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Gravemind said:
Remake and Rebirth are more like sequels to FF7.
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I am well aware. But its still poorly told. Its also more like an odd offshoot of Advent Children. Fans wanted FF7 with the graphics of Advent Children but all they got was an overbloated trilogy with content and atmosphere missing. People blame Nomura for all the retard decisions but he was one of the only ones on the team that wanted an actual remake while the others wanted the schizo shit. Not saying Nomura wasn't a retard though, he is. I would be happy with a simple well-done remaster of the original Nightdive style with the raw source art of the prerendered backgrounds if they still have it. Same for FF9. This isn't squaresoft anymore though.
 
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Gravemind said:
The problem with FF7's fanbase is that most of FF7's "fanbase" are tourists or secondaries who may have played Crisis Core at most, if that, and were super excited as longtime fans to play the FF7 remake series as their first ever direct exposure to FF7.
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This so fucking much. As much as I love FFVII I really fucking hate how this game attracts so many fake tourists who pretend to be fans. It's quite mind boggling how so many people claim to be fans of FFVII despite never playing the OG or the Remake. Case in point when I was still in college I met this girl who had a Cloud sticker on her car (along with many other nerdy fandoms) despite the fact that she had never played the fucking game.

It seems like most tourists usually start with the more recent FF games like XV or the VII Remake so of course the more recent games won't seem "that bad" when you didn't grow up with the whole franchise or start from the beginning of the series. To this day you still see all these dipshit faggots on Plebbit who always make retarded posts like "Do I have to play every FF game in order to understand the whole story?" 🤦‍♂️

Here's the perfect example of this: CriticalDrinker's "review" of FFVII Rebirth makes it immediately clear that the guy is a tourist who's never played a FF game besides VII, and he only played that one back in the day because it was the most popular one. His review sounds like it was written by ChatGPT which wouldn't surprise me because the game was probably way too hard for him to finish. Case in point the guy didn't even know that Cait Sith is based on Celtic mythology and he's fucking Scottish for Christ's sake. For a guy who's supposed to be "Anti-SJW" grifter he doesn't even know his own fucking culture.
 
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Nameless One said:
Don't watch Critical Grifter/Fencesitter or give him the time of day.
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I know he's a grifter and his gay ass fake "review" only proved the point. The guy clearly isn't a gamer and even then he only plays whatever the popular normie slop is like God of Soy Fagnarok and Steller Blade. He didn't even mention how they blackwashed the Norse gods in the GoW game when he did his "review" on that "game".
 
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Gravemind said:
The problem with FF7's fanbase is that most of FF7's "fanbase" are tourists or secondaries who may have played Crisis Core at most, if that, and were super excited as longtime fans to play the FF7 remake series as their first ever direct exposure to FF7.
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FF7 fans have always been annoying. It's actually kind of funny that old school FF7 fans get to experience what fans of the older final fantasy games experienced when all these fanboys appeared who'd only ever played FF7 and hadn't even heard of the older games.
 
Grub said:
FF7 fans have always been annoying. It's actually kind of funny that old school FF7 fans get to experience what fans of the older final fantasy games experienced when all these fanboys appeared who'd only ever played FF7 and hadn't even heard of the older games.
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Man I remember this absolutely insufferable motherfucker in my class in like 3rd and 4th grade. In retrospect, he was probably some level of autist that wasn't really recognized yet, but I just couldn't stand the guy. He was an incessant yapper that only ever talked about his hyperfixations, would talk over anything you said, and only ever shut the fuck up if he was being reprimanded (and even then, teach had like a 50/50 on it). The only time I ever got in trouble in elementary school was because I called him a faggot for deep throating hotdogs in the cafeteria, still worth it. Anyways, he got a PS1 for Christmas one of those years and his new hyperfixation became Final Fantasy VII.

He knew I was the resident class FF nerd (I was a massive Squaresoft fanboy, who were basically the "can do no wrong" developer of the 90's), so I became the target of his autistic FF7 ramblings. At the time, I had some weird chip on my shoulder about FF7, partly over being part of the old guard (at like 10 years old lol) and wanting to gatekeep newfags and tourists, and partly out of childhood bias towards the Super Nintendo. He'd come to class every day asking me 1000 random questions about FF7 and/or telling me his autistic story theories/fanfiction. It was excruciating.

As this was during the pre-internet days, my only solace was that I was able to gaslight the dude for about 6 months on 'secret ways' to revive Aeris, changing the method a bit every time he failed. "Oh you weren't able to get to the 100th floor of the Shinra tower? You needed to go get the White Materia from the lake. Oh you couldn't dive in the lake? You needed to get the scuba gear from the submarine section. Already passed that? Gotta start a new save, sorry."
 
