Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

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what is it with greer and dates?!
we know he has to pay for them irl, but it's a fucking keyboard ... it's not gonna say no:


i read this in hardin's exhibits, but i didn't think that greer would be stupid enough to include it as his own exhibit:

"your honor, we both know i disrespected you to the florida court when you transferred the case there (with no justice, mercy or understanding, i might add), and you know that i didn't want the case coming back here, but now that it's here again, and even after you've held my (moist and trembling) hand through the process thus far, i just want you to know that i still have zero respect for you, for this court, or for its orders."

sent from my iphone


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[FamicomGorby]

what is it with greer and dates?!

Proof reading is for suckers. Real lawyers type up all their documents on their phone and send em to the court immediately.

 

[goblin enby]

I like how Russell's point of view seems to be that a formal, official, legally binding protective order issued by a US federal court is a "so called protective order" that can't be trusted, so he instead will only release the information if provided with the much more secure assurance of a pinky promise from Hardin.

 

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I like how Russell's point of view seems to be that a formal, official, legally binding protective order issued by a US federal court is a "so called protective order" that can't be trusted, so he instead will only release the information if provided with the much more secure assurance of a pinky promise from Hardin.

I hate to do this, but I have to give it to Russ, he's kinda backed us into a corner.
At the moment, since the KF wants to continue with discovery, the Defence has no other recourse than to promise to him that his witnesses will not be unmasked on the forum, as Hardin wants to be able to prepare a counter for their testimonies.
However as I'm pretty sure that SOMEONE will upload the publically available court filings to this thread, which will break Hardin's promise, which will be a disaster for us.
It opens up Russ reporting him to the VA Bar, possibly ending with his disbarrment, or at the very least the Court chastising and punishing him for perjury.

Goddamn, we really shouldn't have underestimated Russ. He's got us by the balls and I have a feeling he's gonna squeeze.

 

[FamicomGorby]

However as I'm pretty sure that SOMEONE will upload the publically available court filings to this thread

They'll upload the public filings to a google drive folder that will be linked in this thread and other places.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Too bad "Incompetent to stand Trial" doesn't apply to plaintiffs

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Mr. Hardin's motion to exclude is denied, but the court compelled Greer to disclose the info. The magistrate also threatened him with fees.

 

[FamicomGorby]

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Judge once again gives Greer the benefit of the doubt but is at least telling him to put or up or shut the fuck up by the 16th.

I'm sure Greer's brief about the court fees will just be him bitching that he already spent all of this month's money on whores.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

So Russ basically has to argue why he HASN'T wasted Null's time and caused him the extra expense of having to fight extra bullshit, or literally pay the price!

 

[Harvey Danger]

Mr. Hardin's motion to exclude is denied, but the court compelled Greer to disclose the info.

So fucking predictable. This judge is dead set on seeing this retarded case in a courtroom.

If he was doing it so Greer would lose, be declared vexatious, and be shut out forever, I might applaud his stubbornness. But he won't. He just wants a loss on the books, no matter how much damage it causes along the way.

So Russ basically has to argue why he HASN'T wasted Null's time and caused him the extra expense of having to fight extra bullshit, or literally pay the price!

As amusing as it will be for us, he shouldn't even get the chance to argue his plights. The judge already noted he did the SPO, instructed both parties that confidentiality wasn't an option, and explicitly says:

• "the court finds that Mr. Greer’s recalcitrant behavior is willful."
• "Mr. Greer lacks excuse for nondisclosure of this information".
• "the reasons Mr. Greer provides for not disclosing witnesses to Defendants are without merit."
• "Mr. Greer’s failures to provide initial disclosures under Rule 26(a)(1) and to supplement them under Rule 26(e) are not substantially justified"

Those are literal quotes from the judge. What the hell can Greer even say that would logically override these findings? I'm not joking, I want this judge given a law school exam question about this. "Given there are penalties for this behavior, what possible cause would be acceptable to the court to excuse multiple counts of willful disobedience?"

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Judge once again gives Greer the benefit of the doubt

Not really. The judge agrees that Greer is fucking with the Judge and the Defense on purpose, but it is standard to let the accused have a chance to explain their actions. Also, remember, the more the judge threatens a dismissal the more he is considering of following through with the threat.

So fucking predictable. This judge is dead set on seeing this retarded case in a courtroom.

