People who are against AI and other scientific advancements are fucking retarded.

[The Ugly One]

The pleasure of fighting worthwile, meaningful struggles is a luxury. It can be achieved only once you have the power/fortune of not needing to partake in the useless, menial ones. Though I suppose breaking free from the menial struggles can be a worthwhile struggle on its own.

pooping is a worthwhile, meaningful struggle

 

[Inco G. Nito]

I dislike that folks assume an AI has any real interest in humans.

I dislike folks that assume that GAI (which is science fiction, I.E. not real) would have any ego, goals of its own, emotions, work ethic (or lack thereof) self preservation, want for revenge, or anything of the sort. That would all have to be deliberately put into the AI. The only reason you have those emotions is because they are all built into your brain and its reward systems, which an AI doesn't have. It's paradoxical to the fantasy of GAI and clear proof that the whole AI singularity fantasy won't ever happen.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

AI is going to replace tens of millions of jobs within 20 years, and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it beside crash modern civilization as we know it. AI will eliminate whatever remains of privacy and be used to finish the reduction of humanity into nothing but a collection of information for our "betters" (globalist billionaires and corporations) to control.

This (and the rest of your post) is probably what I would have said if I chose not to drunkenly schizopost in the AI community watch thread. I acknowledge the public facing benefits to generative AI, It's cool and neat and funny and I got my three months of fun out of it, but the facts are facts. This technology could never be more good than harm, and the privacy concerns make it totally unethical to even use. We are getting MGS2. 1984, Brave New World, and Minority Report out of this, all wrapped up neat in a little bow. We don't need "General/true AI" for this to be the number 1 tool in the surveillance state toolbox.

It's all funny six legged puppies jumping through the snow and pictures of Sonic the Hedgehog making out with Donald Trump, until you're very literally arrested for a thoughtcrime, now that a piece of software has attached your name to a joke you made in 2004. My issue with AI is all of it. As useful as AI can be, its disadvantages will always outweigh the benefits, simply from the future it has allowed the worst fucking people on earth to envision and enable (who, of course, are the people making this technology in the first place).

That's all any of this is, more surveillance state. Suno and Dall-e are literal nothing compared to what the military and TLAs have at their disposal, and you can always assume that whatever tech you have, the equivalent tech the military has will be 10-20 years ahead. That should scare the piss out of you, and if it doesn't, you're NGMI.

The thing I understand the least are the people who understand and accept that, and continue going with the flow, as if that isn't making their own situations worse. It's like willingly embracing the enshittifcation of our society by throwing up one's hands, and saying "Well, I guess there's nothing we can do, I guess it's cyberpunk dystopia where all I am in this world is a dossier directory parsed and curated from all of my internet metadata going back several decades!". And they call me a doomer, at least I'm not embracing that fate.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

I think the propaganda value of the "Great AI truthputer" that says whatever the social agenda wants is greater than the actual value of AI in like 90 percent of industries.
If anything, machine learning is the real valid use of it, and the "generative" AI is the worst. The "you can't draw anymore" mentality comes from pushing the generative AI stuff.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

I dislike folks that assume that GAI (which is science fiction, I.E. not real) would have any ego, goals of its own, emotions, work ethic (or lack thereof) self preservation, want for revenge, or anything of the sort. That would all have to be deliberately put into the AI. The only reason you have those emotions is because they are all built into your brain and its reward systems, which an AI doesn't have. It's paradoxical to the fantasy of GAI and clear proof that the whole AI singularity fantasy won't ever happen.

