What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[Rei is Shit.]

Sven Stoffels who was on the recent MATI stream summarized it pretty good
> "you are ~3% Jewish"
> just enough for you to get "sympathy" for jews (6 gorillion meme)
> but not enough to get a free Israeli citizenship (oi vey, you are not Aryan Jewish enough for an ethnostate greatest allies citizenship)
How convenient...

Sometimes they even intertwine Africa (north africa + south Europe) with nigger genes so negroes get more accepted within 100% non-negroids. This is how they manage to meme Egyptians (real ones...), Persians, Mediterraneans etc into the West thinking it's "le actual black" (LMAO, they are not related in anyway). So those results will tell you "muh, you got (north) African genes" and then people will say the "we are all from Africa" meme hinting that Europe had negroidic blood all along (which is false). There is a whole rabbit hole with this, like homosapiens actually came from Asia or the Alps (Europe) etc.

Another meme is that "we share 60% of the genes with a banana and 98.8% with a chimpanzee", and within those margins "it's dumb to be racist for less than 1% in diffrence of the DNA". Seems to me like those 1% really makes a difference... I'm pretty sure some diseases occurs because of one single protein instruction in your blood is fucking you up. They want you to trust "science", at the same time not trusting your eyes... just so you accept niggers and kikes as your "neighbours". Also, at the same time: They refuse to make a human species chart but expect me to still believe in DNA?

With this agenda, it has completely destroyed the logical preception of how DNA works which has transformed it into a pseudoscience now. DNA tests are fake.

Look up "west african ghost population" for some real fun.

 

[NoReturn]

I'll leave it at that, as I'd rather offer something more can digest without causing a kneejerk shut-down response in the reader.

I want to hear it. Put it in a spoiler?

"Telegony is a disproven theory"

Even the first line of Wikipedia says this:

Which is funny, because later on it also says:

It's like that joke about debunking: "The papers said the president ate his dog, our fact checkers found that was false. He actually ate his brother's dog. Debunked!"

Look up "west african ghost population" for some real fun.

• 'Ghost' human ancestor discovered in West Africa
• Scientists find evidence of 'ghost population' of ancient humans
• Ghost population found hidden in the genome of West African populations
  
• 'Ghost' DNA In West Africans Complicates Story Of Human Origins

Daily Mail's attempt to illustrate:

Original:

Source

Also, I think the bantu expansion was a combination genocide/war-with-elephants.

 

[Soi Woh Jak]

Some cultures do/did. Shove the elderly on an ice floe and leave them to starve isn’t an uncommon mode of dealing with it.

Its more recently been used as a demoralization mechanism. I remember (and the Art of War states this in no uncertain terms) reading about the Nazis creating shoebox mines which were intended to incapacitate enemies, not kill them but incapacitate them because that person would serve as a unproductive resource drain for the opposing force. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the view of the elderly in older cultures, even now considering how much the millennials tend to hate everything old no matter how old.

The way we do retain DNA that’s proven is far more interesting. Every baby you’ve ever carried seeds cells back into your body. So i carry cells and genetic material from all my children.

Doesnt the DNA split 50/50 between both parents? It seems like a semantic mistake to say the parent carries the childs genetics cause its usually the opposite wrt inheritance mechanics, Im genuinely curious if that isnt the case

Sometimes they even intertwine Africa (north africa + south Europe) with nigger genes so negroes get more accepted within 100% non-negroids. This is how they manage to meme Egyptians (real ones...), Persians, Mediterraneans etc into the West thinking it's "le actual black" (LMAO, they are not related in anyway). So those results will tell you "muh, you got (north) African genes" and then people will say the "we are all from Africa" meme hinting that Europe had negroidic blood all along (which is false). There is a whole rabbit hole with this, like homosapiens actually came from Asia or the Alps (Europe) etc.

This I will never get, how race became boiled down to black and white, no inbetweens no differences nothing. Europe especially Southern Europe/North Africa has so much racial variation within a relatively small area that its insane when you compare them with the anglosphere or the New World where you have 2 or 3 races spread out over an entire continent. I guess theres no Berber history month, those damn Levantines have no rights.

