US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Imagine if we automate Walmart jobs, you get to do awesome manufacturing, accompanied by no illegals competing for that said job and your wage goes up.

SNAP usages will drop half....maybe completely. Walmart jobs are also subsidizef by SNAP.

The whole system is a fucking scam to destroy American workers and bailout managerial class who contribute nothing and make nothing, sustained by eternal money printing.
If we automate everything and get rid of all jobs, how will you justify your existence?
 
If we automate everything and get rid of all jobs, how will you justify your existence?

Do you think you’re going to be one of the few globohomo overlords with a bunch of machines making you whatever you want?

First, you’re a faggot. Second, working in a factory will come closer to justifying your existence than some desk job that AI is currently obsoleting. You might pick up some mechanical aptitude in a factory and be spared to help with robot maintenance

But anyways, if you do -nothing- to impede efficiency, then all the money eventually ends up in one account that owns everything.

So stop being smug
Without workers, these factories collapse. Don't be retarded. Having them in America is a bigger leverage for Americans than having them in fucking Vietnam.
 
Without workers, these factories collapse. Don't be retarded. Having them in America is a bigger leverage for Americans than having them in fucking Vietnam.
I deleted all of that because I leapt way ahead and thought you were saying something you weren’t from the first sentence.

I apologize. I’m over tired

Also I’m a third generation factory worker living in the Merrimack Valley where every city is a mill town from America’s Industrial Revolution. I’m like as pro American manufacturing as it’s possible to be
 
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

It's better then just sitting around doing nothing and watching everything continue to get worse.
As BMJ says, don't be a pussy, bet it all.
 
There is no guarantee the factories will come. No one is expecting them to be built overnight what we are skeptical of is if they will be built at all. Trump is gambling so much on the chance of companies opening factories and hoping they succeed.
This is probably the biggest gamble the United States has done for itself since the Cuban Missile Crisis, when the fate of humanity was quite literally on its hands, a lot of things really have to go right in the 4 years trump is in office, and whatever happens after he is done, it really looks like we either successfully re-industrialize, which mind you, has never happened before, so we are in uncharted territory, or we get another Great Depression.

Hectic times we are living in, Fuck.
 
It's not a theoretical loss, it is a loss.

So when the stock price goes up you should pay taxes on the gains, even though they're similarly unrealized? Should teams down at halftime just go home because they've already lost? You still own as much of the company as you did before. The only thing that has changed is how other people value that asset. Even that is an oversimplification because that price is for a specific amount of trading volume, which is a small fraction of the overall number of shares. Any significant excess of shares being sold in a short period of time would cause the price to drop. Similarly if the trading volume is low enough, an unusual number of purchases can make the price spike temporarily. It's all only hypothetical value until it's sold to someone else.

I traded money for partial ownership in firms. That money became tiny slices of firms. At the point of time of the inauguration, the value of the slices that I owned was high (Value = X) and then dropped significantly recently (Value = X-0.35X). That is a loss.

I think most people here understand how stocks work and have a 401k or some kind of retirement account that is invested partially or wholly in stocks. I get regular statements for mine and it goes up and down all the time even without large market reactions to events like this. I'm not worried about any of this because it will look like noise over the full lifetime of the account. The only way I lose is if I panic like an idiot because I'm worried about losing money and pull out my investment. It'll go back up just like the dozens of times it has before despite there being some quarters that were down.

Anyone worried about the prices dropping even more doesn't realize that if things were ever to go completely tits up and the market were to completely crash, the money they have wouldn't be worth shit. Money is just a medium of exchange to facilitate commerce. If no one's producing anything, the money is useless.
 
This is probably the biggest gamble the United States has done for itself since the Cuban Missile Crisis, when the fate of humanity was quite literally on its hands, a lot of things really have to go right in the 4 years trump is in office, and whatever happens after he is done, it really looks like we either successfully re-industrialize, which mind you, has never happened before, so we are in uncharted territory, or we get another Great Depression.

Hectic times we are living in, Fuck.
Dude it’s not. Manufacturing is as scalable as any business. I know a guy whose company is just himself and he’s a defense contractor in his garage

Successful manufacturing can be like a drop shipping business, as long as you have one piece of equipment with which to perform one value added process
 
There is no guarantee the factories will come. No one is expecting them to be built overnight what we are skeptical of is if they will be built at all. Trump is gambling so much on the chance of companies opening factories and hoping they succeed.
This is literally better than slowly dying and each generation being set off worse than the last. Trump is playing the best hand he can possibly make with the shittiest cards dealt to him because previous admins did not leverage tariffs to support our industries and current admins are paid out by corporations to continue with the status quo. We lost our iron, steel, lumber, automobile, clothing. and currently technology manufacturing businesses because politicians have actively refused to try and implement smart tariffs to protect our industries. Without something as drastic as this we are going to slowly die over the course of generations,
 
This is probably the biggest gamble the United States has done for itself since the Cuban Missile Crisis, when the fate of humanity was quite literally on its hands, a lot of things really have to go right in the 4 years trump is in office, and whatever happens after he is done, it really looks like we either successfully re-industrialize, which mind you, has never happened before, so we are in uncharted territory, or we get another Great Depression.

Hectic times we are living in, Fuck.
Again why not just give more subsidies which are guaranteed to get things done.