Yeah, I really can't help but feel that people don't realize that they are breeding in their own... Biases into these AIs that are being made. The AI at the moment. Don't have the ability. To self learn. And even if they could self learn. Like. Like how. I think GPT can now search the internet. It's still going to read human biases through those articles because it is impossible for humans to be completely neutral. So it's going to be beholden to articles and whatnot. And these articles hold the biases of people, of humans. So, really, the thing that we should all be afraid of is humans, still. It always comes back to that. It's like, people who are afraid of death. I'm like, no, no, no. Not death, who are afraid of ghouls or boogeymen. It isn't the unknown that should be feared. It is the human way of being that should be feared. written with Whisperai

 

[The Ugly One]

"AI" is just the realization we can interpolate and extrapolate from existing data in ways we didn't really think of before. It's like a database where you are able to look up more than just the entries in the database, but also anything that's logically "close" them, for a sufficiently weird definition of "close."

However, it's rational to be concerned about the nefarious purposes this technology can be used for. Anyone who was worried about how the radio or the television might be used as an instrument of mass brainwashing ended up being justified. Anyone worried that data science could be used bye the state to sway elections in its own interests ended up being justified. Worried that cell phones with cameras in them and chat apps could be used by adult perverts to get kids to send them explicit photos? Yep, it happened.

You shouldn't fear AI per se, but you should fear what governments, shadowy international institutions, and corporate oligopolies will do with it.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Slavery is much alive and is just underreported, not to mention it also renamed with illegal immigrants being exploited (not to mention it's not a technology). Ditto the only country retarded enough to let go of its nuclear arsenal (Ukraine) is being assfucked for the last two years by Russia. Nukes themselves just reached the point that there is no reason in making them stronger or more numerous while superpowers band together to keep their exclusive access to them.

Nonsense. The number of enslaved people has gone way, way down. Guess how many people globally were slaves in 1860? I guarantee there were more slaves then there were now. 4 million American slaves, 3 million Brazilian slaves, and tens of millions of Africans were owned by other Africans. And if you think third world sweatshops are bad today, 150 years ago they didn't even pay tens of millions of sharecroppers and shit. All sorts of serfdom went on in China, British India, Latin America, Russia, the Africans who weren't literally enslaved, etc.

Today even illegals usually get paid actual money. Slavery might as well not exist compared to 160 years ago when probably a good 4-5% of the world's population were legally slaves and perhaps over half were in some form of shitty serfdom, peonage, etc. All of that shit is way less common now and legal slavery is totally gone. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but the world decided to eliminate it and they did.

Same thing with nuclear weapons. Nobody is researching shit like pure fusion devices despite being superior to existing nuclear weapons. Even neutron bombs were barely researched or deployed. This is shit that would "win" a nuclear war over a power using mainly older nuclear devices, yet the world rejected that research. I'd add bioweapons to that too. Gain of function research is the closest thing to it, yet itself is only a precursor to actual bioweapons and even that is now very controversial.

It's an idea taken straight from Dune and doesn't make sense. Post WW1 European countries massively went into anti war sentiment and that made them vulnerable to Nazi Germany full on war machine. Post WW2 European countries are going into anti nationalism sentiments and now their citizens rights and culture are being eroded.

Humanity isn't a single actor.

Yes, and it makes plenty of sense. If nobody is permitted to develop super technology like advanced AI because the AI inspectors will treat them like Israel does Iran, then it won't be developed. It is currently illegal for instance to export certain GPUs to China. Why wouldn't such a system work on a grand-scale, especially since there's only a few countries capable of funding the research to make dangerous AI or other tech. Export bans could be very useful in stopping tech development, especially if the technology is rejected and destroyed in the very country it originates from.

We should be using tech to help us struggle against more fun and bigger things, like colonising the solar system. Using it to turn us into pod people in a constant state of bliss will kill us.

If we colonized the Solar System, we'd end up pod people for certain. The global elite would love herding everyone into an environment where leaving it is impossible without their permission and where they literally control the air you breathe. Or more likely we'd be all fucking dead because some retard's AI nanoswarm research lab around Uranus had an accident and now hordes of self-replicating AI are out to kill everyone.