 

[Otterly]

Doesnt the DNA split 50/50 between both parents? It seems like a semantic mistake to say the parent carries the childs genetics cause its usually the opposite wrt inheritance mechanics, Im genuinely curious if that isnt the case

Yeah, so you have a full genome, and in each parent that gets split in half randomly (ish) when you make gametes. Then half (ish) of each parents genes combine to form the fertilised egg. The cells seem to come from the actual foetus, and go back across the placenta to the mother. So cells from the foetus, which have half her and half the male’s DNA, go back into the mother and they persist. You can detect them for years.
In that sense, the male’s DNA, or part of it, does persist in the female.
Telegony though is the idea that DNA from every male a female mates with persists and can form offspring or influence it directly. I think the classic ‘case’ was a horse or a zebra or something that mated with a quagga and then a horse or something, I can’t remember. But it was one of those things that breeders of animals insisted was true and science insisted wasn’t. Some animals DO store sperm, I think some flies do, they mate around and save it for later.
These foetal cells won’t be forming part of the human foetus though becasue all the eggs in a woman’s body are formed before she’s born (they’re immature, but genetically complete.) so if there IS a contribution or influence on a subsequent foetus, it’s not (in humans anyway’ literal genetic material getting passed down, which would be telegony, but it could be something like baby one’s cells influence the immune system or something. Women are way more prone to autoimmune diseases and we have significantly different immune systems to males, probably something needed because we have to carry a baby which is only half ‘self’ without the body attacking it
Here’s an interesting review on it if you’re interested?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8762399/

It’s something I find really interesting, so thank you @ENDTOPII for bringing it up! The idea of gene flow being one way and one time is clearly a bit wrong
One thing that strikes me about a lot of these ‘debunked’ old biological ideas (like telegony and Lamarckism) is that while the mechanisms their proposers thought they worked by turned out not be true, the kind of general idea had some merit. Lamarckism seen through the lens of epigenetics for example.
Anyway, I’m rambling.

 

[The Foxtrot]

@Otterly So basically, if I'm understanding it right, an example of the "theory" of Telegony would be that a woman who sluts around with a ton of men before settling down with a single man, and then having a child with that man...the child would genetically have material from multiple "fathers" (previous sexual partners), instead of just the man whose sperm fertilized the egg.

And that, put simply, that ain't how genes work and as far as that is concerned, Telegony is bunk? Ergo, if you're a man and you get with a woman who's already had children, and you have children with her, those children won't be only 1/3rd yours, genetically?

 

[Otterly]

And that, put simply, that ain't how genes work and as far as that is concerned, Telegony is bunk? Ergo, if you're a man and you get with a woman who's already had children, and you have children with her, those children won't be only 1/3rd yours, genetically?

Yeah. That’s correct . Your kids will be half (ish) you and half ish her. No genes from previous males. One sperm fertilises the egg and then the egg does a chemical reaction and bans any further sperm from getting in. *
BUUUUT. If she’s had babies with a previous partner, she has cells from those babies in her body, and we don’t know if those cells can pass to subsequent babies. That cell transfer is two way. If that does occur it doesn’t mean the baby would be partly another man’s though, it would mean they had cells from a sibling inside them. A chimera.

* and again, BUUUUT …. you can in very very rare cases get two sperm fertilising one egg. biology is always fuzzy. https://archive.is/FpR94

 

[Dr. Eldon Tyrell]

Its more recently been used as a demoralization mechanism. I remember (and the Art of War states this in no uncertain terms) reading about the Nazis creating shoebox mines which were intended to incapacitate enemies, not kill them but incapacitate them because that person would serve as a unproductive resource drain for the opposing force.

That's the general idea behind even just frag grenades. What was always interesting to me is the fact that the wehrmacht used those HE stickgrenades with later, optional fragmentation collars - those things were all about blowing peeps to smithereens when Allied grenade designs had the intention to send as many people to the infirmary as possible form the start. The wehrmacht even had orkish "Geballte Ladung" where they arranged multiple HE zylinders in in a bouquet on one stick (barely throwable). The moar you know, the moar you ponder. It's also interesting that warrior culture was almost always about either intimidation or outright slicing and dicing, cutting down the enemy whole while maiming them without mercy kill was honor-less.

 

[NoReturn]

BUUUUT. If she’s had babies with a previous partner, she has cells from those babies in her body, and we don’t know if those cells can pass to subsequent babies. That cell transfer is two way. If that does occur it doesn’t mean the baby would be partly another man’s though, it would mean they had cells from a sibling inside them. A chimera.

But we do have evidence for microchimerism between siblings.

