Canada is a failed state

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King Metalia said:
People who were actually born in Canada like us deserve jobs here more than Indian immigrants, who don't even bother to learn fucking English.
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But have you considered the position of the most deserving community? The landed laurentine elite can't compete with american yuppies unless the Canadian economy grows and funnels that growth into their pockets. Well, that per capita GDP hasn't budged in ages and Canada keeps losing its most promising talent and entrepreneurs to the US. That just means that wages have to go down to make sure that CAD goes to its proper final recipients. Cost of living too has to explode through competition for housing, which you naturally can't be allowed to own, so that you can't save up money to leave the country, and thus deprive the most noble of personages from wining and dining at Martha's Vineyard and skiing at Aspen with silicon valley tech bros.

Really, when you think about the REAL voting base of the country, it makes perfect sense why more 'jeets are needed. There are still so many more opportunities to degrade native born canadians into an indebted class of indentured servants working for a hereditary nobility. God save the king, and all that jazz.
 
jje100010001 said:
Despite their insistence on being 'pure laine', they are really just French-flavored North American whites. If you look at Saint Pierre and Miquelon, the people are far less North American in terms of their lives and culture despite being right beside Newfoundland and effectively non-existent in the eyes of France.

Ironically I also think that majority of Canadian aboriginals are like this too, and are culturally close to poor rural whites with a large part of their 'aboriginalness' layered on top (whatever they could recreate after the 50s), though most would not like to admit this.


There's also the thing about the Innu and other aboriginals in the far north getting opportunities to renegotiate their deals. Quebec likes to claim that their relationship with the aboriginals are far better and that provinces are indivisible, but the aboriginals are the ones living there, and the messiness of independence offers them the opportunity to get far better deals negotiating between Canada and Quebec. I would not be surprised if they get their own territory or province regardless of which side they stay on.

And of course the big hydroelectrical dams and mining potential are all in their territories...
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Ill push back a bit and say that the Quebecois are maybe onto something on being 'more French' than metropolitan France. My granpere's generation was probably the last to be raised like this, but before the 1960s, Quebec was basically what all the trad-caths wet dream today was. Highly Catholic, very rural, very traditional, lots of interesting folklore, rugged, people living innawoods in random farm settlements, etc. Other than Montreal and Quebec city, Id like to imagine that the way of life there was largely unchanged for centuries, at least in tone. If you look at things, while not French-French in either the modern sense or the ancient continental, the French revolution largely skipped over Quebec, whereas it completely altered and transformed French society on the continent.

Id call the Quebecois frontier French, the same way that Canadians and Americans are frontier Anglos. There is a unifying frontier culture that unites all three in a great sense, that I don't think most of Latin America has with their recreation of the caste system and class system and largely metropolitan emphasis. You might see some of that in the North West of Mexico, but its a highly urbanized society in a way that colonial North America never was.

If you look at Quebec today, youre absolutely right that Quebecois are basically just like Americans, with some extra spices on top. Its the same with the aboriginals as well. Same basic lifestyle and values, just with a few religious quirks, cultural legends, and flavors mixed in superficially.

But for pure French culture, I think theres room for reasonable arguments here that they may have once had something that tied itself in a stronger way to old tradition. Now, I'd probably argue not.

Arguably, Quebec had better historical ties to aboriginals when it was more trad (for example, they loved the Metis, Louis Riel, and were the biggest advocate for natives in Western provinces against the Anglos). They ironically were also the biggest enthusiasts for residential schools, when I used to read the government archives, 90% of the school were run by French jesuits.

Its ironic though, because modern Quebecois history, after the quiet revolution, mirrors a lot of liberal Canada in many ways. They profess to want to champion the downtrodden further, like with the natives, want secularization, etc- but wind up being worse for all the most ironic reasons.

If you want evidence of this, look at the Oka crisis, look at the relationship between the Quebecois and the Mohawk, look at how they constantly have tensions with random tribes within the province in the north over mining rights. Neo-liberal Quebec, which it barely is but its the only title I can maybe give to these series of policies, really choose to fuck with native's landrights in the name of business, while preaching UN values and reconciliation. Its a really bizarre thing where the non-business friendly, arguably "racist", trad Quebec respected natives more, and the modern Quebec has its own series of problems they never had. "They are our noble savage, and you will leave them alone" vs "bless us with your cultural diversity and 2spirit guidance, also we need to build a golf course on your land for the friendly developers".