I don't want to hear "muh corporatism" or "muh free market" by supporting the tariffs at all you are conceding that some things super cede the free market in importance
 
Frankly I'm surprised we don't have a proof of concept where you could have one wall be a massive high resolution screen that you can basically have streams or HDMI inputs displayed as windows on the screen you can drag around, resize, and overlap.

We have the technology and there's at least one or two rich fucks that would buy one.
Wall-sized multi-panel TVs exist but the real problem for having them in residential housing is how much power they use. Linus Sebastian has a mansion that he's set up to not only have multiple cooling units, but each cooling unit's ducts are set up to service multiple thermostats where they dynamically open and close vents so that the cooling ends up where it needs to go and when he was looking at putting in one of Samsung's TV walls he would have had to redo his HVAC with commercial units to deal with all the heat they put off. Even with standard large OLED TVs they have to balance how much power they draw by dimming the brightness if there's too much white on screen at once. To make them work they need their own dedicated high amperage circuits with dedicated cooling capacity that turns on when you turn the screens on.

It's the kind of thing you have to build/remodel a house around and generally not a value-add for prospective buyers because they're so much of a hassle to keep up compared to a projector that's 90% as good, a tenth the cost, minimal upkeep, and if you decide you want to do something else with that space you can just pull the projector down and repaint the white wall
 
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America has a 5% unemployment rate. Most of which is kids, retired people and the rest is druggie criminals you don't want to be around. Who is going to work in these factories Trump wants to build ? The birth rate is low so it's not like we have more factory workers coming down the pipes.
I think we all know the answer with the H1B freakout from musk
 
Trump gave an interview about the tariffs on Air Force One:
Rapid Response 47 - WATCH IN FULL: @POTUS speaks to reporters aboard Air Force One [1909039620...mp4
Source (Archive)

In it, he says that he's not going to make any deals with other countries that don't lower our trade deficit with them.
Lol, that optimism. "We're going to make a trillion dollars off tariffs, and companies are going to bring manufacturing to the US." I'd settle for an either/or, seems much more realistic, especially if we're also using them as a stick in negotiations.
Idk why I can’t reply to the post
It's too long, you can only have quotes up to a certain length. Highlight a portion and then an option to reply/quote will pop up dynamically.
Yes, he is a retarded pedophile
Proof, nigger?
Hectic times we are living in, Fuck.
Yeah, may you live in interesting times is a curse. I guess the argument in favor of the disruption is we'd already been sleepwalking through interesting times...well, it seems history's not over yet either way.
 
I think we all know the answer with the H1B freakout from musk
Since factories are one of the only places you can start making over $20/hour with no experience, some of the government workers Elon fired would work in factories

Factories give you stability that’s usually reserved for office people, like the same shift every day, weekends off, employer sponsored benefits, some kind of profit sharing or retirement account matching, etc etc etc

That’s even now while we keep fucking the industry over
 
Thats the thing the confounds me, who really wants to work in factories with long hours in probably shitty wages unless they literally have no other choice?, do we need to accept more immigrants to make up for this?

In much of the developed world, there's this cultural expectation from society that landing a comfy white collar job means you're successful, to the point that we now have a shortage of blue-collar jobs, even despite having decent or sometimes better salaries than some white-collar professions, its not like you'll be shunned, but there's definitely this undertone people will see you as "lower", "less intelligent", and not as deserving of the same level of respect if you decided on a more physically-laborious career, which is in my opinion is bullshit and we would be better off if we got rid of the stigma.

How can we undo this norm that has developed in the decades following de-industrialization, because this is probably one the biggest hurdles against bringing manufacturing back home?
Factories need White Collar “officer” staff to run them, perform R&D. I’m one of them here.
 
I echo that. This is the first time in ages that I've been in a cash position right as a downtrend has happened and I'm really fighting the urge to start buying in again.


It’s been years since I saw that. I’d have sworn the song was “Sinnerman”, from the end of the Thomas Crowne Affair remake (rare remake that’s better than the original).

My favorite little musical moment of the show was Kosh bringing Sheridan to the secret alien monks.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jli3ruqWYlc
It's about time we replace Captain Planet posting with Babylon 5 posting. To captain planet spergs, as the humans say "up yours, die!"
 
Since factories are one of the only places you can start making over $20/hour with no experience, some of the government workers Elon fired would work in factories

Factories give you stability that’s usually reserved for office people, like the same shift every day, weekends off, employer sponsored benefits, some kind of profit sharing or retirement account matching, etc etc etc

That’s even now while we keep fucking the industry over
I wager there are a good many Americans who are listed as "employed" who would much prefer working a single 9 to 5 factory job with benefits over the two or three part-time retail and delivery jobs with no benefits that they're working now.

Most of the people I know are working in a main underemployment McJob and have a side hustle to keep afloat, or they're disabled/retired, or they sell drugs or counterfeit/stolen items on Ebay. The drug dealers and scammers won't be interested, the disabled/retired are too fucked up to work the factories, but some of them wouldn't mind taking a part-time McJob shift. The multi-job/hustle crowd would kill for the opportunity for a nice clean factory job. There will be fewer Doordash and Uber drivers, but no dearth of factory applicants.
 
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