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mlanguishi said:
I honestly think DeSantis might've been able to beat her even
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Nope.

Ron DeSantis would have lost this election. This was not a Republican victory, the downballot proves that. Trump ran massively ahead of everyone else
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Probably the more sane one too. He didn't bungle the Russian Reset and saw the Dems were going to lose this election.
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If Bill Clinton wasn't totally compromised and forced, pretty much at gunpoint, to campaign for Dems this election, he'd probably come out and say that the Democratic Party today is nothing like the one he led in the 1990s
 
Dr J said:
Nope.

Ron DeSantis would have lost this election. This was not a Republican victory, the downballot proves that. Trump ran massively ahead of everyone else
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Could be true there. I bought into the 'Trump is poisoned fruit' after J6 and I know a few others that stuck with that, but that sure turned out to be wrong. Surviving the attempt and having a great campaign helped. I, and others besides those goofballs that thought J6 was a big deal, voted for Trump really hard. The broken glass situation was bigtime a factor here.

I think DeSantis might've won. That's the problem with thinking about historical alternatives, all the variables change. I think it would've been a near electoral tie.
 
SpookyObserver said:
They dont actually care about the economy, they just care about the concept of numbers being used against opponents. Tariffs are more often than not retarded and not beneficial to the average consumer and are gay so I hope Trump stops bending over for the cronies hes appealing too and gives that shit up.

But Kamala's ideas were literally worse, so... dems dont care about the economy. Just that they can blame numbers on you, and claim other numbers as their own.
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When did you become a economis?
 
mlanguishi said:
I bought into the 'Trump is poisoned fruit' after J6 and I know a few others that stuck with that, but that sure turned out to be wrong.
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Nobody outside their little crybaby silo seriously cares about January 6th. Saw that in the opinion polling at the time, Trump lost nobody over that
mlanguishi said:
I think DeSantis might've won.
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Well you think wrong
mlanguishi said:
That's the problem with thinking about historical alternatives, all the variables change. I think it would've been a near electoral tie.
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We know the variables. DeSantis would not pull in nearly enough crossover votes to put him over and he wouldn't have been able to capture them. DeSantis showed the world he is not Presidential material, that he is basically 'Generic Republican' wearing the MAGA costume.

Republicans did not win this election. Republicans are fucking stupid. Republicans thought that Trump wasn't electorally viable because he was weak with white suburban women. The future of the electorate is not white suburban women.

Donald Trump is the one who won this election. Point blank, period.
 
YellowIsACoolColor said:
They also don't know that not only did Biden keep Trump's tariffs on Chinese products but increased some of them
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Had they found out, they'd probably justify it.

SpookyObserver said:
They dont actually care about the economy, they just care about the concept of numbers being used against opponents. Tariffs are more often than not retarded and not beneficial to the average consumer and are gay so I hope Trump stops bending over for the cronies hes appealing too and gives that shit up.

But Kamala's ideas were literally worse, so... dems dont care about the economy. Just that they can blame numbers on you, and claim other numbers as their own.
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Hopefully Trump stops to. I forgot what Kamala's policies were cause now she's a distant memory to me.
 
Overly Serious said:
I'd only suggest that maybe it's worth looking at whether what he says applies equally to both sides of the aisle or if there might be a division. It's worth considering at least.
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Democrats generally depend on the female vote more than Republicans (who typically get more of the male vote), so that could explain female Republicans being less effected by the anti-female bias than Democrat candidates.

As to my main argument, Hillary and Kamala both got lower percentages of the female vote than Biden did, all against the same opponent. Despite Biden being a literal rapist and molester of his own daughter, per her own statement.

Hillary was about 1% lower than Biden, and Kamala so far looks to be around 2% weaker with women. Not a huge change, but still potentially enough to have cost both women some close states.
 
YellowIsACoolColor said:
They also don't know that not only did Biden keep Trump's tariffs on Chinese products but increased some of them
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Thing is that he put big tariffs on Chinese made EVs, knowing full well that the Chinese are opening factories in Mexico and making the EVs there, and he didn't put any tariffs on the Mexican made Chinese EVs.

He did this just to score cheap and easy political points. So he could say that he's tough on trade and tough on China, just like Trump. While actually not taking anything out of his Chinese masters' pockets
 
Dr J said:
Donald Trump is the one who won this election. Point blank, period.
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True indeed. I was just throwing spitballs that Desantis could've beaten Harris, who was incredibly weak. But yes the old GOP's dead and MAGA is how things are now.

Fine by me. I think DeSantis is a good guy, great policies, but weak charisma and is dry as it gets. Trump and Vance are vibrant and funny.

It's funny how the left kept saying this was a 'vibes' election. It kind of was in the end. The good MAGA vibes beat the dour DNC hell.
 
mlanguishi said:
Harris, who was incredibly weak.
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Harris was a fucking terrible candidate. But, make no mistake, the Blue No Matter Who crowd are all fully indoctrinated and Kamala Harris ran as close to 'Generic Democrat' as possible. 'Generic Democrat' has every advantage over 'Generic Republican' when it comes to the general election, it was only Trump's unique characteristics as a candidate that allowed him to overcome these disadvantages.
 
Dr J said:
Harris was a fucking terrible candidate. But, make no mistake, the Blue No Matter Who crowd are all fully indoctrinated and Kamala Harris ran as close to 'Generic Democrat' as possible. 'Generic Democrat' has every advantage over 'Generic Republican' when it comes to the general election, it was only Trump's unique characteristics as a candidate that allowed him to overcome these disadvantages.
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Yep, like a buttaface girl with big tits, he has that special something that won everyone over. I still think people were incensed about over Biden to not let that bitch win even against a generic GOP like DeSantis though.

Worst case scenario, Trump died, and Vance was nom'd. Would he have won?
 
mlanguishi said:
I still think people were incensed about over Biden to not let that bitch win even against a generic GOP like DeSantis though.
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No, because a Generic Republican like DeSantis wouldn't have offered the voters anything.

We saw his strategy. DeSantis and his ilk have basically seized on the woke shit as an acceptable vector of attack. Basically their thinking is that if you're not being constantly demoralised at school or in the workplace about how racist and problematic you are, you'll feel better about making less money, having your job shipped overseas, and having your children shipped overseas to die in the establishment's pointless wars

Trump isn't politically correct but he's more than that. Trump offers those white and non-white working class voters something. The lack of political correctness is incidental at best
mlanguishi said:
Worst case scenario, Trump died, and Vance was nom'd. Would he have won?
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Probably not, it depends. If Trump were killed, I think the outrage might incense the voters.
 
Dr J said:
No, because a Generic Republican like DeSantis wouldn't have offered the voters anything.

We saw his strategy. DeSantis and his ilk have basically seized on the woke shit as an acceptable vector of attack. Basically their thinking is that if you're not being constantly demoralised at school or in the workplace about how racist and problematic you are, you'll feel better about making less money, having your job shipped overseas, and having your children shipped overseas to die in the establishment's pointless wars

Trump isn't politically correct but he's more than that. Trump offers those white and non-white working class voters something. The lack of political correctness is incidental at best

Probably not, it depends. If Trump were killed, I think the outrage might incense the voters.
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If trump were killed I'd imagine Vance winning in a landslide simply because of how angry everyone aside from the terminal libs would be.
 
Dr J said:
Probably not, it depends. If Trump were killed, I think the outrage might incense the voters.
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It could've spark civil war, probably not, but that time frame was so hectic. A lot of the right had about had it already. A Trump pick after would've won, maybe cause they're still against the weak as fuck Harris but without the TDS so much and a more rallied right.
 
Dr J said:
Honestly, the first woman President is going to be Republican for one of two reasons. Either she's going to be a Thatcheresque Iron Lady. Or else she's going to be hot, and the Democrats have a pathological loathing of attractive women (see: how they treated Tulsi).

And if you don't think the voters are going to go for a woman just because she's attractive, just look up north. Canada has been brought to ruin because women voters thought Castro Jr was hot
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This is why democracy is gay and retarded. I’m so sick of people treating elections like fucking video game achievements.

In my younger years I was that retarded and immature and honestly? I had no business voting. I’ve grown a lot since then and I’m much more capable of making political votes than I was in my 20s.

But that doesn’t matter. Because my vote can be canceled out by a retarded woman who gets the ick from a candidate or votes purely on abortion.

The right has no real hope of seeing change that REALLY needs to take place because everyone is so goddamn liberal they can’t imagine sacrificing comfort for REAL liberty.

Even in this thread, I’m seeing people talk about that fucking idiot sUrF mOmMy as if she’s capable of leading the country. She may be a good cabinet player, but I still believe women have no place in politics.

Did you faggots forget that she’s been antagonistic to the 2A until 2 FUCKING YEARS AGO? Stop simping and look at reality.

Everyone in MAGA is a 90s democrat. Especially Trump. I don’t expect him to be the man that lefties shit their pants over, but I do expect some reprieve from the last 4 years. That’s it.

I love the memeable moments and the energy, but he’s the last guy who’s going to address the Israel influence problem, the Fed, or any REAL problems that could be solved. I’m doubtful he will even address legal immigration, especially with dipshit Elon in his ear.

That’s another thing people are massively misreading. Elon is NOT your friend if you’re remotely right wing or care about immigration. He’s the enemy of your enemy and only that. He wants to brain drain other countries with H1Bs for his companies, which does nothing to further AMERICAN interests.

Call me blackpilled all you like, but expectations need to be tempered. Most of the people in here seem to want to return to the 90s but don’t realize we need to go way, way, WAY further than that if you want to have the country and society you say you want.

Trump isn’t gonna destroy the Civil Rights Act, repeal the 19th, or even address legal immigration in any meaningful way. He doesn’t want to and the will isn’t there anyway. We’ve still got a long, long way to go.
 
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