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Should be a wild four years.

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Jet Fuel Johnny said:
I love how everyone forgets these Palestinian faggots popularized blowing up airplanes, nightclubs, resteraunts, and hijacking ships so they can throw old men in wheelchairs overboard.

Anyone who tries to deflect by tossing out the Kikes or what the fuck ever, has sided with these rebranded PLO faggots and should be put down right before everyone moves on.

Palestinians are natural terrorists and only understand someone standing on their neck and pushing a gun barrel into their ear.

Anyone who carries water for them is a terrorist supporting faggot who needs beaten with a rock.
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I have zero sympathy for terrorists and Muslims in general. Islam is a religion of conquest and enslavement. But there also a bunch of inbred stone aged ingrates there wouldnt carry any threat if our own governments and intelligence agencies didnt arm fund and train these fundamentalists to be there boogyman on a leash to capture us through fear.

America funded the taliban, Osama bin Laden was a CIA asset, Obama and Hilary created Isis, Joe Biden gave Iran billions. Israel funded Hamas so that they didnt have to negotiate a two state solution. Western intellegence agencies along with Turkey and Israel have overthrown Assad and inserted a former al queda/isis leader. Because they know he will eventually commit atrocities that will give them the excuse to conquer and divide Syria.


So yes the Muslims are retarded faggots and no friend of mine. But if we get our own house in order. There absolutely nothing muslims could do to us.
 
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John.Doe said:
This was a finding by the immigration judge, was appealed to the relevant court, and that determination was upheld.
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John.Doe said:
The process that is due to an illegal alien was given to him, and appropriate to the context.
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There is a miscommunication here.
To me, it seems you (and others) are saying that there was a process where the core issue was "is he MS-13?" and it was determined he was. In other words, was he ever charged and convicted as a member of a gang? I believe that is what the insane filing was talking about when they said "without the semblance of due process".

The filing you reference (added on the 31st, not the 24th) is the initial sentence for the issue related to immigration, and the appeal for that decision. (Initial decision, appeal). The information about him being MS-13 was considered to be reliable and informed the choice, but it was one of the factors.

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You will notice here the "Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion".
For the thousand time, I am not a lawyer, but I don't think that is how a process to determine if he is in a gang would be framed as him not being able to prove that is not a gangbanger.
The judge does say the membership is "verified", so I am happy to go with the assertion that a court considered him MS-13. But I can still see that this is for the purpose of immigration, it is not a court to determine if he was a gangbanger or not - again, that is what they meant by "due process".

Anyway, the appeal judge uses even less strong language on how certain is the gang affiliation.
Fundamentally, it did not matter whether he was or not, just the risk that he was a gangbanger meant that he was too much of a risk. All other evidence (never claiming asylum, etc) pointed to him not being a good candidate for staying indefinitely in the US, thus the decision.
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I think this push of making him "for sure MS-13" is risky for the government. I think they should be more cautious in their word choice. For an internet forum, go ahead, idc. As a legal point, I don't think it is that surprising that an activist (judge) would point out that he was never given due process in regard to his gang affiliation
 
I am not sure that "oh this gangbanger may be part of another group of hyperviolent thugs, just not this group of hyperviolent thugs" is the W the liberals think it is.
 
Soggy paper straw said:
I think this push of making him "for sure MS-13" is risky for the government. I think they should be more cautious in their word choice. For an internet forum, go ahead, idc. As a legal point, I don't think it is that surprising that an activist (judge) would point out that he was never given due process in regard to his gang affiliation
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The determination of his being in ms-13 happened in his immigration court hearings, and those aren’t public
 
Soggy paper straw said:
I think this push of making him "for sure MS-13" is risky for the government. I think they should be more cautious in their word choice. For an internet forum, go ahead, idc. As a legal point, I don't think it is that surprising that an activist (judge) would point out that he was never given due process in regard to his gang affiliation
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Part of the problem here is that, even if the government can prove this guy is a gang member, all of this shit takes time. One activist judge requiring the government to prove every single tiny little point, when the goal is to get illegal immigrants out of the country in the first place, is ticky tack bullshit done specifically to clog up the court system and prevent the deportation of an illegal immigrant.

