Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Useful_Mistake]

Oh, it doesn't follow to other cases?

Permission to proceed IFP is a one time permission to open a singular case for free for litigation.

 

[Silver Coin Anon]

So what I've learned is that people generally have NO CLUE how courts work (even after spoonfeeding by U_M).

I find it upsetting that our courts are that confusing since justice and the courts for addressing grievances should be available to all men, but on the other hand I am glad retards are kept from hurting themselves and not yet broadly aware how easy it is to abuse the courts to hurt others.

One could pick a random name in the phone book, file IFP, and bankrupt an innocent person since a lawyer to have it thrown out costs more than they are worth and filing themselves in their defense would fail since courts are 90% technicalities of filing. Miss a single one and its over, themalicious retard owns you with all the strength and violence of the courts and police.

People laugh and it is funny to a point, but I've gotten kind of disgusted over this case and what it represents as time goes on.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Oh, it doesn't follow to other cases?

It doesn't even carry through to appeals. He has to apply to each Court.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I find it upsetting that our courts are that confusing

Wait till you learn about how NY courts are structured. It literally makes no sense. Even the courts themselves are confused on how exactly they are structured.

 

[obsdj]

So what I've learned is that people generally have NO CLUE how courts work (even after spoonfeeding by U_M).

I find it upsetting that our courts are that confusing since justice and the courts for addressing grievances should be available to all men, but on the other hand I am glad retards are kept from hurting themselves and not yet broadly aware how easy it is to abuse the courts to hurt others.

One could pick a random name in the phone book, file IFP, and bankrupt an innocent person since a lawyer to have it thrown out costs more than they are worth and filing themselves in their defense would fail since courts are 90% technicalities of filing. Miss a single one and its over, themalicious retard owns you with all the strength and violence of the courts and police.

People laugh and it is funny to a point, but I've gotten kind of disgusted over this case and what it represents as time goes on.

There's really no excuse. Unless you're collarbone-deep in some sort of complex corporate finance case, most legal documents aren't that hard to read and understand for a person of moderate intelligence. The problem is nobody wants to do the reading and make an effort to understand. They want to watch Matlock or CSI or whatever cop-and-lawyer TV show is their favorite and assume that's how court cases work. "Ain't nobody got time" to read court filings or watch uncommentated livestreams of court proceedings, but there's always time for Matlock and stupidity.

This is how we had 75% of the country claiming that Florida had a "Don't Say Gay" law -- because nobody could be fucking bothered to actually read the text of the bill. Always time to be outraged and organize protests, never time to just pull up the legislature and read what the law really says.

 

[Harvey Danger]

This makes Hardin 2 for 2 on revoking IFP status for obnoxious assholes. (Assuming the recommendation in Acerthorn's case gets accepted by the District Judge.)

That "defending Kiwi Farms" sub-specialty is getting more impressive by the day!

 

[oh no its pipkun]

He's going to pay the fee, and he's going to produce the documents.

Russell'll pay the fee, get the document and then send Hardin an email demanding repayment of his travel costs and court fees because he did hardin a huge favor.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I think even if Greer somehow STILL forgets to mark it correctly, Hardin will not file it as an exhibit. Bennett sounded like he was specifically telling both sides that he does not want to see it posted on Kiwi Farms and if he does it was heavily implied that he will make Josh eat a giant shit sandwich over it. I think he did this as a safety net in case Greer still fucks it up somehow.

Bennett was making it amply clear to RUSS (not really to null or the farms except as an aside) that ANY excuse about how he couldn't "poo the needfull" would be immediately met with complete disbelief (by the judge) and sanctions would be slapped around,.

I assume he's going to subpoena Judge Bennett to get him to explain how he's supposed to add these additional parties to his case.

This would be a 200% big brain move, because then the Judge would have to recuse himself, as a party in the case! It took a legal mind like Russ to figure this one out.

One could pick a random name in the phone book, file IFP, and bankrupt an innocent person since a lawyer to have it thrown out costs more than they are worth and filing themselves in their defense would fail since courts are 90% technicalities of filing. Miss a single one and its over, themalicious retard owns you with all the strength and violence of the courts and police.

In "real life" 90% of this never even gets to anything, and if presented with this situation, defend pro se until it's real enough to need a lawyer.

Now if you said "pick any random LLC in the phone book" ....

 

[DavidS877]

there's always time for Matlock

Speaking of that, I wonder if Potentially Criminal had time to watch and take notes today and if he's going to do a stream or wait until the official order document(s) come out.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

This is how we had 75% of the country claiming that Florida had a "Don't Say Gay" law -- because nobody could be fucking bothered to actually read the text of the bill. Always time to be outraged and organize protests, never time to just pull up the legislature and read what the law really says.

No, that was because the Journalists willfully lied about it.

 

[Emanems]

Now that he isn't IFP and is flush with cash his best bet would be to hire a lawyer to figure out how to serve them.

Hey I know a couple of lawyers Russ could retain ...

Spoiler

 

[Uncle Buck]

So what I've learned is that people generally have NO CLUE how courts work (even after spoonfeeding by U_M).