Source: Incognito: Are Microchimeric Fetal Stem Cells that Cross Placental Barrier Real Emissaries of Peace?
See also:

• Microchimerism may be the cause of psychiatric disorders
• You may carry cells from siblings, aunts and uncles

Of the 12 girls in the subset with elder brothers, 11 had cord blood containing immune cells against the Y chromosome, suggesting that male cells had somehow crossed the placenta from the mother – presumably entering her body from a male fetus during an earlier pregnancy. In some of the girls, DNA testing revealed direct evidence of male cells in the cord blood (Blood, DOI: 10.1182/blood-2012-02-410571).

“We may be more microchimeric than we imagined,” says Dierselhuis, although she cautions that they haven’t yet confirmed the source of the male cells.

Curiously, small numbers of male cells were also detected in one of the girls with no older brother, raising the possibility that these cells were from her uncle, passing to her mother during her grandmother’s pregnancy. Another possibility is that they originated from an earlier miscarriage of which the mother was unaware.

So let's say a woman has a baby (X) with man A and doesn't carry it to term for one reason or another. Then she has a baby with man B (baby Z). The resulting child would still be far-and-away the child of B, but could have cells from their missing sibling, and therefore would have some DNA from A by proxy. There's also the possibility that baby Z's epigenetic traits were influenced by baby X (or even just the mother's pregnancy with X) as well.

 

[Otterly]

@NoReturn yeah, that is possible. It’s amazing isn’t it?
It not telegony though, which would be more like flies storing sperm for later use. The idea that there’s more going on with DNA transfer than we thought is true. Telegony as in ‘you retain DNA from every male you ever mated with’ I think isn’t. DNA from every pregnancy in a roundabout way though? yeah.

The distinction is probably important - I have a vague thought that it allows the idea of selection of which DNA more easily?

 

[Makhnovshchina]

Back to the future predicted 9/11

 

[The Foxtrot]

@NoReturn yeah, that is possible. It’s amazing isn’t it?
It not telegony though, which would be more like flies storing sperm for later use. The idea that there’s more going on with DNA transfer than we thought is true. Telegony as in ‘you retain DNA from every male you ever mated with’ I think isn’t. DNA from every pregnancy in a roundabout way though? yeah.

The distinction is probably important - I have a vague thought that it allows the idea of selection of which DNA more easily?

Just a quick idle question, is it possible to have both a seizure and a stroke at the same time?

 

[FatalTater]

This I will never get, how race became boiled down to black and white, no inbetweens no differences nothing.

People used to understand that there were tons of variations, but then 2020 happened and the animals breaking windows and setting fires started screaming so loudly, that common sense was driven from the average person's head.

 

[Blue Flying Leaf]

Telegony in humans is a real thing, and research is being neglected/"ignored" due to its implications of if people knew this to be true, it would be detrimental for feminism. I find it odd that the first thing Google gives me is a statement box that reads "Telegony is a disproven theory" and Wikipedia is just a long historical deboonk meme and doesn't go into the topic itself. It's really a weird kind of censorship around this topic which makes me believe there is something to it.

I also think that most DNA tests are fake. Not the technique itself, but the results of them are probably faked (so they don't do them in the first place...), like in court cases for evidence (framing people that seems most convenient, faked fatherhood tests to match the mothers story etc).
> bruh the test said it's you and it's irrefutable
It's a "one tool to settle it all" thing. It's so much trust in a tool that most people don't understand which makes me really question how much of all these "tests" are just made up. Just to make people not question the judge, when they pick the most convenient "result" to end a case in favor for the most cheapest option for the system.

TL;DR
Most public knowledge about DNA is fake and gay.

You can have a good laugh about this one: https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2022/04/p...-obtain-criminal-confessions-pic-of-the-week/

https://coferluster.com/blog/penile-plethysmograph-ppg-in-criminal-cases/

It's all make believe, same as witch trials.

Just a quick idle question, is it possible to have both a seizure and a stroke at the same time?

Yes, that often happens. Stroke will cause body seizures as well as brain seizures, making the mild stroke significantly worse due to consumpton of oxygen.

 

[AnOminous]

This wouldn't have been the last time they did this. The Japanese read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and thought that they should ally with the Jews. They ended up saving a lot of Jews from Nazi Germany by welcoming them into Shanghai and Osaka

Japan has a strong social undercurrent of anti-Semitism but without anything like the murderous intent they had towards, for example, the Chinese.

The six pointed star is also a Hindu Buddhist symbol like the swastika albeit a minor one. I don't know what it represents though. So this could just be a false flag.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatkona#:~:text=Shatkona (षट्कोण) is a symbol,whose sacred number is six.

