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Should be a wild four years.

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The vast majority of it is just immigration though. I live right down the street from a Catholic Church, it's all Mexicans except for maybe 10 white people. I've heard the services are in Spanish in there.
Is it really Catholic if it's Mexicans?
 
A Simple Funeral for Pope Francis Becomes Conduit to See Trump
Bloomberg (archive.ph)
By Catherine Lucey and Donato Paolo Mancini
2025-04-25 16:18:25GMT
The funeral for Pope Francis was intended to be a stripped down affair to honor the simplicity of the man. Instead the attendance of US President Donald Trump has turned it into a high-profile stage for international diplomacy at a moment of geopolitical turmoil.

With the world in the throes of a trade war, markets gyrating wildly and a truce between Ukraine and Russia hanging in the balance, everyone from Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelenskiy to Britain’s Keir Starmer and France’s Emmanuel Macron is seeking a quick audience with the mercurial American leader on his first trip abroad since the inauguration.

The brief sojourn, with its blend of religious ceremony and political deal-making, recalls the setting for the reopening of Notre Dame cathedral back in December. Trump’s appearance at that too was a reason for many to rush to Paris for some fly-by negotiating. In Rome, Trump joins 50 heads of state who along with paying their respects to Francis are hoping to cross paths with the president in St. Peter’s Basilica or on the sidelines.

Before heading to Rome, Trump indicated he was up for it though he is on the ground briefly, so the window to conduct any business is narrow.

“I’d like to meet them all,” Trump said Thursday. “That would be nice. I’d like to take care of all of them, but we have many of them there, and they all want to meet, and they want to meet about trade, and we are making some great inroads and great deals.”

For Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni it’s an opportunity to firmly establish herself as one of main conduits to Trump, perhaps by orchestrating a three-way chat on trade with Ursula von der Leyen, the European Commission president who Trump hasn’t yet spoken to since coming to power.

Meloni visited him just over a week ago in Washington — where he heaped praise on her — and she later hosted Vice President JD Vance, a fellow Catholic and recent convert, who also saw Pope Francis a day before he died.

It’s not always clear what you get in return even when Trump likes you or if you flatter him — in the end almost no one was spared from being slapped with tariffs. In the case of Trump-friendly Javier Milei, it’s yielded some dividends for Argentina with the approval of an IMF loan, in spite of the red flags raised inside the lender of last resort.

One mourner at the funeral who might not be seeking out Trump is Joe Biden. A devout Catholic who met with Francis a number of times — including when Meloni made the unprecedented gesture of bringing the pope to the Group of Seven by the Adriatic Sea — the former president is often blamed by Trump for everything from wars to economic woes.

With so many in Rome, one conspicuous absence is Russia’s Vladimir Putin — who did evade tariff punishment and will host Brazil’s Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva and China’s Xi Jinping in Moscow for the Victory Day Parade on May 9. Back in 2019, Trump was flattered to have been asked to attend what amounts to a flashy celebration of Russian military might on the anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany in World War II.

This time, the circumstances aren’t quite aligning. The US president is in a hurry to declare a diplomatic win by brokering the end of the war in Ukraine and in recent days has vented rare criticism of Russia with the 100-day milestone of his second presidency fast approaching.

Leftist Lula will be in Rome — carefully avoiding his libertarian arch foe Milei as he’s been doing now in various gatherings. It’s unlikely Xi will make a last-minute decision to attend. The two economic giants are talking past each other, with Trump insisting there are talks ongoing on trade while Beijing denies it. The tension has rattled investors.

A meeting on the Vatican sidelines would be of huge consequence — and also awkward. The Holy See doesn’t have formal relations with China even if it does with Taiwan. There has been some rapprochement with Beijing and Taiwan’s President Lai Ching-te won’t be attending, though former Vice President Chen Chien-Jen will be there to represent the island.

One open question is if Trump will use the moment to offer any suggestion on who should next lead the world’s 1.4 billion Catholics.

A conclave – a gathering of Cardinals to select the next pope – will meet in the coming weeks and the secretive process is famously hard to predict.

Father James Martin, editor at large at America Magazine, a Jesuit publication, said that it is normal for those gatherings to consider the global politics of the times as they make their choice.

“It’s natural for the college of cardinals to consider the signs of the times, that is what is going on in the world,” he said. “So broadly speaking they will be considering the geopolitical situation.”

The relationship between Trump and Francis was never easy, punctuated by clashes over issues like immigration and climate change that underlined the deep fissures between conservative and liberal Catholics in the US. Earlier this year, Francis criticized the Trump administration’s migration policies, which include forced deportations.

So far, Trump has not weighed in on who should be next. At the White House this week, he said of Francis: “He loved the world, and he especially loved people that were having a hard time — and that’s good with me.”

Michael Moreland, a professor of law and religion at Villanova University, is of the view that any attempt to influence the conclave with “any campaigning or lobbying from the outside would risk backfiring.”