Gravemind said:
The problem with FF7's fanbase is that most of FF7's "fanbase" are tourists or secondaries who may have played Crisis Core at most, if that, and were super excited as longtime fans to play the FF7 remake series as their first ever direct exposure to FF7.
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He rates me Late (I didn’t post much in the intervening months, sue me) then reiterates one of my points and starts a whole discussion about it. My arms are very crossed right now, young man.

But yeah the point someone made about how none of this is technically new and was always true about FF7 fans is well-taken. Even though I did say something like that it deserves special emphasis: it basically really brought in the hot topic misfit otaku crowd. And anyone who knows about anime fans, especially the really mainstream ones, knows how obnoxious they make things. While beforehand it was nerds who liked to be invested in stories and worlds for their own sake.

I mean these are people who are emotionally set up to be sportsfans but aren’t normal enough for it. Who watch Hero Academy and One Piece but complain about the lack of representation.
 
Gravemind said:
The problem with FF7's fanbase is that most of FF7's "fanbase" are tourists or secondaries who may have played Crisis Core at most, if that, and were super excited as longtime fans to play the FF7 remake series as their first ever direct exposure to FF7.
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As someone who has actually played and watched everything ff7 related. I gotta say I really like the remakes. Rebirth in particular filled out the world and really made it seem alive.

I like the compilation stuff, I've read all the "way to" novels, but they did screw up one big thing.

The world feels smaller in them.

It feels like they took the wasteland red X ending from 7 too literally and made everything barren. There's no connecting tissue to the new city of edge besides a couple places here and there. Even in the original, there's a lot of generic greenery on the world map coupled with a limited amount of factions and viewpoints ( compared to say ff 6 or 12)

What rebirth does reallllllly well, is fill out and connect these places on the map. As someone who played the original, I got a big kick out of seeing how one area would lead to the next. It felt like I was seeing all the missed places and characters cloud and co speed ran through. More importantly I got to actually see the world's terrain and culture looks like. There's an ecosystem outside of shinra that is slowly being erased, but still leaves a mark.

What surprised me most was how little it actually leaned on the compilation. You get a couple references and a handful of characters but it mostly works with what's in the original game. There are new characters to fill out stuff like the card games and auxiliary activities, but except for one hooded guy they don't significantly change the overall story.
 
The remake story is actually fucking great, but primarily when you get the layers of the story that require deep knowledge of the entire anthology. Or at least OG 7, crisis core, dirge, advent children, and on the way to a smile. They are doing some extremely interesting things with parts that were barely footnotes in the original. The Gi in particular go from being a forgettable enemy to having an actual backstory and fleshing out more mechanics of how the setting works while essentially giving sephiroth some allies to play with instead of just being him against the world. So far the only part that really pissed me off were the kingdom heart bosses at the end of remake
 
One Winged Pear Farmer said:
The remake story is actually fucking great, but primarily when you get the layers of the story that require deep knowledge of the entire anthology. Or at least OG 7, crisis core, dirge, advent children, and on the way to a smile. They are doing some extremely interesting things with parts that were barely footnotes in the original. The Gi in particular go from being a forgettable enemy to having an actual backstory and fleshing out more mechanics of how the setting works while essentially giving sephiroth some allies to play with instead of just being him against the world. So far the only part that really pissed me off were the kingdom heart bosses at the end of remake
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I really enjoyed how they fleshed out the gi and actually had them talk about what they want, what they are and how they fit into things. That's a very good example adding depth to the world while casting a shadow on the nature of the cetra. Speaking of allies, what sephiroths doing with wutai is very interesting.

It's all setup for the 3rd game, but he has essentially turned wutai into a superpower again via SOLDIER proxies who liberated it from shinra. I think the whole goal is to simply cause as much carnage and destruction as possible but it's interesting to see sephiroth help them out. It was also pretty forward thinking of him to try and blackmail
rufus
into being wutai's masked leader but I don't know if that's going to stick.


Aside from wutai and other expanded elements, I think they are going to largely not change the broad structure of the plot. Even if they change the order and pacing I think they are going to have a "have your cake and eat it" moment by sticking to a mostly normal prime timeline and having Zack do all this crazy original stuff like fighting deepground in his split verse.

As much as I like the idea I gotta be honest and say Zack was the weakest element of rebirth. I didn't hate him but his scenes were so dam quick and abrupt you didn't really get enough time to get in his head. It was literally like the two hour roxas prologue from KH2 if it was cut into pieces across the entire game. There's potential for a big payoff in 3 but I hope they lock in and figure it out.