Democrats do not want to argue the point that this guy was an illegal immigrant and needs to go, so they're focusing on the gang identity thing. At least that's my gut reaction to a news item that, frankly, I'm tired of reading about.
 
All this nitpicking over the gangbanger is silly. If anything, that is a bonus to Democrats if he is some triple murder-rapist.

The correct move is to deport now, ask questions later, ignore activist judges always.
 
quaawaa said:
Considering that they're complaining about "sensitive data from the NLRB", it's probably just some bureaucrat mad that DOGE made a copy of their data.

The NLRB is an extremely corrupt agency that does nothing except bully companies who dare to fight back against unions. They don't possess any sensitive information, though they probably have plenty of documents detailing their corruption.
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Considering the selective wording(authentic credentials, but they aren't saying it's DOGE ones) and the timing and lack of obfuscation(actual espionage wouldn't make it so blatant) I can see it as simple as disgruntled feds logging into their accounts with a Russian proxy/VPN and then pointing at it.
 
X Prime said:
All this nitpicking over the gangbanger is silly. If anything, that is a bonus to Democrats if he is some triple murder-rapist.

The correct move is to deport now, ask questions later, ignore activist judges always.
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At the end of the day, and as I posted earlier, trumps’ rolling five day approval was 51% by Rasmussen this morning.

The last five days have been endless coverage about the gang dad and tariff war
 
X Prime said:
I am not sure that "oh this gangbanger may be part of another group of hyperviolent thugs, just not this group of hyperviolent thugs" is the W the liberals think it is.
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They picked probably the worst example to go to war over. I am not defending the guy or saying he is a potential upstanding American citizen.
There is so much wrong with this guy, that just saying "considered Ms-13" rather than "confirmed MS-13" would not hurt the message of the Trump Administration.

SpergioLeonne said:
The determination of his being in ms-13 happened in his immigration court hearings, and those aren’t public
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Are you saying that what is said in the public documents is not enough? The evidence seem to come from when he was questioned (not sure if it was arrest?) because he was loitering with well-known members of MS-13 (haven't researched whether these men were arrested or not, but I assume they had some convictions).
Anyway, the issue that the filing was point towards when they said "due process" is still the same, isn't it? A court hearing for immigration is not the same as a criminal trial to determine being member of a gang.

Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Democrats do not want to argue the point that this guy was an illegal immigrant and needs to go, so they're focusing on the gang identity thing. At least that's my gut reaction to a news item that, frankly, I'm tired of reading about.
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Democrats are focusing on pretending he is an American citizen and making people fear that "it could happen to you!"

I have gone to retarded lengths to read about this case because some TDS relative is going to bring it up as an example of democracy ending.
I think that making it sound like he has been convicted of being a gangbanger or other crime* is only slightly less retarded than trying to make him sound like the perfect America father. The case is enough in Trump favors that the truth does not need to be bent

(Edit: *beside entering the country illegally)

Edit - @X Prime The nitpicky is useful for people who want to discuss this with TDS relatives, friends, etc.. It is autistic, but if you are completely factual and correct, then it does help having a normal discussion rather than being accused of being Hitler 2.0
I also enjoy finding out how the media manipulates the news. This Ms-13 thing is very easy to spin in both directions. You will see the leftist media say that he is considered Ms-13 only because of a hat, while right wing media will try to say that he had multiple judges determine he is Ms-13 (implying he was convicted). The truth, as I hopefully have shown, is neither.
 
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Hey Johnny Bravo said:
ticky tack bullshit done specifically to clog up the court system and prevent the deportation of an illegal immigrant.
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This is absolutely crucial to understand, not just about this instance but everything. It's the core strategy of how clown world operates, they don't need to win, they just need to throw a fit to make it look like the entire thing is a headache so the ones taking action get blamed.

