Unpopular Opinions about Video Games

[Spud]

You're quite insistent that nothing in the Souls games is obtuse at all.

Funny thing is the opposite is true, the soulsbourne games are only played because are you really going to let niponese code beat you?

 

[The Ugly One]

Funny thing is the opposite is true, the soulsbourne games are only played because are you really going to let niponese code beat you?

I don't know how far I got into Demon's Souls before I realized this was the kind of game meant to be played with the wiki open. Not all that far, maybe that giant knight. I should play Demon's Souls again. I think my PS3 still works.

 

[capitalBBustard]

How do you know a game-breaking glitch somebody else says they experienced doesn't exist unless you tried to replicate the same glitch?

One NPC is permanently stuck in a well until you give him his armor back and the other NPC is a merchant that moves to the home base if you somehow missed your chance to buy the armor from him. Just talking to them can't sequence break any part of the questline.

You'd have to do something retarded like selling the armor or discarding it to brick it.

Are we reading the same post?

Yeah, the one where he believes he can't have a proper dex build because he started with the wrong class. Instead of playing the game and putting a few points into str he had to obsessively reroll because of another retard. This is clearly the game's fault somehow.

I looked this up, thief starts at level 5 with 9 str, knight starts at lvl 9 with 13 str. Rerolling was literally pointless if he'd dumped those 4 lvls into str. His entire problem was self-made.

You're quite insistent that nothing in the Souls games is obtuse at all.

There's a myriad of obtuse shit in these games, eg questlines and stat related shit like soft caps and breakpoints for rolling and whatnot.

Leveling dex to eg 20 because the weapon says you need 20 dex to use it is not obtuse. You don't need a guide for shit where the game literally says "you can't use this weapon". Half of lilbros complaints were straight up horseshit (reloading the zone for the bird, breaking the quest, the skip being the intended way to get to the bird, the "real ending").

 

[The Ugly One]

Leveling dex to eg 20 because the weapon says you need 20 dex to use it is not obtuse.

Needing to start with a STR class so you can get to a good DEX build faster is obtuse.

 

[capitalBBustard]

Needing to start with a STR class so you can get to a good DEX build faster is obtuse.

You don't need to start with a str class to get a dex build going at all. You get enough souls for like 5 levels before you can even level up. That's like 15 minutes into the game.

Weapons have minimum stat requirements. You need dex to wield str weapons too. You're naturally gonna end up putting a few points in your secondary stat whether you're going str or dex build, just so you can wield/try out weapons.

 

[The Ugly One]

People who think there will be a video game collapse somehow don't grasp how big of a form of entertainment games are. The industry is going nowhere, game devs having to cut jobs in these last couple years is as close as you're going to get when it comes to a gaming collapse.

There won't be a total industry collapse, but some of the giant brands we're used to seeing might die. Bioware's number is coming up soon. And if Activision fucks up WoW and Call of Duty, what do they even have?

 

[The Ugly One]

You don't need to start with a str class to get a dex build going at all. You get enough souls for like 5 levels before you can even level up. That's like 15 minutes into the game.

Weapons have minimum stat requirements. You need dex to wield str weapons too. You're naturally gonna end up putting a few points in your secondary stat whether you're going str or dex build, just so you can wield/try out weapons.

Rather than getting mad and calling @Judge Dredd an idiot and a liar, I decided to look it up myself. Mind you, I haven't played this game since it came out, and I only ever did one playthrough. The issue with Thief seemed immediately obvious.



The Knight only has one point less DEX than the Thief, but the Thief starts with a cumulative 8 points less VGR & VIT than the Knight. For a melee-focused class, regardless of whether you go DEX or STR, health & defense are a lot more important than Luck. Getting a few extra health grasses or whatever they are is nice, but not really critical. Being able to take a hit matters far more. You will get hit sooner or later. The thief having an extra 2 points in INT and ATN are basically useless. The point less in Endurance isn't helpful, either, as Stamina's a pretty key resource. Granted, the Knight needs more XP to hit his next level, but he's still starting off with an all-around better stat distribution than the Thief.

