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Should be a wild four years.

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karz said:
I'm being hyperbolic in my post. Do you believe they used $100bn to retool one plant? They used that money for other things, too. My point is that most of the "money sent to Ukraine" was directed to domestic arms manufacturers - Colt, Lockheed, Boeing, and RTX, among others.

Is it bad for the government to give domestic arms manufacturers business? US arms manufacturers are required by law to hire American citizens and only American citizens to make US weapons. I'm trying to find out what you see as "good" government spending for United States arms manufacturing. Work with me here, buddy.
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We could also cut the Slavic middleman out and use all the money to support domestic production.
 
TerminalTryHard said:
We could also cut the Slavic middleman out and use all the money to support domestic production.
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What middlemen are involved? All the products sent over are completed arms products from the US or NATO forces given to Ukraine at the westernmost border. You'll have to explain your point more thoroughly.
 
karz said:
I'm being hyperbolic in my post. Do you believe they used $100bn to retool one plant? They used that money for other things, too. My point is that most of the "money sent to Ukraine" was directed to domestic arms manufacturers - Colt, Lockheed, Boeing, and RTX, among others.

Is it bad for the government to give domestic arms manufacturers business? US arms manufacturers are required by law to hire American citizens and only American citizens to make US weapons. I'm trying to find out what you see as "good" government spending for United States arms manufacturing. Work with me here, buddy.
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I honestly lean towards continuing to mostly support Ukraine but keeping consistently underperforming companies like Colt (that would absolutely not survive if they had to actually compete with other US arms companies, much less a lot of the foreign ones) on the military industrial teat is probably not a good idea, no. Trump himself fucked that concept up by giving those utter failures at Boeing another plane to design. That's putting aside the fact that tons of people don't believe sending weapons to Ukraine benefits a soft power perspective and want something in return for helping them. They do not give a shit that taxpayer dollars are going towards arm companies.
 
MG-34 said:
It is bizarre that the media whores ignore a real easy subject to smear the Trump administration that could appeal to both political wings (albeit for different reasons) and focus on some illgeal spic gang bangers. They must have really banked on turning them into voter chattel to secure every election in the future.
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the giveaway that my theory is correct - the competent people are waiting and allowing the tards to autopurge - isn't the national forest thing, it's the Texas sepsis deaths.

really ask yourself why you know everything about this gangbanger who spent some time in Maryland, why the media is shoving that down your throat, but the phrase "Texas sepsis deaths" means nothing to you

and watch for it to get pushed hard into your face at the midterms
 
HeyYou said:
That's putting aside the fact that tons of people don't believe sending weapons to Ukraine benefits a soft power perspective and want something in return for helping them.
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I strongly agree that help should come with something in return. The problem is that Ukraine cannot offer anything as 'repayment' or 'in return' until the war ends and peace is secured for the future, be that in NATO as a member or something like the NATO partnership for peace in the 1990s.

Minerals? Russia occupies the areas where they are located. Food? Landmines are buried everywhere. "Repayment" can't happen until security is for sure.
 
karz said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=L3KP5E1GftoThoughts? Pastor Burns has been a staunch Trump supporter for many years. He now says supporting Ukraine is "America First" policy, when previously he was very skeptical of all support for Ukraine.
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Ukraine has a very high Christian/Orthodox population so I think it makes sense that he'd want to support a country that's still 80% God-fearing currently being attacked by a nation of secularists that historically torture and murder Christians for fun
 
karz said:
I strongly agree that help should come with something in return. The problem is that Ukraine cannot offer anything as 'repayment' or 'in return' until the war ends and peace is secured for the future, be that in NATO as a member or something like the NATO partnership for peace in the 1990s.

Minerals? Russia occupies the areas where they are located. Food? Landmines are buried everywhere. "Repayment" can't happen until security is for sure.
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Unfortunately pitches like "we need to help this country stabilize because they might be an incredibly good ally and give us stuff in the future, just trust me" does not immediately sell itself to Americans anymore after the absolute debacles in the Middle East the last two decades, Afghanistan's current situation especially. I'd argue there's a cultural and religious difference when comparing Ukraine to those countries, but that's why people are skeptical.
 
L|A

You will be utterly shocked to find out Big Soy says getting rid of Seed Oils is bad for 'Murica:

Impacts of removing seed oils from U.S. food supply striking
Soybean industry releases studies showing a seed oil ban would not bode well for the food supply, consumers or economy.
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The results of a soybean industry project to examine the impacts of a potential seed oil ban in the U.S. food supply are in — and the answers are not good, the American Soybean Association (ASA) said in a news release.
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The kind of partial science we can count on from the ASA!
The seed oil study was funded by the United Soybean Board and conducted by the World Agricultural Economic & Environmental Services (WAEES).
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See, totally objective!
The seed oil industry, which primarily includes soybean, canola, corn, cottonseed, grapeseed, rice bran, safflower and sunflower, would see a sizable drop in consumption for domestic products, while imported palm oil would likely flourish. In the meantime, consumers would have a hard time making apples-to-apples substitutions given price surges, product availability, allergen issues and usage constraints.
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Soy futures down, soy farmers rekt the same as broken window repair shops in San Francisco when crime goes down, and LESS CONSUMER CHOICES OH NO!

