US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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For anyone saying "he's not overturning them, he's nullifying them" it doesn't matter, there is literally no avenue anywhere in any of our foundational documents that allows for anything to happen to a presidential pardon once it has been executed. Nothing can be done to it.

There is absolutely no law on this subject. It would need to literally be built de novo, from the ground up. One would need to establish standing to even challenge something, let along nullify it. Just the issue of standing to even bring a challenge of a presidential pardon would need to be established, and ultimately the SCOTUS would likely have to take it up and decide if standing could be established. If standing could be established, to have even the slightest chance to challenge a presidential pardon one would need to prove that the president didn't actually grant the pardon. You'd need evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt" of a massive conspiracy to issue pardon's that were not granted by the president. Evidence that rises to that level just isn't likely to exist. People don't seem to understand that when a legal pathway doesn't exist you can't just will it into existence. Even the president can't do that. There is an entire process that needs to occur.
 
Ghostse said:
Agreed. At best its a waste of time, at worst that is a door I don't want to see opened.
This is hilarious, but at the same time I'd rather move forward. Do a Truth and Reconcilliation council for the COVID fuckers but its time to stop the petty squabbling over what's happened.
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It’s a bit annoying since I can see how tempting it is to fall into cheerleader mode over it being entertaining, makes me feel like a killjoy at these times.
 
Going forward the auto pen should have a little needle in it like a glucometer test that pricks their finger and puts some blood in the signature for forensic analysis to confirm the signature involved the president
 
Sithis said:
Going forward the auto pen should have a little needle in it like a glucometer test that pricks their finger and puts some blood in the signature for forensic analysis to confirm the signature involved the president
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Or you could just have the president stamp their thumb on it. They have security clearance their fingerprints are on record if anyone challenges them.
 
The Last Stand said:
Does this mean that Trump could investigate Biden himself since he wasn't pardoned?
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Yes he could. But no he won't.

Biden is protected by executive privilege which is he can't be proscuted for any actions he took at the top executive as long as those actions were not done with criminal intent. It would be virtually impossible to prove this (it didn't stop retarded Democrats & the skwad from starting to try against Trump) as the president in question could say "I did this because I believed it to be the best course of the action for the county" and any attempts at fuckery are sunk.
Even if that weren't the case, pretty much any judge in the country is going to toss the case straight out on its merit (or lack there of)


Prokhor Zakharov said:
For anyone saying "he's not overturning them, he's nullifying them" it doesn't matter, there is literally no avenue anywhere in any of our foundational documents that allows for anything to happen to a presidential pardon once it has been executed. Nothing can be done to it.

There is absolutely no law on this subject. It would need to literally be built de novo, from the ground up. One would need to establish standing to even challenge something, let along nullify it. Just the issue of standing to even bring a challenge of a presidential pardon would need to be established, and ultimately the SCOTUS would likely have to take it up and decide if standing could be established. If standing could be established, to have even the slightest chance to challenge a presidential pardon one would need to prove that the president didn't actually grant the pardon. You'd need evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt" of a massive conspiracy to issue pardon's that were not granted by the president. Evidence that rises to that level just isn't likely to exist. People don't seem to understand that when a legal pathway doesn't exist you can't just will it into existence. Even the president can't do that. There is an entire process that needs to occur.
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The case law already exists in the thousands of "Grandma was too senile to know what she was signing" cases out there. The question is going to be if Trump can prove that Biden didn't/was too incompetent to approve signing the documents.

the fact I don't think he's going to be able to prove a negative doesn't stop him from being able to try
 
Dumbledore's Onlyfans said:
Name 5 things Kamala Harris would have done to fix the economy that Trump isn't doing.

Name 5 ways that Kamala Harris would have worked for the middle class's "best interests" that Trump isn't doing.

You can't, because Kamala Harris's only platform planks were "I'm not Trump" and "I'm a black woman". The Biden administration's policies, which presumably Kamala Harris would have continued since she had no platform of her own, are what led directly to our economy being the shambles that it's in right now. So your "voting against their own best interests" condescending and out of touch argument is moot.