Trump, who heavily wooed the religious right, won a majority of Catholic voters in the 2024 presidential election. He was supported by conservative Catholics and has a number of Catholics serving in his administration, including Vance.

Vance himself was asked about the direction he’d like the next pope to take the church but declined to answer: “I won’t pretend to give guidance to the cardinals on who they should select as the next pope. We’ve got plenty of issues to focus on in the United States.”

It remains to be seen if Trump will weigh in. Francis himself was known for going off script from time to time, and not without consequences. His defense of the Palestinian cause, criticism of Israel and his daily calls to a church in Gaza compelled Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to order ambassadors to delete social media posts expressing their condolences.

The ceremony will start at 10 a.m. on Saturday, attracting some 250,000 people. And despite all the high-profile guests and the significance of the occasion, it was Francis’s firm desire to do away with all the pomp and grandeur that usually comes with the passing of a pope.

His final request, left in a will compiled in 2022, was simple: to be buried in naked soil in a single wooden coffin engraved with one Latin word: “Franciscus.”
 
There really is no getting around the fact that the center of gravity for Christianity is shifting back towards Rome.
And Constantinople. The Eastern Church is also growing rapidly in the U.S. The youngest Millennials and Zoomers are becoming increasingly attracted to Orthodoxy (A young Millennial relative of mine and his wife converted and were recently chrismated and they had their baby boy baptised, via immersion (3×), into the Church.) I could deeper into that, but I'm phone-fagging currently.
As an Episcopalian myself, I can confirm I am at looking at ground zero of the Apostasy crisis in American Protestantism.
You're where I was 30 years ago. I couldn't stand all the faggotry and the compliant pew-warmers who wouldn't say anything because that might be impolite. So I took my family out of that den of heretics, and literally shook the dust off my feet as I walked out of those red doors for the final time. I didn't go to the Roman church, though (I also have issues with them).
The final 25% became Roman Catholics. Starting to think I might end up in that camp sooner rather then later.
If you've got the patience and discipline, at least check out your local Orthodox parish. Couldn't hurt, eh.
 
That’s not because of theological disagreements but rather because of immigration from Catholic (Hispanic) countries.
This is one of those things where I like to check people. We, America, are the people with low levels of religious participation and cultural conservatism. Latin America is chock full of women who act like women without being resentful of it, and even Paco the illegal pool boy will break with the democrats over trans and gay shit.

The idea that they’d make permanent democrat voters from illegal immigration made sense BEFORE they went batshit for trannies. It’s not going to work. The very idea of letting a public school teach your son it’s ok to suck dick… tsk tsk

So we should still deport maximum on principle, because fuck line cutters and the criminals most definitely need to gtfo, but either way it won’t result in progressivism proceeding
 
This is a bit of derail but I just read/listened to a dude talk about the "long house" and women subverted church leadership starting with having women speak to women.

Do you think thats a factor or is the decline something else?

I grew up with a fucking cult.
I think women taking leadership roles within the Church (the Protestant branches) have definitely played a role in the decline. Mouthy wimmin ruin everything.
 
This is one of those things where I like to check people. We, America, are the people with low levels of religious participation and cultural conservatism. Latin America is chock full of women who act like women without being resentful of it, and even Paco the illegal pool boy will break with the democrats over trans and gay shit.

The idea that they’d make permanent democrat voters from illegal immigration made sense BEFORE they went batshit for trannies. It’s not going to work. The very idea of letting a public school teach your son it’s ok to suck dick… tsk tsk

So we should still deport maximum on principle, because fuck line cutters and the criminals most definitely need to gtfo, but either way it won’t result in progressivism proceeding
Nah, it does. Economics trumps all, including troonshit.

If you directly get money and socioeconomic benefits from installing Democrats, which Hispanics view as so, very little else matters.
 
Nah, it does. Economics trumps all, including troonshit.

If you directly get money and socioeconomic benefits from installing Democrats, which Hispanics view as so, very little else matters.
All kinds of people will take free money, a lot less will let you cut their kids dick off for money

also, democrats can NEVER give them what they actually want. Converting them to citizens removes all the emergency part of giving them cash cards and hotel rooms and shit, and they lose the residency leverage
 
I dont know why you are lying or being a boomer about this. Medical school slots are tightly constrained via a refusal to accredit more slots/schools. Those slots are tightly DEI pozzed to hate on white men.

Once you pass that hurdle. There are people who graduate medical school but cant find a residency. I have met them. Residency slots also have DEI standards.

Then we have residency itself. Which if you asked me a worse way to actually train or teach someone something I would struggle to think of it. Its a giant hazing ritual. DEI once again, you can haze the white man you cant haze Shaniqua.

Meanwhile Doctor Jeet or Doctor Chong dont deal with any of that and get on a visa because we have a "shortage of doctors".
Notice how I said in my post that "I'm hearing," not "I know for goddamn sure." I'll be more imperious next time to rustle your jimmies.
 