"Why are republicans pushing this immigration stuff? Can't they see how complex and headache inducing it is?"
"Why do they want to reshore, look at all the barriers in the way..."
"Do you realize the logistical nightmareof deporting every illegal?"
"Look how much prisoners cost... it's too much of a hassle"
"Winning wars against guerilla fighters is too hard, think of the optics problems if we were to let the military actually do their job..."
"Dealing with crime is impossible, think of the optics problems if police are allowed to arrest people..."
"Cutting spending is too hard... think of how many goverment employees will throw a fit..."
"Nuclear power would be great... but there's too much red tape, it's not worth the hassle"

Meanwhile they and their footsoldiers are the ones Making it a fucking hassle.

It's like asymmetrical warfare, the insurgency only needs to sow chaos and be a thorn in the side of people trying to build something, because in the eyes of the public chaos is always blamed on the ones taking action.

Come to think of it this is how cancel culture worked.
Platform: "Hey so people are mad..."
The Cancelled: "But it's just a few protests and a bunch of people on twitter... i have 5 million followers and there's only 50k angry so.."
Platform: "I realize that but... it's the only data point we have so we can't risk it... you're fired. Sorry"
 
Soggy paper straw said:
Are you saying that what is said in the public documents is not enough? The evidence seem to come from when he was questioned (not sure if it was arrest?) because he was loitering with well-known members of MS-13 (haven't researched whether these men were arrested or not, but I assume they had some convictions).
Anyway, the issue that the filing was point towards when they said "due process" is still the same, isn't it? A court hearing for immigration is not the same as a criminal trial to determine being member of a gang
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You’d want to see the initial finding since it’s subsequently referenced, right? Wasn’t it the original finding that characterized him being arrested in the presence of fellow ms 13 members?
 
SpergioLeonne said:
You’d want to see the initial finding since it’s subsequently referenced, right? Wasn’t it the original finding that characterized him being arrested in the presence of fellow ms 13 members?
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Yes, the officer reporting the arrest is public and he was in the presence of MS-13 members (also some weed present at the scene; idk if the other men at the scene are just known to be members, or convicted tough)
My understanding is the he was not charged with anything, and certainly not convicted.

My point is that he never went to trial over "is he ms-13?" and this is what the leftist will go on and on about. As if, if the answer was "no" he should be welcomed.

My prediction is that the leftists will not highlight that protection order from the wife, although also that one is not a conviction for domestic abuse. I guess gangbanger is a lot better than wifebeater?
 
Soggy paper straw said:
There is a miscommunication here.
To me, it seems you (and others) are saying that there was a process where the core issue was "is he MS-13?" and it was determined he was. In other words, was he ever charged and convicted as a member of a gang? I believe that is what the insane filing was talking about when they said "without the semblance of due process".
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Due process does not mean a 10 month long jury trial, it means 'the process that is due'. A full jury trial and conviction is not part of the 'due process' afforded or appropriate to the person and the circumstances, in this case an illegal alien in immigration court determining his deportation status. He had his day in court with an attorney on this matter, he was able to appeal the matter, and it was upheld. That is the end of it, there is no more judicial review available.

You have to remember also, 'due process' also does not mean 'he gets to have as many court cases as he wants in front of whatever judge he wants until he gets a favorable outcome', which is what the media keeps crowing about.
 
Constellationzero said:
Please stop stopping at "slave labor wages."

We DO NOT want these jobs:

* With zero health/dental/vision insurance--especially the kind you have to wait 90 days to even get (but you are PAYING FOR IT)
* With zero EAP
* With zero PTO, or bullshitass 3 PTO days with expectation of severe ass kissing the employer
* With zero vacation time
* With negligible, or zero holidays--while the office people make GODDAMN SURE they will not be working
* With zero 401K option

It's not just the insultingly low pay--it's the absence of benefits and dignity too.
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Hey, you know what happens if you can't get hired at a white collar job and there are no blue-collar jobs? You get to work at like McDonald's or some shit. You get to clean bathrooms at Cotsco. You get to work a shit-collar job.
 
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