog in the eyes and throats of ancient Greenwich pensioners, wheezing by the firesides of their wards; fog in the stem and bowl of the afternoon pipe of the wrathful skipper, down in his close cabin; fog cruelly pinching the toes and fingers of his shivering little ’prentice boy on deck. Chance people on the bridges peeping over the parapets into a nether sky of fog, with fog all round them, as if they were up in a balloon and hanging in the misty clouds.

Gas looming through the fog in divers places in the streets, much as the sun may, from the spongey fields, be seen to loom by husbandman and ploughboy. Most of the shops lighted two hours before their time—as the gas seems to know, for it has a haggard and unwilling look.

The raw afternoon is rawest, and the dense fog is densest, and the muddy streets are muddiest near that leaden-headed old obstruction, appropriate ornament for the threshold of a leaden-headed old corporation, Temple Bar. And hard by Temple Bar, in Lincoln’s Inn Hall, at the very heart of the fog, sits the Lord High Chancellor in his High Court of Chancery.

Never can there come fog too thick, never can there come mud and mire too deep, to assort with the groping and floundering condition which this High Court of Chancery, most pestilent of hoary sinners, holds this day in the sight of heaven and earth.

On such an afternoon, if ever, the Lord High Chancellor ought to be sitting here—as here he is—with a foggy glory round his head, softly fenced in with crimson cloth and curtains, addressed by a large advocate with great whiskers, a little voice, and an interminable brief, and outwardly directing his contemplation to the lantern in the roof, where he can see nothing but fog. On such an afternoon some score of members of the High Court of Chancery bar ought to be—as here they are—mistily engaged in one of the ten thousand stages of an endless cause, tripping one another up on slippery precedents, groping knee-deep in technicalities, running their goat-hair and horsehair warded heads against walls of words and making a pretence of equity with serious faces, as players might. On such an afternoon the various solicitors in the cause, some two or three of whom have inherited it from their fathers, who made a fortune by it, ought to be—as are they not?—ranged in a line, in a long matted well (but you might look in vain for truth at the bottom of it) between the registrar’s red table and the silk gowns, with bills, cross-bills, answers, rejoinders, injunctions, affidavits, issues, references to masters, masters’ reports, mountains of costly nonsense, piled before them. Well may the court be dim, with wasting candles here and there; well may the fog hang heavy in it, as if it would never get out; well may the stained-glass windows lose their colour and admit no light of day into the place; well may the uninitiated from the streets, who peep in through the glass panes in the door, be deterred from entrance by its owlish aspect and by the drawl, languidly echoing to the roof from the padded dais where the Lord High Chancellor looks into the lantern that has no light in it and where the attendant wigs are all stuck in a fog-bank! This is the Court of Chancery, which has its decaying houses and its blighted lands in every shire, which has its worn-out lunatic in every madhouse and its dead in every churchyard, which has its ruined suitor with his slipshod heels and threadbare dress borrowing and begging through the round of every man’s acquaintance, which gives to monied might the means abundantly of wearying out the right, which so exhausts finances, patience, courage, hope, so overthrows the brain and breaks the heart, that there is not an honourable man among its practitioners who would not give—who does not often give—the warning, “Suffer any wrong that can be done you rather than come here!”

Who happen to be in the Lord Chancellor’s court this murky afternoon besides the Lord Chancellor, the counsel in the cause, two or three counsel who are never in any cause, and the well of solicitors before mentioned? There is the registrar below the judge, in wig and gown; and there are two or three maces, or petty-bags, or privy purses, or whatever they may be, in legal court suits. These are all yawning, for no crumb of amusement ever falls from Jarndyce and Jarndyce (the cause in hand), which was squeezed dry years upon years ago. The short-hand writers, the reporters of the court, and the reporters of the newspapers invariably decamp with the rest of the regulars when Jarndyce and Jarndyce comes on. Their places are a blank. Standing on a seat at the side of the hall, the better to peer into the curtained sanctuary, is a little mad old woman in a squeezed bonnet who is always in court, from its sitting to its rising, and always expecting some incomprehensible judgment to be given in her favour. Some say she really is, or was, a party to a suit, but no one knows for certain because no one cares. She carries some small litter in a reticule which she calls her documents, principally consisting of paper matches and dry lavender. A sallow prisoner has come up, in custody, for the half-dozenth time to make a personal application “to purge himself of his contempt,” which, being a solitary surviving executor who has fallen into a state of conglomeration about accounts of which it is not pretended that he had ever any knowledge, he is not at all likely ever to do. In the meantime his prospects in life are ended. Another ruined suitor, who periodically appears from Shropshire and breaks out into efforts to address the Chancellor at the close of the day’s business and who can by no means be made to understand that the Chancellor is legally ignorant of his existence after making it desolate for a quarter of a century, plants himself in a good place and keeps an eye on the judge, ready to call out “My Lord!” in a voice of sonorous complaint on the instant of his rising. A few lawyers’ clerks and others who know this suitor by sight linger on the chance of his furnishing some fun and enlivening the dismal weather a little.
 