I don't know. Mr. Hardin did end up getting what he wanted out of this, i.e. showing Russ' non-compliance and an order forcing him to comply. As an added bonus the Judge is entertaining a dismissal and fee shifting for Mr. Hardin's motion to compel

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

This is not a terrible result. Judges in cases like this almost always want to get to a ruling on the merits or at least give the plaintiff their proverbial day (years) in court. I had a suspicion that the judge would impose a similar "put up or shut up" deadline... doing so while threatening costs is almost a victory compared to the rest of the case. Time is getting short to set things up.

Let's be honest, what are the chances that Russ is going to figure out an actual strategy and get his shit in order within a week?

(edit: that said, it's not the best result- the case may continue to shuffle along mindlessly generating work and legal fees even if russ deals himself a hand he can't later win)

 

[DavidS877]

This is not a bad result. Judges in cases like this almost always want to get to a ruling on the merits or at least give the plaintiff their proverbial day (years) in court. I had a suspicion that the judge would impose a similar "put up or shut up" deadline... doing so while threatening costs is almost a victory compared to the rest of the case. Time is getting short.

Let's be honest, what are the chances that Russ is going to figure out an actual strategy and get his shit in order within a week?

Sounds like it's time for a new poll for the thread.
I'm looking forward to Greer being made a Christmas Example.

 

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[Not a bee]

Watch as his dad is magically cured and out of the ICU

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The judge denied the motion to exclude and whipped out the “dismiss the case with costs” dick and slapped it on the table.

That’s denying a motion and giving MORE than asked.

Russ can still slither out but he has to either say “yeah no witnesses” (which the motion was to say anyway) or produce them so the court can advance, or get sanctioned.

 

[Napoleon III]

If he was doing it so Greer would lose, be declared vexatious, and be shut out forever, I might applaud his stubbornness. But he won't. He just wants a loss on the books, no matter how much damage it causes along the way.

I don't interpret this decision that way at all. Hardin get nearly everything he asks for and some things he didn't ask for.

I don't know. Mr. Hardin did end up getting what he wanted out of this, i.e. showing Russ' non-compliance and an order forcing him to comply. As an added bonus the Judge is entertaining a dismissal and fee shifting for Mr. Hardin's motion to compel

Yeah I don't feel optimistic about this case anymore, but this specific decision is a cause for optimism. This is a "we're so back" rather than "it's so over". For now at least.

 

[Harvey Danger]

I don't know. Mr. Hardin did end up getting what he wanted out of this, i.e. showing Russ' non-compliance and an order forcing him to comply. As an added bonus the Judge is entertaining a dismissal and fee shifting for Mr. Hardin's motion to compel

I completely understand asking for the world and settling for a small victory. I also understand the judge wanting to give one side the chance to argue their case. But I disagree the latter is warranted at all, when Greer has spent almost a full year repeatedly refusing to do proper disclosures, or file a schedule, or participate in any of the lawyer-to-lawyer conferencing the court has been forced to order. The court already had to force him to email Hardin, multiple times, to move the process along. The court has already forced Greer to file other "explain yourself" motions for his abject failure to participate. This current failure is the third time he's been told to do disclosures, and the judge took time in the hearing to explicitly tell him Greer couldn't use the excuse he wound up using.

There are no more explanations left. I'm not joking, I want that judge to answer the exam question: what possible cause would the court expect, to excuse triple willful disobedience? If none, why waste everyone's time asking for one?

I think this isn't a bonus win for Hardin, it's just another step in the façade of "justice" this judge is building towards the courtroom conclusion he wants.

 

[DavidS877]

There are no more explanations left. I'm not joking, I want that judge to answer the exam question: what possible cause would the court expect, to excuse triple willful disobedience? If none, why waste everyone's time asking for one?

It seems to me the judge is being very, very, very careful that when he throws this whole shitheap in the trash where it belongs that the appeals court has no justification to resurrect it.

This is to the detriment of Null's pocketbook, of course, but may make things easier if an appeal occurs.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

But I disagree the latter is warranted at all, when Greer has spent almost a full year repeatedly refusing to do proper disclosures, or file a schedule, or participate in any of the lawyer-to-lawyer conferencing the court has been forced to order. The court already had to force him to email Hardin, multiple times, to move the process along. The court has already forced Greer to file other "explain yourself" motions for his abject failure to participate. This current failure is the third time he's been told to do disclosures, and the judge took time in the hearing to explicitly tell him Greer couldn't use the excuse he wound up using.

That's just how they roll. Look at Melinda's case. The Judge threatened and threatened, and and now Melinda is forbiden from ever filing anything at Null ever again (as long as it relates to KF)