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[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Anytime California is brought up for anything what you need to remember is that California is so deep in a hole that it has dug itself that nothing will ever be built that isn't some tranny shit. Between the environmental regulations, spineless politicians, belligerent asshole population, general high cost of everything, and the astronomical level of state debt it's no wonder that everything in California is fucked beyond belief.

 

[quaawaa]

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[JJLiautaud]

The Permit Raj was a fucking mistake you stupid fucking dalit.

 

[Yamamura]

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Have the fuckcars users simply considered "just riding a bike bro". From the things I hear about bicycles from them they must be the ultimate vehicle you can get anywhere with and carry as much as a pickup truck. Have they just suggested to the Indians to switch from riding the bus to a bike?

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Have the fuckcars users simply considered "just riding a bike bro". From the things I hear about bicycles from them they must be the ultimate vehicle you can get anywhere with and carry as much as a pickup truck. Have they just suggested to the Indians to switch from riding the bus to a bike?

Your answer is "muh infrastructure", no you can't have bike lanes, you need sidewalks that pedestrians are prohibited from being on; otherwise cyclists can't thrive.

Never mind that they're clapping along about that Ugandan village where most people rode bicycles despite there being zero infrastructure beyond a worn dirt path.

 

[jje100010001]

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Arguably if North America suffers from over-suburbanization, India suffers from over-urbanization.

The default Indian city is literally what all the urbanists want, x100, including the population. 15 minute city? How about a 5-minute city?

It's also why the mid-century car-centric new cities (like Chandigarh) that are often maligned across the West have stayed popular, because that many Indians want to actually escape living on top of one another- just having proper wide roads lined with trees is literal Eden to them.

 

[quaawaa]

Arguably if North America suffers from over-suburbanization, India suffers from over-urbanization.

The default Indian city is literally what all the urbanists want, x100, including the population. 15 minute city? How about a 5-minute city?

It's also why the mid-century car-centric new cities (like Chandigarh) that are often maligned across the West have stayed popular, because that many Indians want to actually escape living on top of one another- just seeing proper wide roads lined with trees is literal Eden to them.

I’ve seen majority Indian neighborhoods in the US advertised as “No shared walls!” and “Private backyards!”. This is for overpriced postage stamp-sized houses with tiny yards that Americans would view as a ripoff, yet they love them because they’re way better than anything back home. They also all buy Tesla Model 3s the second after they get off the plane.

Urbanists believe that Americans don’t like walkable cities because they’ve never lived in one, but if that’s the case, why do immigrants from heavily urban countries want to live in the suburbs?

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Urbanists believe that Americans don’t like walkable cities because they’ve never lived in one, but if that’s the case, why do immigrants from heavily urban countries want to live in the suburbs?

People overall move to where they perceive life is better, even if they shit up where they've been last and make every intention to shitting up again. This applies to liberals, blacks, immigrants, and urbanites, when they move to red states, less shitty parts of town, America, and suburbs/small towns, respectively.

 

[BulkForceFive]

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Exactly why bike lanes are retarded. Nobody checks their right side when turning right because you have to be on the inside lane to do that. Now you have a whole extra lane of low-visibility vehicles that you have to look behind you for in between you and the right turn.
Ideally cyclists would yield to vehicles and not the other way around, but that would have these bikeoids fuming (despite an average speed lower than a backhoe and nowhere important to go)

 

[LaxerBRO]

Just a random post this Saturday night...

One of the criticisms of the US rail system is that the US rail system and how its freight rail traffic causes delays for Amtrak. The suggestions of r/FuckCars has been to prioritize more on passenger traffic vs. freight. One of the suggestions is to reduce the length of freight trains so that a siding can be used while Amtrak trans move passengers. While this might seem like a reasonable solution, lets consider an issue.


Waiting times at Port of Los Angeles in days


Historical chart of number of containers moving through the Port of Los Angeles

The US seems to be importing more and more goods from overseas. Based on the two charts I posted we see an increase in the number of containers as well as in increase in the amount of days a container sits at ports. With a decrease in train length, this would decrease the number of containers that can be moved by each train potentially causing a supply chain sanfu like during COVID. A possibility is increase the number of trains but that would require more staff and equipment due to work hour rules. Commensurately, this would result in the increase in the price of goods. Even with more staff and equipment, its very well possible that delays will still get worse as the increase traffic would make it more difficult to unload trains in a timely manner.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The Amtrak trains delayed by freight are already late and are cross-country.

Those trains are fun but they’re Land Cruise ships and have zero affect on transportation as a whole. A single train is about equal to one plane and there’s only like 20 or so on the rails at any time. From my experience they’re only used by railfans, retirees, and immensely fat lesbians.

It’s an entire nonentity. All train traffic that matters is commuter rail.

 

[Mike Sneedsby]

Just a random post this Saturday night...

One of the criticisms of the US rail system is that the US rail system and how its freight rail traffic causes delays for Amtrak. The suggestions of r/FuckCars has been to prioritize more on passenger traffic vs. freight.

Ah yes, the main issue people have with the rail system is that industry uses it too. This explains why nobody uses highways or airports.

I shouldn't be too snarky as I wouldn't want to imply there aren't things Amtrak in its infinite competence couldn't be doing to benefit commuters with little to no impact on freight, but urbanists have no idea the comparative value freight is to commuter rail, at least when you factor in the obscene amounts of taxpayer money thrown at every commuter rail company on earth to prop up "affordable, reliable" services.