So yes, if you want to go with a DEX-based build, Thief is kind of a shit starting class, blowing 7 full points in Luck that would really be better spent elsewhere. And that's not something that is obvious right away. Picking Thief is generally the obvious choice in RPGs for a DEX-based character, and it turns out that in Dark Souls, it's really not that great.

 

[Kulee Baba]

There won't be a total industry collapse, but some of the giant brands we're used to seeing might die. Bioware's number is coming up soon. And if Activision fucks up WoW and Call of Duty, what do they even have?

WoW will literally never die. The current stats claim they have 7 Million+ Active Players. How much of that are people who just don’t bother cancelling their accounts I have to imagine is an insane chunk. Even if they lost 90% of that somehow EverQuest in the Year of our Lord 2025 continues getting expansion packs. I can’t even comprehend how anyone is still playing EQ. Then again people still play Runescape in all it’s mediocrity.

And as for COD Black Ops 6 is in no harm whatsoever Xbox Game Pass made it one of the popular games of the year and it still did well on Steam and PlayStation. COD is like Madden, FIFA, and NBA2K they just print money no matter how much the real fans with any taste think it sucks or has gone stale.

 

[capitalBBustard]

So yes, if you want to go with a DEX-based build, Thief is kind of a shit starting class,

It's a good thing the thief isn't "the" dex class, and isn't a fully melee focused class either. It's the low level class with a bleed knife and a bow.

If you're gonna be that anal, then you might as well look up the actual melee dex class, which happens to start with the single most OP weapon in the game, and also learn that knight is not a str class, it's the class for quality(50/50 str&dex) builds. The actual str class is warrior.

You might ask how the lying moron is supposed to know this, to which I would point you to the class description you see when picking classes.

What an obtuse game.

 

[The Ugly One]

It's a good thing the thief isn't "the" dex class, and isn't a fully melee focused class either. It's the low level class with a bleed knife and a bow.

Choosing "thief" in any RPG should mean "choosing a good DEX build," because dexterity being the prime stat for thieves has been the case since Gygax & Arneson invented ability scores and classes. You shouldn't have to go over everything with a fine-toothed comb to not get hosed.

which happens to start with the single most OP weapon in the game

That's not actually in the class description. You can only know that by reading the wiki. His whole point is that which options are good and which are traps is not obvious unless you're reading a guide the whole time, which is pretty much how every one of the Souls games has been.

As for the "onion man" glitch, what he probably ran into is this:

• NOTE: If you didn't talk to him when you first saw him on the elevator, he will despawn. However, if you go to the Fire Demon, his dialogue will appear, and he will join you to fight the demon. If you die during the fight he will spawn again. If he dies during the fight, he will not respawn

Hardly intuitive, and if a player thinks an NPC suddenly disappearing with no apparent reason is some kind of glitch, he's not lying or stupid, because RPG NPCs don't normally do that. You have no cause to be so furious about this.


I'm starting to think maybe @Judge Dredd really did play the game and it just makes you super incredibly mad.

 

[capitalBBustard]

Choosing "thief" in any RPG should mean "choosing a good DEX build." You shouldn't have to go over everything with a fine-toothed comb to not get hosed.

Reading the class description that says "this is the dex character with swords" is not going over with a fine-toothed comb.

 

[The Ugly One]

Reading the class description that says "this is the dex character with swords" is not going over with a fine-toothed comb.

Nothing in there about its starting weapon being OP. Here's the description for the Thief:

A common thief and pitiful deserter. Wields a dagger intended for backstabs alongside a military-issue bow.

Nothing there indicates it's a shit build, broadly inferior to the Knight for what you'd commonly expect a Thief to do. You'd have to either use the wiki or do a stat-by-stat comparison.

You used a wiki on your first playthrough so you'd know what the good options were, didn't you? No shame in that. Just stop pretending it was all intuitive to you and getting so angry at people pointing out an obvious flaw in how the game presents its starting options.

 

[capitalBBustard]

That's not actually in the class description.