Love Is Blue said:
by the way, what happened to the time jannies?
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Not quite in it as much as remake but they still show up at the mid point and the ending. It seems like they are in a civil war of sorts amongst themselves. I have a theory that they are actually
the souls of the cetra based on areith and the gi's reaction to them .
but it's not stated definitively
 
Nameless One said:
Playing the original FF7 Beacause translation now on PSX. I began with Crisis Core as a kid and later Remake but realized how better the original seemed from what I remembered about it. I am not a big fan of Final Fantasy but the original story of VII beats the fuck out of the failed Remake sequel any day. Its sad how things turned out and the way VII got milked. It seems like a controversial opinion but I've grown to despise the VII compilation beyond the (original ideas) or things that never made it into the original. They Star Wars-ified it, shitting on the original story purely for fans who wanted more. My dad loved it but I hate Advent Children. Nothing in the compilation is canon to VII and it is better to look at it like it's some non-canon fanfiction shit.
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After I played Remake, I went back and played FF7 on the PS1 and found it a more enjoyable experience. It was just a quint, fun game with a good story line. I didn't like how a small segment that took 5 minutes in the original would get get stretch out into an hour long part in the Remake.
 
One Winged Pear Farmer said:
The remake story is actually fucking great, but primarily when you get the layers of the story that require deep knowledge of the entire anthology. Or at least OG 7, crisis core, dirge, advent children, and on the way to a smile. They are doing some extremely interesting things with parts that were barely footnotes in the original. The Gi in particular go from being a forgettable enemy to having an actual backstory and fleshing out more mechanics of how the setting works while essentially giving sephiroth some allies to play with instead of just being him against the world. So far the only part that really pissed me off were the kingdom heart bosses at the end of remake
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Sounds like a rick and morty tier defense. "Well actually you have to know X and Y to understand why this thing is so deep and actually great." It is just for loresperging faggots. Its just fanservice for FF7 nuts to soy at. I know all about the FF7 compilation aside from Dirge. But I don't love it, I hate it which makes me rare I guess the only decent thing would be the art. They still ruined many good scenes. Dyne. Keep the melodramatic faggotry from Kingdom Hearts out of my fucking FF7. Sepiroth no longer feels like a JAWS inspiration. The layers are fuck-all. Nothing justifies why they have ruined many scenes when they could have just done something more alternate timeline-y entirely. Had they not advertised this and fans waited like 15 years since the ps3 tech demo expecting an actual REMAKE of the game none of this trilogy would be as insulting or terrible compared to what we could have had and were initially promised. I would have preferred if Rebirth spent most of the game within the alternate Zack timeline instead of having him as a background plot despite being on the cover. Instead we got 20 minutes tops with Zack. Its fucking DOGSHIT storytelling with zero satisfying qualities when you play the original. I guess I could give them a "you tried" star but they are too autistic to write.

The games would be better if a lot of their extra story chicanery were optional like how the original provided optional extra scenes that added to the story (Zack). Instead the game forces you to have scenes you know about dragged out to the absurd degree just to justify the 60-70 dollar price points. The narrative depth is wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle.

This remake trilogy should have just been a CGI movie trilogy like Advent Children because my God is it a chore to play. I dropped interest severely going back to the gold saucer. I didn't give a fuck anymore about how it tied into the overall compilation because it strayed so far from the GAME that began it all that it felt insulting. All the feature/content creep was blatant. The combat was pretty alright but it is also bogged down and a slog on certain bosses in the first two games so far.

I will not finish this dogshit trilogy, its too boring and I have 0 hope about them only just getting to the final part of FF7 since they dragged it out way too far. All of the shit they covered is disc 1. I'm not excited to see how much they're going to drag out the last part. Minigame Fantasy VII: Escape Samsara and end my franchise already.
 
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Sephiroth isn’t trying to blackmail Rufus into being their masked leader, he was the original one funding avalanche and the wutai resistance in one of his plots to kill his father previously. It’s more sephiroth trying to divert their resources to be wasted against wutai. Lots of misdirection and taking advantage of the fact that most characters will do the opposite of anything he suggests in sephiroth’s plan this time. Can’t reply for some reason but to the retard saying my defense was Rick and morty tier I’m not saying it requires any amount of intelligence or other dumbass argument. The remake trilogy is just obviously made with the hardcore long term fans in mind. If you hate the anthology stuff that’s completely your prerogative but it’s also impossible to really address the plot in the remakes without the extended material. That’s both a good and bad thing depending on who you’re talking to
 
It appeals to Kindom Hearts tier lore spergs like you. It has the same structure that is weak under scrutiny. It's called being convoluted. Its the same problem Halo faced after Bungie left and a problem that plagues a lot of modern writing. As for why you cannot reply, it happens if a post is too long to save space or whatever.
 
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