That study is kind of BS to me. They had them read a super anachronistic text that was the opening scene setting bit of a longer work. They had them sentence by sentence out loud try to translate it into modern English to explain what was going on and had a twenty minute time limit. I don't think I could do it in twenty minutes out loud and I don't think that means I can't read.
To be fair and transparent on my end, There's a myriad of other posts about it and examples of broken information parsing but it's all twitter posts and I am loathe to link to social media too often unless it's to point and laugh because the formatting of it all gives me a spiritual hemorrhoid.

A lot of them couldn't even parse a single accurate iota of meaning out of the declaration of independence and other similar examples of historical documents.
Despite even being allowed to refer to it on hand and in some cases were even allowed access to their phones and the internet during the whole thing.

Edit: Found it again to at least drop an example. Again, one sentence. The first sentence.

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They had them read a super anachronistic text
The twenty minute time limit is bullshit but this is not the reason. If you're an English major this shouldn't be 'super anachronistic'. It's really not something I'd expect a high schooler to have trouble with.

The reason the time limit is bullshit is because it's a lot of text if you're supposed to actually line-by-line recompose it in modern English. Forty or sixty minutes would've been fine.

Edit: I thought the writing seemed familiar. I've never read the Bleak House by Dickens, but Dickensian works are not 'super anachronistic'. They're much easier to comprehend than Shakespearean English or the K.J.V.
 
I would call that protowoke. It's a refusal to acknowledge irrationality, stupidity, and the enjoyment of hatred. It's a very dangerous mindset that is still running a lot of the West.
That's not protowoke. Wokeism isn't about refusal to acknowledge irrationality, stupidity and the enjoyment of hatred. Wokeism is irrationality, stupidity and the enjoyment of hatred. The woke don't think 'Oh, if only we could all understand each other, we'd all get along'. No, they don't want to understand their ideological opponents, they want to bully them into accepting their narrow worldview on a small selection of topics, typically race, gender, sexuality and climate change, with no room for nuance, debate or criticism, or no concern for deeper issues.

For that reason alone TNG is not even 'protowoke'

And the left do acknowledge irrationality, stupidity or the enjoyment of hatred. It's just that they either disingenuously deny those things, or try to argue that those things are justified because the people engaging in them are oppressed. They'd argue that the ANC in South Africa have the right to kill the white farmers and confiscate their land because the white farmers oppressed them all those years ago, for example.
You saw the same shit with that awful animaniacs reboot. “We were always political!” Yes, you always made political and cultural jokes, but you weren’t hyper lefty and Republican bashing.
Yeah, that annoyed me too. Like you say, they made political and cultural jokes, but they weren't sharp like that, you know? They were just gentle jabs, it was a kids' show. They made fun of Democrats and Republicans almost equally, they took the piss out of Bill Clinton almost constantly.

They could never do anything like that now because they don't know how to approach political topics without propagandising them
 
They were under strict time pressure and going line by line. The way people read is more holistic than that. You sometimes won't comprehend things in paragraph one until you get to the later context in paragraph three. My approach to something like this in real life would be to read the whole sample first, not go line by line. Under time pressure and without the greater context, they guess and sloppily try to figure it out.

Listen, we can quibble about some details here but at the end of the day the idea that this study proves they can't read is obviously not true. It's sensationalized journo-science.
 
Listen, we can quibble about some details here but at the end of the day the idea that this study proves they can't read is obviously not true.
I want to be optimistic too, but it's not looking too good with the other examples on hand even if we're not laser focusing on the ye olde lit.
Especially with the people responding or understanding on par with this.

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Okay you have twenty minutes from now, record yourself to prove you can read.
problem is that they couldn't comprehend this

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'There was mud everywhere such that it would appear the Great Flood had just ended, and it wouldn't be so surprising to see a dinosaur walking around.'

I didn't need to take two years of college as an English major to be able to parse that sentence the first time I read it.

I reiterate, these niggers can't read.
 
'There was mud everywhere such that it would appear the Great Flood had just ended, and it wouldn't be so surprising to see a dinosaur walking around.'

I didn't need to take two years of college as an English major to be able to parse that sentence the first time I read it.

I reiterate, these niggers can't read.
So that's a no then, you aren't going to prove you can read? You have 16 and a half minutes left if you want to give it a shot.
 
I recently binge rewatched TNG and I was really struck by the repetition of the plotline where war and/or destruction of the Enterprise almost happens because of a misunderstanding but once everyone understand each other they all behave like rational actors and everything is peachy

I would call that protowoke. It's a refusal to acknowledge irrationality, stupidity, and the enjoyment of hatred. It's a very dangerous mindset that is still running a lot of the West.
That's mainly a result of Roddenberry being an uber-idealist who believed humans could become so rational that children would one day accept the death of a parent without shedding a tear.
The pilot of DS9 was basically the writers of that series calling Gene out on how implausible that mindset is.
 
You seem to have failed to read the portion of the instructions where you need to be doing this out loud and you need to do the whole text.
You failed to read:
The reason the time limit is bullshit is because it's a lot of text if you're supposed to actually line-by-line recompose it in modern English. Forty or sixty minutes would've been fine.
but please continue to have an autistic pants-filling fit over the clear fact these people cannot read at the level that they are supposed to be at for a collegiate English course.

Yes, they absolutely should not be having reactions where they think the section about 'big whiskers' is referring to a fucking cat, or that Dickens was describing ambulatory fossils slouching uphill like some necromancer was at work.

You're being retarded.
 
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