This a retarded non-sequitur. Didn't imply it did.

which options are good and which are traps

There are no traps, retard. I literally explained that within a handful of levels, which you will acquire by the time you unlock the ability to level up, you can completely negate the supposed level discrepancy between the two classes when it comes to str.

I'm starting to think maybe @Judge Dredd really did play the game and it just makes you super incredibly mad.

Yes, the several obvious lies about the game convinced you he really played it. "Starting to think" is an oxymoron if there ever was one.

Seeing as you're inhaling his dick and making excuses for his retardation, wanna explain those lies instead of whining about what the word thief should imply in your mind only?

As for the "onion man" glitch, what he probably ran into is this:

Oh wait you did. And you immediately fell on your face. I don't know what you expected to happen when you have no frame of reference, and why you would even think to post about it.

This is one; not a glitch, despite the word despawn confusing you,
two; a step of the quest that gets skipped anyway if you don't do it so it literally can't brick the quest,
three; not the scene your pet retard was talking about.
That lying moron was talking about the encounter where a guy steals his armor and lowers you as you try to cross a makeshift bridge.

See, it's immediately obvious what he's talking about, given that you actually played the fucking game that is. I am genuinely baffled why you went on this autistic crusade to preserve his honor, when you are clueless.

Atleast the retard has seemingly watched a video of the game, despite never having played it, so he could infer something resembling it. Before fucking it up with a flimsy lie.

he's not lying or stupid,

As seen above, yes he is to both. You're swiftly approaching the second, considering you decided to carry water for him when you didn't even know what he meant but erroneously assumed he was right anyway.

That said, wanna try another one? Maybe explain how the retard thought the only way to get to the bird was through a speedrun skip? That's the part that makes it really obvious he just watched videos, cause people running the game never go the actual route which is why he wouldn't know about it.

Nothing in there about its starting weapon being OP.

That's an irrelevant tangent you're hung up on retard. The game says it's a dex class with a sword, yet here you are several posts in spitshining a lie about how obtuse the game is regarding which class would be good for a dex character. Couldn't possibly be the one that literally says "dexterity".

Nothing there indicates it's a shit build,

It's not a "build" you schmuck, it's a starting class. Starting gear is viable on every class, and stat differences you can correct any time.

You are autistically hung up on this "thief should mean x y" shit, which is somehow meant to superceede information the game gives you about itself. Which you are directly quoting. Class differences almost completely disappear once you start leveling and getting more items.

do a stat-by-stat comparison.

You'll never guess what information that same screen where you pick classes displays. I wonder if the retard who wanted a dex build could've just seen which class had the most dexterity and was suited for his build he already decided upon before even starting the game.

Nah man, very obtuse. Need the wiki.

See this is what's baffling. There's a lot shit in these games you would never fucking know about without an outside explanation. The shit you're autistically screeching about is not one of them.

You used a wiki on your first playthrough

Nigger, I picked a class and didn't give a shit like a normal person playing a video game. Novel concept, right? And that's going back to DS1 when I didn't know dickall about these games and just played it because people made a big hubbub about getting the game ported to PC. Somehow it didn't result in my game falling apart.

You seem completely hungup on this wikifaggotry nonsense, for games you yourself seemingly didn't play. Maybe that's why you find the heaping garbage peddled by a lying moron convincing, it sounds exactly like the game you made up in your head instead of the real game you never played.

But that just makes you a blithering retard to anyone that did play it, same as him. How about you stop projecting your own self being upset, cause for the 4th time, you got so tilted by my mean words to a blatant liar, you started sperging out on his behalf on a subject you knew fuckall about.

 

[Thiletonomics]

I legitimately can't think of another player base of a franchise that is more willing to spend money on total fucking diarrhea, complain about it and then spend more money. They actively hate the fucking franchise now but refuse to do the one thing that might send EA a message about what they want or don't want: stop fucking buying shit. The people who play gacha games, mobile games or Madden might come close in that respect but I still think people who play The Sims take the cake. For fuck's sake, LGR built his YouTube career on The Sims and now he dreads new expansion packs coming out for TS4 because people expect him to review it even though he hates TS4. TS3 was the peak and it's all downhill from here unless one of the competing titles can manage to poach the few reasonable people left who aren't just playing TS2 + TS3 endlessly.

The only other fanbase that could come to mind is Blizzard game players, namely World of Warcraft players, since it's been going for 20 years and how many or so expansion packs already. They also nickle and dime their fanbase with microtransactions too, i.e. the infamous $90 Brutosaur mount that was sold during the 20th anniversary, and it was a for a limited time too since Blizzard loves their FOMO tactics.

 

[Fig Kommandant]

I really dislike radiuses in city-builders. I get them in principle, but a lot of games make the effect radius of a building way too small. I'm trying Citadelum right now and my tax office has a diameter of of 20 meters, anything outside of it, I can't get taxes from. Anno has been moving away from that, I wish the rest of city builders did too.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Naw, it wasnt that bad.

Arcades were still fine. In some ways, it was a bit of a boon because my dad picked up an assload of atari carts for cheap. But yeah, the american console scene died and nothing new came out till the NES arrived. But the thing is, by that time 8 bit computers were really making inroads. Alot of my friends who had intellivisions and ataris simply switched over the c64 and never looked back.

Sadly, Atari had the 7800 ready to go in 1984. And if they had released it with the proper marketing campaign it may have been able to mitigate the crash and keep a chunk of the market from nintendo, which only came to market in NA in 1985. But they put it off until 86, which was by then too late.

The 7800 was a fine console for the era too. While its graphics hardware was a small step below the NES, it could push alot more sprites. The real issue was the sound..the 7800 had the atari 2600 sound chip instead of the POKEY chip found in the atari 5200.

It really would be interesting to see how this would have affected the console market in North America if it has been released in 84

The 7800 had something the NES didn't. Ninja Golf. All you Soulsborne hoes need to chill and play some Ninja Golf.

 

[Spud]

There won't be a total industry collapse

I think the collapse already happened, not in terms of financial collapse but rather a collapse in ideas and thoughtful games with interesting mechanics and that work from day 1. There's not going to be another game like the OG Deus Ex when COD 1488 NIGGER KILLER DIVISION can sell millions at 90 dollars for a "deluxe we're lazy so all the content is getting cut and put into a season pass edition" that release the same day as game that will CTD extensively full of AI bots that use aim bot and a matchmaking that aims to give players a 50/50 win rate with added MTXs. Games use to just come on the disc using every megabyte to create a fun and enjoyable game. There was a lot of trash games back then as well but there was at least a modicum of effort that was needed to make shovel-ware when today anyone can download UE5/Unity and shit out a unoptimized "Insert job" simulator game for $15.

 

[The Ugly One]

I think the collapse already happened, not in terms of financial collapse but rather a collapse in ideas and thoughtful games with interesting mechanics and that work from day 1. There's not going to be another game like the OG Deus Ex when COD 1488 NIGGER KILLER DIVISION can sell millions at 90 dollars for a "deluxe we're lazy so all the content is getting cut and put into a season pass edition" that release the same day as game that will CTD extensively full of AI bots that use aim bot and a matchmaking that aims to give players a 50/50 win rate with added MTXs. Games use to just come on the disc using every megabyte to create a fun and enjoyable game. There was a lot of trash games back then as well but there was at least a modicum of effort that was needed to make shovel-ware when today anyone can download UE5/Unity and shit out a unoptimized "Insert job" simulator game for $15.

Not to rain on the Deus Ex parade, but it is an extreme outlier that sold the vast majority of units after its first year (1m lifetime, only around 200K in year 1). That's rare in games. It was a relatively obscure title that got signal-boosted later. Typical of the blockbuster back then was Halo 1 & 2. Shallow, a little brainless, and derided by PC Master Race gamers for being 30 fps and 640x480, but, to your point, a lot of fun and wasn't shoving a battle pass in your face.

 

[The Last Stand]

I'm actually anticipating Gears of War: E-Day and that MOUSE Cuphead inspired shooter more than GTA VI. If E-Day could return to form like the original Gears of War in atmosphere and graphical scope, I think it could revive the Xbox brand or become a cult classic.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

GTA VI is going to be shit.