US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[JayseeDenton]

Imagine what would happen if it became a US or China situation?

I'm fairly confident this is exactly the climate Trump is trying to force.

 

[password1215_12]

100% tariffs still won't be enough to compensate for the self-imposed labor and environmental regulatory burden in the US. There's no hope of re-shoring any manufacturing back in the US without reforming environment/labor law and good luck with that noise. It's going to take a lot more than an EO to abolish the EPA, OSHA and the minimum wage.

China's shipbuilding capacity is reported to be 232 times greater than that of the U.S.

Its maddening that the pro-war people just ignore reality.

 

[Velociraptor]

Or the fuckers that promise to sell you sheets of steel and deliver pig iron in vaugely sheet-like format. They don't care they have your money.

China has a term for this. "Chabuduo" (差不多). It translates to "close enough" but a better translation might be "I'm a retarded lazy fucking chink and I don't want to do any work, and if I just ignore the rules and regulations they don't exist. What are you gonna do, get mad? lol close enough, white piggy."

There was a whole greentext 10 years ago about this. In a way, it's sort of fascinating to witness modern, low-trust societies.

 

[autistic dog]

Why are we so eager to start a full on trade war with China anyway, our largest trading partner?, if we have to decouple, then do it gradually and slowly, I think burning everything down without any adjustment/transitionary period is actually a really, really bad idea for all of us.

I assume most of the people in here are in the working or middle class like me, so it's baffling to see all of you be so eager to march along with the billionaire (who will not be as badly affected btw) into more economic hardship because "fuck the other side".

They can end it at any time by submitting.

 

[BigJoey41X]

It's also worth noting that a very substantial percentage of the "other side" is silently happy about all this. Anybody older than 25, hell 20, knows what I'm talking about.

Economic leftists have never liked globalization, bernie sanders was firmly against the PPP, "shop local/fuck cheaper prices" was a left wing mantra not even 5 years ago that oddly just disappeared... Karl Marx was staunchly against unchecked immigration and pointed out that communism couldn't function without strict borders.

It actually used to be a mainstream liberal position to hate globalization. Look at the opening gag of this democrat campaign ad from 2008. https://youtu.be/FiQJ9Xp0xxU?t=5

I can't find it now but I remember a popular leftist meme years ago that had a white guy sitting in a chair while a mexican fed him food, a vietnamese was sewing the shirt he was wearing, a chinese was making the chair, it somehow depicted some african kid mining the materials in his phone or something like that. Here's some along the same lines:


Point is the "you should be happy jobs are being shipped oversees and done by slave labor because you get lower prices" is NOT a normal left wing position, they're only taking it because of their prodigious amounts of TDS. Many left wingers do have a functioning memory, they remember when globalism was bad and most still feel like it is. These people didn't go anywhere, they just got silent due to the conflicting nature of woke politics. The "having a problem with importing a slave class is xenophobic" and "you have to be okay with foreign entities owning the apartment you rent because native Americans were here first or something" silenced the strictly economic and far more reasonable socialists, but they still exist and are reluctantly beaming about all this.

Also LOL at any of them trying to tell me they suddenly give a fuck about the DOW jones.

It's just part of the party reshuffle we're seeing and why there's an offputting lack of rage towards Trump compared to last time.

The leftist you are talking about here basically hasn't existed since the 2000's, when Obama was elected and democrats essentially remained dominant from the late 2000's to the 2010's, a lot of the aspects of leftism that wasn't beneficiary to "The Business Elite" was basically snuffed out of mainstream discourse such as limiting immigration and opposition to free trade, the entire thing was shifted to this weird rootless cosmopolitan globalist ideology where borders do not matter anymore, cultures should all mix together, and all must trade with each other freely.

All of this primarily benefits "The Business Elite"/"The Corporations" the most, they successfully co-opted Leftism, using its good parts such as tolerance and justice, while silencing the "inconvenient parts" as justification to enforce Globalism, pretty sad state of affairs imo.

 

[Dan Abrams]

How about we legalize weed and also require that the exhaust fumes from all cannabis dispensaries is rerouted into the AC units of kiwi farmers until they stop crying about the smell

 

[Angelos32]

100% tariffs still won't be enough to compensate for the self-imposed labor and environmental regulatory burden in the US. There's no hope of re-shoring any manufacturing back in the US without reforming environment/labor law and good luck with that noise. It's going to take a lot more than an EO to abolish the EPA, OSHA and the minimum wage.