In one scenario, people eat the same amount of processed goyslop, but sub out seed oils. This will destroy seed oil farmers, make salad dressing creation Difficulty: Impossible, and Oh No Muh Pnut Allergeez!
1. Flat U.S. fat and oil consumption. This scenario removed seed oils from human consumption but assumed consumption of fats and oils per capita would remain roughly unchanged — ignoring the fact that many fats and oils are not directly substitutable. For instance, tallow and palm oil cannot be used in salad dressing, as they are solid at room temperature. Certain nut oils also bring allergy concerns.
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Also deadly Palm Tree 🌴 forests will cover the earth!
A 58 lb. per-capita loss of seed oil would be filled primarily by increased palm oil consumption (53 lb.), which would have to be imported. Global palm area would likely increase by 3.3 million acres.
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In the second scenario, Americans eat less processed slop, and the results:
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In this case, the 58 lb. loss of seed oils is only partially offset. Per-capita consumption of fats and oils would fall by 21 lb., or 29%. The study did not look at any resulting health consequences of the dramatic drop.
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The study did not look at any resulting health consequences of the dramatic drop.
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The study did not look at any resulting health consequences of the dramatic drop.
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Because America actually getting Healthy Again is worthless if it results in
Soybean prices would fall by an average of more than 3% per year and farmer returns by about 7%. Overall crop cash receipts would drop by $3 billion per year, and farm income would fall by about $2 billion. Soybean area would decrease by a yearly average of 2.8 million acres.
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But fear not hydrogenated processed oil bros! MAGA is not gonna happen!
To explain why a switch to non-seed oils is not readily feasible, ASA chief economist Dr. Scott Gerlt noted: “Simply put, there is not enough production. Fats are largely a byproduct of meat production and represent only a small share of the value of the processing. Capacity to produce tallow is also limited
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But smarties like us already knew that, heh heh
ASA president and soybean farmer Caleb Ragland said of the study, “This work simply confirms what we already knew: A ban on seed oils, including soy, is going to have costly impacts for farmers and costly impacts for consumers — and I don’t just mean in the wallet. There is the potential here that we lose consumer choice based on conjecture, and that should not be something we condone in the U.S. or anywhere, for that matter.”
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THE LAST THING WE CAN CONDONE IS LESS CONSUMER CHOICE! THE LIQUID GOLD MUST FLOOOOOOOW!
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So in conclusion, don't rock the boat, Bobby Kennedy
With this positive FDA qualified health claim for soybean oil, Ragland questioned why “rock that boat” of banning seed oils without any scientific reason, especially at the expense of consumer choice and the domestic soybean oil market?
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its with heavy heart I admit @Fatpacks was at least 50% right, Im still vaugley optimistic but does anyone feel 3 months in we are more or less back to "business as usual?"

maybe some Kiwi from El Paso needs to chime in about how much better life is in a shit border town now with less illegials but honestly even if that was a ringing win (Im not convinced it is yet, where are pavelow runs of cartel Haciendas?) its not enought to hang the admins hat on.

First month was so damn promising with so much potential and now its just shit like if trumps going to use taxpayer money to throw himself a parade, i wouldent care if he BTFOED Iran or Mexico but so far, concretely, all he is dont is change a few names on a map.

Trade war might go well, it might not, we arent a nation of people with nothing to lose, china is, might be a bad game of chicken we are playing, Mao starved 30 million people with a genuine "whoopsey" and they just took it, 3,000 people got mulched in a couple towers and we are still sending home caskets with flags on them from the middle east WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING DONALD?

Ukraine is more fucked than ever

Israel is being mobilized on by turkey in the north and Egypt in the south, unchecked

Sudan is still actively fighting a civil war by BURNING WHOLE VILLAGES TO THE GROUND Source

Burma (Myanmar) is still embroiled in a shit storm of a civil war thats so bad even independent journalists are scared to report on it Source

Venezuela is on the verge of regional war with neighbors Source

China has surrounded Taiwan multiple times in the last few weeks with EXTENSIVE drills Source

If im being objective all this mfer has done since he got in power is cut immigration numbers and changed the maps name

WHERE ARE THE B52S OVER SINALOA DONALD? WHY ARE THEY AT DIEGO GARCIA GATHERING DUST?
 
StudMccool said:
Ukraine is more fucked than ever

Israel is being mobilized on by turkey in the north and Egypt in the south, unchecked

Sudan is still actively fighting a civil war by BURNING WHOLE VILLAGES TO THE GROUND Source

Burma (Myanmar) is still embroiled in a shit storm of a civil war thats so bad even independent journalists are scared to report on it Source

Venezuela is on the verge of regional war with neighbors Source

China has surrounded Taiwan multiple times in the last few weeks with EXTENSIVE drills Source

If im being objective all this mfer has done since he got in power is cut immigration numbers and changed the maps name
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None of those countries are America.
 
StudMccool said:
Ukraine is more fucked than ever

Israel is being mobilized on by turkey in the north and Egypt in the south, unchecked

Sudan is still actively fighting a civil war by BURNING WHOLE VILLAGES TO THE GROUND Source

Burma (Myanmar) is still embroiled in a shit storm of a civil war thats so bad even independent journalists are scared to report on it Source

Venezuela is on the verge of regional war with neighbors Source

China has surrounded Taiwan multiple times in the last few weeks with EXTENSIVE drills Source
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And addressing all this has fuck all to do with Americans' well-being how, exactly?
 
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