There's a lot that could be said of Quebec, but not going to drag it on much more. Was watching videos of the old Rideau valley in the north, the shield between Quebec and Ontario where my family has been for centuries, and it gave me a pang of national pride and nostalgia. I love the frontier, I love where my family is from, and Im just so sad that things are this bad
 
King Metalia said:
People who were actually born in Canada like us deserve jobs here more than Indian immigrants, who don't even bother to learn fucking English.
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Even if they did learn English and adapted to the old stock Canadian culture. I still don't want ugly brown people here.

They need to go back and build India into the Super-power they claim it is.

Id call the Quebecois frontier French, the same way that Canadians and Americans are frontier Anglos. There is a unifying frontier culture that unites all three in a great sense, that I don't think most of Latin America has with their recreation of the caste system and class system and largely metropolitan emphasis. You might see some of that in the North West of Mexico, but its a highly urbanized society in a way that colonial North America never was.
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Also to add onto this @DiscoRodeo great post btw. Frontier Anglos were literally on the frontier / borderlands between Northern England Scotland and then first moved to the Plantation of Ulster (trial run) before being moved to the 13 Plantations of America. (Not colonies because they exploited Whites in tenfold more ways than their valuable Negro slaves) (See James LaFond's series of novels on "Plantation America")
 
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I also consider it fascinating how massively the Catholic church was sidelined by the Quiet Revolution and the importation of the new religion of laïcité from Metropolitan France.

The Catholic church and its promotion of large families (revenge of the cradle) was really what allowed Quebecers to overcome the demographic shortcomings that they faced at the start of 19th century (Montreal and the Eastern Townships were majority Anglo in the into the mid-1800s), and it was through the pioneer initiatives of the priests that there are even French communities west of Quebec (exception of Manitoba)- though the Anglo Ontarians won in the long run after Riel.

All now dust in the wind of course.
 
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King Metalia said:
People who were actually born in Canada like us deserve jobs here more than Indian immigrants, who don't even bother to learn fucking English.
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Most eerie thing about it is how you never see them as out in public, at least in my area. Walking down the street all the people around you will be the usual mix of Whites and east Asians, but the moment you walk into any store every single employee is a barely-intelligible fresh-off-the-boat Pajeet. Even if you're the most anti-racist and pro-immigration person ever, that has to seem wrong to you. They're a literal slave caste.
 
I’ve been told by many people that the Indians who are not speaking English properly are doing so completely intentionally. The “good”Indians have even told me such.

They think we are weak and stupid, “it’s really our own faults we let them do this” is the standard line of thought
 
Ahriman said:
Linking the source.

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Is there hope for the Leafs, then?
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It’s been brought up - a lot of Canada’s reputation for “Niceness and Tolerance” is performative at best. The thing with Performative Tolerance, it folds fucking FAST when things go to shit.

And well, we’re only not technically a Failed State because I doubt the American’s would tolerate a Failed State sharing that large of a land border. The Good Times are LONG since gone, and now that it’s starting to effect the part of the country who’s vote actually matters (read - Toronto through Montreal/Quebec City), you can see the mask starting to slip.

We’re not going to see a comeback to the Canada responsible for a shocking number of the Geneva Suggestions, but this entire country is a pressure cooker ready to go. I’m just wondering what’s going to set the whole thing off, and if I’ll have enough popcorn to watch the dumpster fire…
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
It’s been brought up - a lot of Canada’s reputation for “Niceness and Tolerance” is performative at best. The thing with Performative Tolerance, it folds fucking FAST when things go to shit.
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A lot of that polite niceness came from the British - if you look at how countryside British interact, it's basically the same thing.

What is changing is with increasing populations, and both cultural and generational shifts, that polite niceness and tolerance is going away. What that will evolve into from the social tensions is going to be a concern.
 
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