Yeah this is what I’m still confused about, minimum wage increases labor costs by such a ridiculous degree it makes absolutely no goddamn sense even with tariffs to come back to the US. That isn’t even getting into EPA, OSHA, etc. I mean everyone can say people would benefit from decent paying factory jobs, but the regulations in the US make it close to impossible for these companies to cut corners(which they don’t like) on things like quality control and worker safety. The US population wouldn’t tolerate the shit they pull in the third world even ignoring the Pennies they pay these chinks

 

[AnotherPleb]

... Am I missing a reference here? Cause that sounds familiar. Did that happen during the summer of love? Cause if so they sure as shit memory holed that stuff real fucking quick.

That shit happened almost beat for beat, reaction included.

 

[quaawaa]

Of course. But claiming that another country other than the United States is the "most expansionist" is just dumb.

That guy just needs to call himself a neoconservative that loves war.

It's also funny he mentions how envious he is of China so instead of actually building something here, he wants to violently lash out at a country on the other side of the world.

Americans are so shortsighted they can't even see that their thinking got them into this mess. 20 years in Afghanistan and Trump is negotiating with the Taliban to reclaim a big US base there.

Your EVs suck and are Tesla knockoffs.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

China's shipbuilding capacity is reported to be 232 times greater than that of the U.S.

Korea is who killed US shipbuilding. China is a little late to that party. If not for the Jones Act requiring naval vessels be American-made no ships would've been built in the US for 25 years.

Its maddening that the pro-war people just ignore reality.

They're operating on a 1950's version of American Exceptionalism without realizing their parents sold that too long ago.

 

[deleuzeon]

Both wars had extreme public support at the time because the public wanted revenge.

I know what you mean about the bloodlust, but it was by no means unanimous. Maybe, maybe for Afghanistan in the immediate months after 9/11; otherwise there were tons of antiwar protests all throughout the 2000s. There was debate about Iraq before we ever went into it, and the government had to manufacture WMD lies in order to really sell it.

 

[Nihil Jung]

Korea is who killed US shipbuilding. China is a little late to that party. If not for the Jones Act requiring naval vessels be American-made no ships would've been built in the US for 25 years.


They're operating on a 1950's version of American Exceptionalism without realizing their parents sold that too long ago.

American Exceptionalism or Chinamen Inferiority, take your pick, Chang!

They could have 500x the shipbuilding capability but guess what they will still be manned by bugmen. Atleast if they contracted out to Indians they'd do some damage by accidently driving into major infrastructure.

 

[Wash away the rain]

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Ukraine-Russian sperging is like saying a gamer word but for this forum sometimes it just slips past your filter and you drop a hard r or in this case an opinion about how slav shits are incest babies and probably all related as close as 1st cousins.

 

[mandatorylurk]

Interesting choice, Chyna, ret the brood retting blegin:

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I know what you mean about the bloodlust, but it was by no means unanimous. Maybe, maybe for Afghanistan in the immediate months after 9/11; otherwise there were tons of antiwar protests all throughout the 2000s. There was debate about Iraq before we ever went into it, and the government had to manufacture WMD lies in order to really sell it.

There was no widespread public support for Iraq II, we had to be lied into that one. That's where they coined the phrase Coalition of the Willing, because so much of the international community on-board with the war on terror weren't having W's daddy revenge fantasy in Iraq.

 

[Quence]

Wouldn't it make sense to keep birthright citizenship, but have the child's citizenship have no bearing on the parents getting one? and if the parents are not citizens and don't have a green card then CPS takes the child and puts it in an orphanage?

Oh god no! There would be endless wrangling in Congress to make the parents either permanently legal or citizens so their spiclets don’t get abandoned. And then you end up once again with the major incentive for sh*tskins to cross the border.

 

[Nihil Jung]

Interesting choice, Chyna, ret the brood retting blegin:

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This kinda makes the invasion of Taiwan more likely, ironically.

 

[Postal_Rat]

Interesting choice, Chyna, ret the brood retting blegin:

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Tariff hike confirmed I am almost certain that currency manipulation was one of the non-tariff factors that trump baked in to his numbers

 

[Barleys]

100% tariffs still won't be enough to compensate for the self-imposed labor and environmental regulatory burden in the US. There's no hope of re-shoring any manufacturing back in the US without reforming environment/labor law and good luck with that noise. It's going to take a lot more than an EO to abolish the EPA, OSHA and the minimum wage.

Wages are not a good excuse for why manufacturing isnt brought back. It is a reason for moving manufacturing but it is not the reason. A 100% tariff would cost a company nearly 5 times as much to ship cars than to just pay American employees 20 bucks an hour. Tariffs are way more of a reason for why manufacturing is moved than wages are.