A Simple Funeral for Pope Francis Becomes Conduit to See Trump
Boy they'll sure bitch about anything as long as it involves Trump. Nevermind all the other dignitaries there. Or the dead fucking pope. It's alllllll about Orange Man Bad for these fucking people.
 
If you've got the patience and discipline, at least check out your local Orthodox parish. Couldn't hurt, eh.
My problem with Orthodoxy is they are explicitly ethnic. The nearest Orthodox church to me is Serbian. And I am not Serbian. I'm an American. If ever there is an American Orthodox Patriarchate, then maybe I would consider it. But I simply do not see that in the cards. Orthodox Churches have much to commend to them. Being ecumenical and open to outsiders are not those things.
 
My problem with Orthodoxy is they are explicitly ethnic. The nearest Orthodox church to me is Serbian. And I am not Serbian. I'm an American. If ever there is an American Orthodox Patriarchate, then maybe I would consider it. But I simply do not see that in the cards. Orthodox Churches have much to commend to them. Being ecumenical and open to outsiders are not those things.
In America, it's not as bad as all that. My relative got introduced into Orthodoxy at a Serbian Orthodox Church (they all spoke English and were mostly native to that city but with a variety of ethnicities (some Russian, mostly Anglos, and a few Mexicans).

If you can find a Church under the loose (very) affiliation of the "Orthodox Church in America," that'd put your mind at ease.
 
Lol, so to summarize for people too lazy to read.

Illegal was in court that day for an unspecified, presumably unrelated matter. ICE Presents themselves to the various courthouse officials, has a warrant, all that jazz. Take up position in the hallway outside the courtroom after agreeing with the court to wait until after the illegal had his case heard. Judge Dugan learns that ICE is here, comes out, demands ICE follows off to talk to a senior judge, one agent stays behind only because the judge didn't realize he was also ICE. Dugan returns to her courtroom .

While ICE speaks with the senior judge via phone in a private room, the court day continues. The testimony recorded here is a bit muddled, but as far as I can tell, the court docket goes on as expected, until they reach the 'end', at which point an attorney notices that the Illegals case has been skipped, and asks what's up with his clients case, as he was the public defender for the illegal. The judge informs him the case has been Adjourned, so delayed (which is extremely unusual as a unilateral declaration when everyone in the room is present and ready to present, my personal comment) for now. Multiple witnesses then corroborate the Judge taking the Illegal and an attorney personally out through the Jury Exit, after stopping them from leaving through the public exit that the one ICE Agent was still waiting at.

Once the Illegal is out through this alternative exit, the Illegal and the Attorney are spotted by another agent moving to a distant elevator seemingly chosen deliberately as the most likely to not be watched, away from the Courtroom and exiting the building. ICE is notified of this, and scrambles to find the now escaping illegal. They spot him outside the courthouse, they move to arrest, he books it and runs, and is arrested shortly after.

Effectively, Dugan appears to have deliberately redirected ICE Agents away from the Illegal, and then facilitated the escape of an illegal with full knowledge of a valid warrant and arrest procedure underway, via court privileged access of private areas that ICE complied with requests to not touch.
 
My problem with Orthodoxy is they are explicitly ethnic. The nearest Orthodox church to me is Serbian. And I am not Serbian. I'm an American. If ever there is an American Orthodox Patriarchate, then maybe I would consider it. But I simply do not see that in the cards. Orthodox Churches have much to commend to them. Being ecumenical and open to outsiders are not those things.
There is an American Patriarch, Orthodox Church of America. And most Orthodox Churches have a number of converts not of the ethnicity of the church. Near me the Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches are half random white people. Almost all do the vast majority of the mass in English.
 
The idea that they’d make permanent democrat voters from illegal immigration made sense BEFORE they went batshit for trannies. It’s not going to work. The very idea of letting a public school teach your son it’s ok to suck dick… tsk tsk
i still want to know who is supposed to benefit. i really hope our society isnt dying solely because some faggot bean counter actually thought you could just interchangeably import whoever to fill the gaps in the population numbers. "jews" i dont even fucking see how they benefit unless theyre so fucking stupid that they think the world being filled by browns who hate them makes them better off because they think they can outsmart them by making hollyjew flops.

edit i also mean europe since their imports dont even work hardly iirc.
Effectively, Dugan appears to have deliberately redirected ICE Agents away from the Illegal, and then facilitated the escape of an illegal with full knowledge of a valid warrant and arrest procedure underway, via court privileged access of private areas that ICE complied with requests to not touch.
and now all the "rule of law" "let the judges block trump thats checks and balances even though they actually dont have authority and scotus affirmed this" and "trump is a lawbreaker" faggots are clutching their pearls that these treasonous fucks are getting a taste of what they deserve.
 
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