I find it upsetting that our courts are that confusing since justice and the courts for addressing grievances should be available to all men, but on the other hand I am glad retards are kept from hurting themselves and not yet broadly aware how easy it is to abuse the courts to hurt others.

One could pick a random name in the phone book, file IFP, and bankrupt an innocent person since a lawyer to have it thrown out costs more than they are worth and filing themselves in their defense would fail since courts are 90% technicalities of filing. Miss a single one and its over, themalicious retard owns you with all the strength and violence of the courts and police.

People laugh and it is funny to a point, but I've gotten kind of disgusted over this case and what it represents as time goes on.

What you don't understand is that it's better that 100 totally innocent people have their lives destroyed by frivolous litigation than one piece of human excrement like Stabby, Fatty Bloblinson, Thomas J. Wassersperg, the Russtard or the Mountebank not have the right to sue for butthurt. Or, at least, that's what some people think. In the minds of some, it should be essentially impossible for anyone to be ruled a vexatious litigant because......rights, or something.

 

[Greasy Goblin]

This is how we had 75% of the country claiming that Florida had a "Don't Say Gay" law -- because nobody could be fucking bothered to actually read the text of the bill. Always time to be outraged and organize protests, never time to just pull up the legislature and read what the law really says.

Disagree, this was an intentional deception like how "somehow" like 25% of people still think Rittenhouse's "victims" were black.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Or, at least, that's what some people think

That's what the First Amendment says, or so the Supreme Court has decided for better or worse.

 

[Uncle Buck]

That's what the First Amendment says, or so the Supreme Court has decided for better or worse.

Like many things, I don't believe frivolous litigation filed by retards being made fun of because they think they have a right to sex with Taylor Swift because she might have once or twice created a piece of performance art out of a fan's submission was what The Founders had in mind when they codified the right to redress grievances against the government in the context of the previously enumerated rights.

 

[lol cow supreme]

A few retard takes, now that I've been able to decompress from attending and almost dying of laughter at hearing Hardin utter the word "Russtard". Those quoted are just those who made me think of these but feel free to rate the takes R for Retard

That's what IFP is - an ability to open a case for free.

Besides filing fees being payable are there any other consequences to revocation of IFP status?

If the answer is likely to tip Shitlips off on how to proactively counter it, nevermind.

As for the IFP status, my thought on having that stripped was paramount to the ultimate good ending of getting sanctions and fees awarded back to Null/Hardin to restock the legal fund from all this wasteful litigation that is going to go nowhere. Greer was already sanctioned with fees, and the consensus was the Judge was really tard-guarding by reducing the already discounted fees turned in by Hardin to a mere $1000. I, and others, have thought this was in part due to Greer's IFP status. The Judge awarded a painful amount from someone who could not even produce the $402 fee. Now the cloak of IFP is shed, it may lead to more fair sanctions.

Will Greer take the gamble and pay the $400 on high hopes the case is not dismissed?

Or will he not pay them to save $400 to just be left with sanctions?

I know what option I would choose to save $400.

I don't even know if I want to utter this, but I will (and janny discretion to remove it) the loss of the IFP curled a finger on the monkey paw. Greer was prior in a position where the case must go forward. Now he has an out of not paying the fee and getting it dismissed. He can then save his ego by not losing, and keeping his $402 for a nice hooker and the Tour of Italy down at the Olive Garden.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

was what The Founders had in mind when they codified the right to redress grievances against the government in the context of the previously enumerated rights.

They didn't intend the citizenry to become slaves to like 3 private corporations, nor for the copyright act to become so expansive (their permission is way more limited than we have now), and yet here we are.

 

[AnOminous]

Especially in mushmouth's case, it's always assumed he's clinically retarded, unless defendant can present an undeniable proof (like a discord message or something like that) that proves malice.

Sanctions such as those under Rule 11 no longer require malice, but just objective unreasonableness. Rule 26 sanctions don't even require that. Simply not complying with the rule, even if an innocent mistake, is still sanctionable if the issue requires obtaining an order compelling compliance.

Wait till you learn about how NY courts are structured. It literally makes no sense. Even the courts themselves are confused on how exactly they are structured.

The small town "justice courts" are beyond fucked, and stacked with completely incompetent judges sometimes with no qualifications whatsoever, including a literally functionally illiterate judge in one case.

The New York Times had a lengthy article on these abominations: https://archive.md/Nsw6w

A couple months ago the legislature announced an attempt to reform them, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. A couple months after the 2006 article cited above, they announced a similar attempt that went nowhere.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I don't even know if I want to utter this, but I will (and janny discretion to remove it) the loss of the IFP curled a finger on the monkey paw. Greer was prior in a position where the case must go forward. Now he has an out of not paying the fee and getting it dismissed. He can then save his ego by not losing, and keeping his $402 for a nice hooker and the Tour of Italy down at the Olive Garden.

All of his sanctionable misconduct would not escape him just because he found an out.

 

[obsdj]

the Judge was really tard-guarding by reducing the already discounted fees turned in by Hardin to a mere $1000. I, and others, have thought this was in part due to Greer's IFP status.

It explicitly was:

ECF 230.