Freemasons also used the swastika, although less so now. It used to be such a standard symbol that if you have an old Mason's Lodge building, you'll often see them in the decorative carvings in the stonework. It's usually slightly different than the Nazi swastika because the arms after the bend are curved and concentric with the circle around it.

The Freemasons also used the Star of David a lot.

 

[Dr. Eldon Tyrell]

Japan has a strong social undercurrent of anti-Semitism but without anything like the murderous intent they had towards, for example, the Chinese.

Yeah, they're kinda based with their intolerance: you can tell, some of the older ones would basically kill blonde, blue eyed americans on sight, if they could but will light up and fawn over you as soon as you speak german or rather, say you are german - it's not like they can tell your engrish is heavy on the consonants.
I think they have a similar, naive thing for the french.
And I'm sure, the true yamato damashi types will merrily murder all of us before thinking about jews.
Just because jews never directly slighted them in their mind.
But if push came to shove, these kinds of japanese people read others only barely as even human, realtive to themselves.
It's kinda neat that they don't go by race as much as europeans do, if only because they see all others as subhuman.

 

[I'm a Silly]

Telegony in humans is a real thing, and research is being neglected/"ignored" due to its implications of if people knew this to be true, it would be detrimental for feminism. I find it odd that the first thing Google gives me is a statement box that reads "Telegony is a disproven theory" and Wikipedia is just a long historical deboonk meme and doesn't go into the topic itself. It's really a weird kind of censorship around this topic which makes me believe there is something to it.

I also think that most DNA tests are fake. Not the technique itself, but the results of them are probably faked (so they don't do them in the first place...), like in court cases for evidence (framing people that seems most convenient, faked fatherhood tests to match the mothers story etc).
> bruh the test said it's you and it's irrefutable
It's a "one tool to settle it all" thing. It's so much trust in a tool that most people don't understand which makes me really question how much of all these "tests" are just made up. Just to make people not question the judge, when they pick the most convenient "result" to end a case in favor for the most cheapest option for the system.

TL;DR
Most public knowledge about DNA is fake and gay.

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[The Foxtrot]

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So in short, it's possible if you marry and have kids with a woman who already had children, that "your" kids won't actually be yours. Or that at the least, the previous father would contribute more to their traits than you?

Personally that still sounds really far-fetched.

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

I've always wondered if Soviet-style censorship & disinformation tactics were shared with Western powers once the Iron Curtain fell.
I say this because I keep seeing more and more people nowadays draw comparisons between the censorship of speech & control of information in communist states and the state of Western media (in all aspects. MSM, social media, etc.)
I can see where the comparison comes from, but it's an interesting comparison to make now when we have had a nearly century-long Cold War between the East and West.

 

[AnOminous]

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Tfw Brundlefly is actually a real thing.

 

[I'm a Silly]

Japan has a strong social undercurrent of anti-Semitism but without anything like the murderous intent they had towards, for example, the Chinese.

Freemasons also used the swastika, although less so now. It used to be such a standard symbol that if you have an old Mason's Lodge building, you'll often see them in the decorative carvings in the stonework. It's usually slightly different than the Nazi swastika because the arms after the bend are curved and concentric with the circle around it.

The Freemasons also used the Star of David a lot.

archived wikipedia
It's a pretty interesting article, going into historical preservationists vs. people with Swastika Derangement Syndrome near the end.

I've always wondered if Soviet-style censorship & disinformation tactics were shared with Western powers once the Iron Curtain fell.
I say this because I keep seeing more and more people nowadays draw comparisons between the censorship of speech & control of information in communist states and the state of Western media (in all aspects. MSM, social media, etc.)
I can see where the comparison comes from, but it's an interesting comparison to make now when we have had a nearly century-long Cold War between the East and West.

[all links are archived pages]
When you look up Smith-Mundt, you'll get a "FACT CHECK" pushed as a highly ranked result on Bing, but I remember reading about it on boingboing when it was news. They used the Michael Hastings Buzzfeed article as their source, and this was back when left-leaning sites were more mistrustful of government propaganda, even under Obama.
Other timely articles, from Business Insider, The Atlantic, and Foreign Policy, were also skeptical, or at least acknowledged the obvious spin put on the act by its shills.

More on Michael Hastings:
Justice Department: FBI Has Started to Process Michael Hastings Documents
Fact Check: FBI investigating Hastings before death
Can the Government Hack Into Your Car? <-- this is preservetube, original YouTube below: