Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

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Joe's all excited that Julie Bindel followed him after he posted Rocco's birthday pic. And some simpleton even commented that they reported him to social services. Darlinks, he's relevant again! Time for champers!
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Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in! The Islamophobic liar, former feminist, and worst prose stylist in contemporary British journalism, Julie Bindel followed me on here today, along with a handful of other silly billies. The swarm was apparently prompted by my having posted a photograph of myself and my gorgeous son Rocco on his birthday—leading to a bloom sort of the “red flag! reported to social services!” that seem to come about whenever there’s too much meth at the church garden party. Disgusting as ever, but oddly good to feel up close once again the moral depravity of the anti-trans crowd.

Anyway, since you’re here, @juliebindel, I wonder i ppl u’ve had a chance (in the year since you last sicced your crowd of simpletons on me) to figure out whether you’d been talking shite about Kenyan feminism? For those who may not know, Julie’s shit book FEMINISM FOR WOMEN, which carries a blurp from that greatest of contemporary authors of children’s fiction about a private school for special wizards, makes much of an apparent difference between the decadent, Western, trans-affirming feminism of the UK and the US, and the authentic, gynecentric feminism of the Kenyan women’s retreat shelter of Umoja. Except, whoops, she forgot to check whether Umoja excludes trans women, or, if they did, how they checked.

She’s also demonstrated that she thinks the question is beneath her. Since we chatted about this last year, and the year before, I found out the answers (thanks to a few amazing conversations with Lesotho and Malawi activists). Wanna guess, Julie?
 
Bookwork said:
Joe's all excited that Julie Bindel followed him after he posted Rocco's birthday pic. And some simpleton even commented that they reported him to social services.
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Joe is so high from the supply. It’s a big deal for him that “big terf” Bindel followed him, despite his paranoia. (It would have been interesting to see Joe’s reaction without that fear mongering comment the simpleton left about reporting Joe to social services.) Joe trying to compete with Bindel about “true African feminist culture” is beautiful. He’s got so much to prove that he’s writing posts dedicated to her, all from a simple follow. Wonder if he wrote that horribly trite bait before or after the social services scare comment?
 
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Joe is so high from the supply. It’s a big deal for him that “big terf” Bindel followed him, despite his paranoia. (It would have been interesting to see Joe’s reaction without that fear mongering comment the simpleton left about reporting Joe to social services.) Joe trying to compete with Bindel about “true African feminist culture” is beautiful. He’s got so much to prove that he’s writing posts dedicated to her, all from a simple follow. Wonder if he wrote that horribly trite bait before or after the social services scare comment?
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So.......are troons allowed to live in this Kenyan women-only village Umoja? Seems extremely unlikely that an appreciable population of troons even exists in Kenya, much less that they'd try to pull a Michfest on Umoja. But apparently Joe heard otherwise from "amazing conversations with Lesotho activists" (Lesotho is 2000 miles away from Nairobi)?

EDIT: Umoja was founded by a Kenyan woman to help other women escape forced marriage, child marriage, and female genital mutilation. I don't know enough about Julie Bindel to have an opinion on her in general, but she wrote about the founding of Umoja, and its daily operations, here (archive). These Kenyan women have done something unusual and remarkable to fight sexist oppression in their culture. Bindel went there to report on it. Her article offers a clear feminist perspective.

Meanwhile, what does noted self-proclaimed feminist Joe have to contribute? Nothing more than poisonous sneering that someone from Lesotho told him that guys are totally allowed in Umoja. Really excellent feminist scholarship there, you fat ugly dickhead. Great job.
 
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I don't know enough about Julie Bindel to have an opinion on her in general
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Julie Bindel was kicking AGPs out of lesbian pub nights in the 1970s, so she’s an OG terf (and an actual radical feminist). She hates troons, prostitution, violence against women and children, the addition of the TQIA to LGB (and is dubious about fashionable female bisexuals), censorship and vegetarians. She has done a lot of substantial work to protect women and children through practical stuff like shelters, and also law reform. As an actual working class radical lesbian who didn’t go to university, and not a faux radical like Joe, Julie Bindel is obviously the great Satan.

BTW his sneering at her prose style is particularly obnoxious. She came from a poor area, and left school at 15 when she came out as a lesbian in the 1970s. She did not get the educational advantages Joe did - a selective grammar school, entry to Oxford, etc. At the age when he was flopping around university reading books, she was dealing with bloodied and bruised women who needed a place to stay, campaigning against police inaction over an infamous serial killer, and narrowly escaping him too. Polishing her prose style into the unreadable has not been a priority.
 
I actually much prefer Bindel's clear and direct writing over Joe's academic wank or Mallory's twee text-bricks.
Julie Bindel also has a really great sense of humor, despite investigating and writing about some really dark, lose-your-faith-in-humanity topics.
Her books are also probably outselling Please, Miss so Joe is eddying about in a narcissistic rage spiral.
 
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I did notice the new post was getting reach in certain terf circles. They don't understand, though, that he's infinitely funnier when he's ignored. They need to start flooding his posts with food critiques instead.
 
To demonstrate his deep beliefs, Joe should begin wearing a burqa whenever he's outside the shack. It would also serve to open a lively cross-cultural dialogue with devout Muslims in the region and get him back in all the British tabloids.

Look! A throuple!
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Islamaphobe Julie Bindel reported on the Pakistani grooming/rape gangs in northern England 20 years ago. So actual child abuse, unlike the accusations Jo and wifey made against her brother. I can see why that might make him a bit uncomfortable.
 
Julie Bindel also co-wrote the autobiography of Elizabeth Humphreys, a child who was abused in foster care, and investigated a child's death at the hands of a serial killer. If Joe tries anything with Rocco he's getting reported. Maybe she followed him to gather evidence.
 
That Joe, who believes in transition for it's own sake, should be hostile to the determinism of classic feminist thought is not in any way surprising. The fucker has written books about it. He currently believes (and i say currently because things were very different only 3 years ago) that men and women simply don't exist and that any attempt to separate the sexes is fundamentally fascist.
 
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He currently believes (and i say currently because things were very different only 3 years ago) that men and women simply don't exist and that any attempt to separate the sexes is fundamentally fascist.
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He impregnated a woman with his penis and now they have a male baby.
Joe is nonsensical.
 
I don't have the sense that Joe believes in anything other than sating the demands of his psychological malfunction. It all feels like an act to me and not a well-studied one.
 
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I don't have the sense that Joe believes in anything other than sating the demands of his psychological malfunction. It all feels like an act to me and not a well-studied one.
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Joe believed he was going to be the go-to trans twitter intellectual—but he’s too ugly and not at all witty, so now he believes in whatever crumbs of outrage he can lick off the taint of social media irrelevancy.
 
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