That nobody takes the train despite motorists being milked dry every which way should be a fair indicator which method of transport is more attractive to the average person all things being equal.

Normal people would take that as a sign that there are tangible benefits to personal vehicles, not a reason to hold the populace in contempt.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Ah yes, the main issue people have with the rail system is that industry uses it too. This explains why nobody uses highways or airports.

I shouldn't be too snarky as I wouldn't want to imply there aren't things Amtrak in its infinite competence couldn't be doing to benefit commuters with little to no impact on freight, but urbanists have no idea the comparative value freight is to commuter rail, at least when you factor in the obscene amounts of taxpayer money thrown at every commuter rail company on earth to prop up "affordable, reliable" services.

That nobody takes the train despite motorists being milked dry every which way should be a fair indicator which method of transport is more attractive to the average person all things being equal.

Normal people would take that as a sign that there are tangible benefits to personal vehicles, not a reason to hold the populace in contempt.

Reminder that "Amtrak Joe" NEVER restored the suspended Sunset Limited service through the Gulf Coast, and Congress passed a section into a new rail safety act that forced Amtrak to come up with a plan (not restoring service, just a "what do you intend to do about this" in nine months about the suspended service, which Amtrak ignored because it was still pre-Chevron and probably told Congress to fuck off.

 

[jje100010001]

The Amtrak trains delayed by freight are already late and are cross-country.

Those trains are fun but they’re Land Cruise ships and have zero affect on transportation as a whole. A single train is about equal to one plane and there’s only like 20 or so on the rails at any time. From my experience they’re only used by railfans, retirees, and immensely fat lesbians.

It’s an entire nonentity. All train traffic that matters is commuter rail.

Exactly, even speaking as someone who would like more trains, trains will not compete with airplanes on longer distances, and buses are cheaper to run if you still need to connect far-flung, low-profit communities.

The place where trains make sense is replacing short-haul flights between regional metropolitan areas and moving lots of people around urban-suburban areas.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

The place where trains make sense is replacing short-haul flights between regional metropolitan areas and moving lots of people around urban-suburban areas.

But even then for journeys of greater than 200 miles or so a plane is still faster, and I'm willing to bet it's also probably cheaper. Now 200 miles may seem like a long ways to go until you bring places like America and Australia into the conversation. Unless you have essentially a Shinkansen a plane will still beat you and even then the Shinkansen works as well as it does in large part due to the oriental culture and work ethic.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Exactly, even speaking as someone who would like more trains, trains will not compete with airplanes on longer distances, and buses are cheaper to run if you still need to connect far-flung, low-profit communities.

The place where trains make sense is replacing short-haul flights between regional metropolitan areas and moving lots of people around urban-suburban areas.

I think if I was in charge I'd eliminate Amtrak except for the northeast corridor and give the other rail companies subsidies if they wanted to run Amtrak trains.

On a related note, HSR is a sucky idea; if they can't even get people to ride from Point A to Point B on existing trains, how would HSR significantly improve things? Even if passengers tripled that's still a negligible amount.

The argument is "it will replace planes" but the only reason why people would take a train over a plane is the avoidance of any TSA/luggage weight limit bullshit which all goes away the second a terrorist attack happens (either real or false flag, doesn't matter).

You'd think that passenger train advocates would want defunct lines (stripped decades ago) reactivated for exclusive use of passenger train. If you wanted a Houston-Austin line, for instance, a lot of the old line is already there. There's probably some land-use issues but it's intact from Hempstead to east of Brenham (save for a washed-out area, that would have to be rerouted slightly), in use in Brenham where part of it serves as a spur line, and would have to be rebuilt from Carmine to Giddings, and after that it's fully intact and mothballed by CapMetro (Austin).

 

[Bonesjones]

I think if I was in charge I'd eliminate Amtrak except for the northeast corridor and give the other rail companies subsidies if they wanted to run Amtrak trains.

So you'd replace it with the current system?

On a related note, HSR is a sucky idea; if they can't even get people to ride from Point A to Point B on existing trains, how would HSR significantly improve things? Even if passengers tripled that's still a negligible amount.

HSR is sucky because people are imagining an express train from Metropolis to Metropolis. It won't be that at all.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Exactly, even speaking as someone who would like more trains, trains will not compete with airplanes on longer distances, and buses are cheaper to run if you still need to connect far-flung, low-profit communities.

The place where trains make sense is replacing short-haul flights between regional metropolitan areas and moving lots of people around urban-suburban areas.

Meanwhile up here in Canada Greyhound went bankrupt and cancelled all their bus lines.

 

[quaawaa]

HSR is sucky because people are imagining an express train from Metropolis to Metropolis. It won't be that at all.

Yep, here are the routes of the current HSR projects in the US:

CA HSR - Merced to Bakersfield. Enough said.
Brightline West: Rancho Cucamonga (hour east of Los Angeles) to an outlet mall 2 miles south of the Strip.
Brightline: Only high speed from Orlando International Airport to West Palm Beach, the rest of the route is no faster than commuter rail due to the number of stops.
Texas Central: The Fort Worth-Arlington-Dallas segment is no faster than the highway or existing commuter rail due to the stop in Arlington. The Dallas-Houston segment goes from a highway interchange south of Downtown Dallas to a highway interchange five miles northwest of Downtown Houston.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Jason's new video shitting on the fire department is out:

Spoiler: Youtube

Don't have time to watch, @quaawaa if you would be interested in debunking this.