The only rational vote that one could make in the 2024 election was for someone to do SOMETHING other than continue with the status quo. The status quo has already proven itself to be disastrous, so taking a chance on a disaster that we DON'T know makes more sense than voting for the disaster that we DO know. Even if Trump's policies do turn out shitty in the long run, at least he tried, and that's 100% more than Biden or Harris ever did.
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She had only one unique thought and that was price controls to fix the problem of groceries exploding in price (durrr, it magically happened the moment Trump came into office, muh eggs)
We would be starving and anybody who complained and trended online for a well thought out complaint would be greeted with an FBI raid at 4 in the morning and getting shot in the face.
 
TerminalTryHard said:
After the Epstein files "release" I don't there's much of a plan here. Just Trump using a scatter shot offense to the keep the dems reacting.

Send them scurrying to try and figure if he has any proof or not and panicking that someone talked.
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Former Trump voter here. There is no plan. Trump is just insane. He’s tearing up alliances to help support Putin, his supporters have this insane idea that protesting at a Tesla station is terrorism, and the economy is collapsing while innocent citizens are getting disappeared in foreign nations without due process because they’re just brown.
 
Prokhor Zakharov said:
For anyone saying "he's not overturning them, he's nullifying them" it doesn't matter, there is literally no avenue anywhere in any of our foundational documents that allows for anything to happen to a presidential pardon once it has been executed. Nothing can be done to it.
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Literally the stance of "even if it was fraudulently attributed to Biden it's still valid."

Amazing. How do you look in black robes? ;)
Sithis said:
Going forward the auto pen should have a little needle in it like a glucometer test that pricks their finger and puts some blood in the signature for forensic analysis to confirm the signature involved the president
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You laugh but this is done with certain famous people. They have pens that have ink with DNA samples in it so it can be later verified as authentic.
 
Prokhor Zakharov said:
For anyone saying "he's not overturning them, he's nullifying them" it doesn't matter, there is literally no avenue anywhere in any of our foundational documents that allows for anything to happen to a presidential pardon once it has been executed. Nothing can be done to it.

There is absolutely no law on this subject. It would need to literally be built de novo, from the ground up. One would need to establish standing to even challenge something, let along nullify it. Just the issue of standing to even bring a challenge of a presidential pardon would need to be established, and ultimately the SCOTUS would likely have to take it up and decide if standing could be established. If standing could be established, to have even the slightest chance to challenge a presidential pardon one would need to prove that the president didn't actually grant the pardon. You'd need evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt" of a massive conspiracy to issue pardon's that were not granted by the president. Evidence that rises to that level just isn't likely to exist. People don't seem to understand that when a legal pathway doesn't exist you can't just will it into existence. Even the president can't do that. There is an entire process that needs to occur.
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All Trump and his team did was accuse the last day pardons of being forgeries created by Biden's staffers without his knowledge. If that is true, then they will be disregarded as illegitimate like any other forgery. There is plenty of established law in regards to faking legal documents, what is happening is a big deal, but not wholly unprecedented.
 
Desu Mountain said:
Not quite. He said he signed something completely different.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jw6k4rpL0aY
Also, I can no longer download anything from youtube since neither yt-dlp or any of the downloader sites I used work for me anymore.
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good Monday morning
archived 720pversion of the youtube (tiktok?) video
 
Puff said:
That's actually pretty suggestive. If they were authorized, why not autopen them all?
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Because Hunter had a metaphorical gun to Biden's head. If it was just another pardon then he would have done it on his last day like the others. Hunter wanted to take no chances with his dad's health declining and jailtime coming, so he forced him to sign a massive blanked pardon early and probably even had him sign it in front of him.

Betonhaus said:
Make the autopen have a fingerprint scanner and require a successful scan to sign?
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Then what happens if they hack it or someone recreates the signature on an autopen without a biolock? Just do a real signature or add a thumb print so if anyone has any concerns they can see the original paper and confirm if it was them or not.
 
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