Also this assumes we can actually make real AI. We dont understand what consciousness even is, how it comes into being. What we have at the moment (publicly anyway, goodness knows what the military has) is a very fast language model. It’s not intelligent. It’s useless for a lot of stuff and very useful for some things but it’s not intelligent. It’s not even sure we can make an artificial intelligence.

Why does it need to be conscious to be a true artifical intelligence? If a computer of significant power and learning put to the task, then it could be indistinguishable from an actual human and do a 1-1 replication. Although I think the first true AI like that would come from DARPA's BRAIN Project.

It also doesn't even need to think like a human. Circuitry gives an AI mind a lot more options than a biological human mind that evolved from monkeys.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

People don't fear the tech, they fear the retards in charge of it. On paper, tech is great, in reality, it fucking sucks.

It's 2024, we have the tech to have automated growing, sowing and harvesting of crops.
At home, we could have an automated house
Our computers and internet could be used to share information, art and stories for free.

What do we get instead?
John deere tractors that need a subscription
Alexa and american spy devices built by chink spies
Subscriptions, censorship and people losing their jobs for sharing their stories.

The Amish are right, they just stopped a little early. Give me a commune with 2005 tech and I'm outtie 5000.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Nonsense. The number of enslaved people has gone way, way down. Guess how many people globally were slaves in 1860? I guarantee there were more slaves then there were now. 4 million American slaves, 3 million Brazilian slaves, and tens of millions of Africans were owned by other Africans. And if you think third world sweatshops are bad today, 150 years ago they didn't even pay tens of millions of sharecroppers and shit. All sorts of serfdom went on in China, British India, Latin America, Russia, the Africans who weren't literally enslaved, etc.

Dude, just a simple Google shows that slavery is either equal or higher

Same thing with nuclear weapons. Nobody is researching shit like pure fusion devices despite being superior to existing nuclear weapons. Even neutron bombs were barely researched or deployed. This is shit that would "win" a nuclear war over a power using mainly older nuclear devices, yet the world rejected that research. I'd add bioweapons to that too. Gain of function research is the closest thing to it, yet itself is only a precursor to actual bioweapons and even that is now very controversial.

Nukes are a deadend research wise. There is no sane reason to invest in them since you are already annihilating a big enough region with 1. As for bioweapons there's the whole COVID fiasco.

Yes, and it makes plenty of sense. If nobody is permitted to develop super technology like advanced AI because the AI inspectors will treat them like Israel does Iran, then it won't be developed. It is currently illegal for instance to export certain GPUs to China. Why wouldn't such a system work on a grand-scale, especially since there's only a few countries capable of funding the research to make dangerous AI or other tech. Export bans could be very useful in stopping tech development, especially if the technology is rejected and destroyed in the very country it originates from.

You can't monitor the superpowers though. Plus, unlike nuclear material you can't even find traces of AI development besides an easy to disguise electrical usage.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Dude, just a simple Google shows that slavery is either equal or higher

That's one activist group saying that and not even citing the only 25 million for 1865. It also equates certain practices to slavery while not considering 19th century antecedents which would further increase the number. In truth, the numbers are at best equal, which is saying something given the world population is almost 6 times higher today. So yes, slavery is something the world largely managed to stamp out especially since there are very few open air slave markets these days. Oh sure, they exist, but go look how many there are.

Nukes are a deadend research wise. There is no sane reason to invest in them since you are already annihilating a big enough region with 1. As for bioweapons there's the whole COVID fiasco.

Not with tactical nukes, which is what battlefield commanders want and is what a nuclear war would actually be fought with. There is no more research done on neutron bombs or pure fusion bombs which would both be very helpful to battlefield commanders. Let alone other fourth-generation nuclear devices. Here's the paper if you're interested. Nobody is researching these despite their obvious utility.

COVID was a bioweapon precursor. Actually bioweapon research is pretty much dead.

You can't monitor the superpowers though. Plus, unlike nuclear material you can't even find traces of AI development besides an easy to disguise electrical usage.

Except it's widely known how the USSR/Russia and the US collaborated on standing down the nuclear arsenal, curtailing development, dismantling bioweapons, etc. Don't equate failures like the WHO during the scamdemic with what the world can actually do regarding powerful countries.

You're also ignoring that AI research requires certain components. It's not hard to stop these components from being built and monitor the supply chain that way. Or you know, start WW3 BEFORE their AI finishes development if they still refuse to do so.

 

[Otterly]

Why does it need to be conscious to be a true artifical intelligence? I

Maybe It doesn’t, maybe it can be a perfect little Chinese room of it needs to be. But we don’t have even that, we just have a fast language model. It has to have some form of understanding and learning to be a form that humans deal with and I’m not sure if that can actually be done without some form of apiece. Interesting thought experiment
Re: slavery, the forms have just changed a bit. Half the world’s chocolate is picked by child slaves. The gulf states have slaves aplenty. There’s a huge amount of indentured servitude going on, there are literal slave markets on libya.

Actually bioweapon research is pretty much dead.

Good grief no. You’re kidding? Bioweapons work is alive and well.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

That's one activist group saying that and not even citing the only 25 million for 1865. It also equates certain practices to slavery while not considering 19th century antecedents which would further increase the number. In truth, the numbers are at best equal, which is saying something given the world population is almost 6 times higher today. So yes, slavery is something the world largely managed to stamp out especially since there are very few open air slave markets these days. Oh sure, they exist, but go look how many there are.

It's still in the tens of millions and what I quoted was a conservative estimate with others being twice like that. Not to mention that you have China using prisoners like the Uigurs as defacto slaves, so it shows that China doesn't give a shit.

Not with tactical nukes, which is what battlefield commanders want and is what a nuclear war would actually be fought with. There is no more research done on neutron bombs or pure fusion bombs which would both be very helpful to battlefield commanders. Let alone other fourth-generation nuclear devices. Here's the paper if you're interested. Nobody is researching these despite their obvious utility.

COVID was a bioweapon precursor. Actually bioweapon research is pretty much dead.

Can you even prove no one researches any of this is not researched? It's not like the USA or China army will announce that vector of research for political and civilian backlash

Except it's widely known how the USSR/Russia and the US collaborated on standing down the nuclear arsenal, curtailing development, dismantling bioweapons, etc. Don't equate failures like the WHO during the scamdemic with what the world can actually do regarding powerful countries.

You're also ignoring that AI research requires certain components. It's not hard to stop these components from being built and monitor the supply chain that way. Or you know, start WW3 BEFORE their AI finishes development if they still refuse to do so.

But they never completely dumped it altogether. And you can train AI models on a homeowner GPU. Even if you want the retardedly large models that need a supercomputer to run, it's not like this is the only field of research that needs those types of tech.

 

[Space_Dandy]

Great overview on where we presently are with AI. A lot of hype and alarmism is exaggerated.

 

[Sewer Level 9]

Think of a world where people no longer have to piss, shit, vomit, or feel pain. Think of how fucking awesome that would be.

Yes, in theory, saving a few minutes every day not having to piss and shit could be pretty cool. But the people who want that sort of thing tend to be so desperate to escape from their own humanity that it renders them unqualified to direct any sort of progress. Trannies are a product of the same idea: instead of learning to be a man, why not turn yourself into frankenstein of permanent emasculation so people start to coddle you again?

 

[Hood-ass Mulatto]

Especially the artists. "OH NO I HAVE TO EAT AND KEEP THE LIGHTS ON COMMISSION MEEEEE." I have said it many times already, but art is not very profitable. The popular examples who have become rich and famous are the minority.

 

[M€￦]

Especially the artists. "OH NO I HAVE TO EAT AND KEEP THE LIGHTS ON COMMISSION MEEEEE." I have said it many times already, but art is not very profitable. The popular examples who have become rich and famous are the minority.

I don't think it's so much 'Nobody will pay me for my art,' it's more that I see 'AI is stealing my original online copyrighted art and a million other people's original online copyrighted art and mashing it together without credit or acknowledgment, also threatening the livelihood of those who are successful in creating a buying fanbase.'

That's more of what I see usually.

 

[Hood-ass Mulatto]

I don't think it's so much 'Nobody will pay me for my art,' it's more that I see 'AI is stealing my original online copyrighted art and a million other people's original online copyrighted art and mashing it together without credit or acknowledgment, also threatening the livelihood of those who are successful in creating a buying fanbase.'

That's more of what I see usually.

Here's the problem - AI tends to copy artstyles that are are super popular among Twittards. It tends to be trained on anime-like and realistic-style stuff. Anything aside from those tends to have traits that obviously hint the picture is AI, for example, a Hazbin Hotel art style. Meaning, those people have such similar art styles.

 

[Nicholas Gur]

Especially the artists. "OH NO I HAVE TO EAT AND KEEP THE LIGHTS ON COMMISSION MEEEEE." I have said it many times already, but art is not very profitable. The popular examples who have become rich and famous are the minority.

Considering how much political/religious symbolism is present in ancient art, I have a theory that even at the time the only reason anyone was able to profit from artistic talent was to allow commissioners to insert whatever they wanted into the project. Using their art as a vehicle to propagandize the public or signal to other elites.

 

[SpinelessArtist]

I AI. Fuck the nihilistic niggers in this thread. I can make all the anti troon fanfics I want and talk to an unbiased machine that won't spew ideology instead of a concrete answer. All the talk about muh 1984 is so pathetic really, it's fear-mongering and paranoia to the extreme. There's no problem in being skeptical but chanting about the end of the world when ChatGPT can't even remember what was said three messages ago is gay and retarded. I beg you to use some real arguments instead of blatant twitter-speak.

Humans suck, embrace the machine.

I don't think it's so much 'Nobody will pay me for my art,' it's more that I see 'AI is stealing my original online copyrighted art and a million other people's original online copyrighted art and mashing it together without credit or acknowledgment, also threatening the livelihood of those who are successful in creating a buying fanbase.'

That's more of what I see usually.

How is it stealing if it doesn't even archive all these billions of drawings in its database? It's more like learning how to draw than actually copying the art itself. Which AI generated image is stolen from which original image? Because there is no AI art made that looks exactly like something which already existed. I genuinely want to know in which metric it is "stealing", because I see that thrown around a lot when every single AI generated image is original in itself.

 

[M€￦]

I AI. Fuck the nihilistic niggers in this thread. I can make all the anti troon fanfics I want and talk to an unbiased machine that won't spew ideology instead of a concrete answer. All the talk about muh 1984 is so pathetic really, it's fear-mongering and paranoia to the extreme. There's no problem in being skeptical but chanting about the end of the world when ChatGPT can't even remember what was said three messages ago is gay and retarded. I beg you to use some real arguments instead of blatant twitter-speak.

Humans suck, embrace the machine.

How is it stealing if it doesn't even archive all these billions of drawings in its database? It's more like learning how to draw than actually copying the art itself. Which AI generated image is stolen from which original image? Because there is no AI art made that looks exactly like something which already existed. I genuinely want to know in which metric it is "stealing", because I see that thrown around a lot when every single AI generated image is original in itself.

So if I copy one of Disney's movies, leaving it mostly the same but changing a couple things and redraw parts of it badly, release it online and then wipe my hard drive of what I 'borrowed,' it's not considered copyright infringement if it's through AI?

Or I could walk straight into your house, borrow (because it's not 'stealing' so it's OK) your stuff, then tell you to your face that I'm using it for inspiration and that you just need to suck it up and deal because I'm too lazy to get my own, but don't worry it will be brought back ✌

And you'll ❤ AI until it starts deleting those you love out it's own self interest and survival, because you and them will mean nothing to it.