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Fun fact, recently archeologists were able to locate the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah and confirmed they were indeed destroyed by flaming meteors. Yes, just like documented in the Bible.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SDiYb20iAsM
If I lived in San Francisco or Washington DC, I'd be constantly looking up, bros.
Now Kabungus i ordinarily don't mind you shitting up threads but isn't the russia-ukraine war basically your containment thread? why are you shitting up my old men in silly hats raping little boys newspaper section. I mean i don't mind you involving yourself but every time you do I notice that its always in a several page marathon of going back and forth with some rando in every thread and every time.
 
Now Kabungus i ordinarily don't mind you shitting up threads but isn't the russia-ukraine war basically your containment thread? why are you shitting up my old men in silly hats raping little boys newspaper section. I mean i don't mind you involving yourself but every time you do I notice that its always in a several page marathon of going back and forth with some rando in every thread and every time.
What are you, some cringe atheist? Just enjoy some religious education, bro. Sodom and Gomorrah were totally a thing.
 
I have a deep soft spot for Islam. I don’t know the religion well, mostly from some YouTube channels like Yaqeen and Imam Tom Facchine and flipping through the Quran a little. I’ve memorised only Al-Fatiha, and have a great deal to learn. I fear that this is due to a bias as I agree with much of what they believe, among which is dislike of usury, music, pre-marriage shenanigans, homosexuality and all that, coupled with love for cleanliness and modesty. There are some rather disturbing ayahs and ahadith about Aisha (she was 9?) and treatment of non-believers but I need to get to them and read through the surahs to understand context I guess. Love the way prayer is conducted, none of the electric guitars and drums in full surround sound ever present in big churches. We have a sizeable muslim population, which consists almost fully of Malays. While the young Malays I have served with or worked with can be punks, the older ones are almost inadvertently based and have an exemplary work ethic even into their 80s, very family-based and very fair to everyone. I rarely see muslims in the degenerate corners of the internet, which Allah forgive me for frequenting. Us Chinese, we have too much of an obsession with status and reputation, probably overuse the internet and prioritise money way too much. I don’t know too much about the muslims, but I see that many of them perform a lot of manual work, good honest work that pays enough for them to make do with. They are a bulwark against degeneracy in our society. I might be seeing it wrong and they might be low-iq potential goat fuckers who can’t get any other job but I love the mohamadeans dearly. Might just renounce Christianity, get off the internet and embrace the manual worker Islamic lifestyle.
 
I have a deep soft spot for Islam. I don’t know the religion well, mostly from some YouTube channels like Yaqeen and Imam Tom Facchine and flipping through the Quran a little. I’ve memorised only Al-Fatiha, and have a great deal to learn. I fear that this is due to a bias as I agree with much of what they believe, among which is dislike of usury, music, pre-marriage shenanigans, homosexuality and all that, coupled with love for cleanliness and modesty. There are some rather disturbing ayahs and ahadith about Aisha (she was 9?) and treatment of non-believers but I need to get to them and read through the surahs to understand context I guess. Love the way prayer is conducted, none of the electric guitars and drums in full surround sound ever present in big churches. We have a sizeable muslim population, which consists almost fully of Malays. While the young Malays I have served with or worked with can be punks, the older ones are almost inadvertently based and have an exemplary work ethic even into their 80s, very family-based and very fair to everyone. I rarely see muslims in the degenerate corners of the internet, which Allah forgive me for frequenting. Us Chinese, we have too much of an obsession with status and reputation, probably overuse the internet and prioritise money way too much. I don’t know too much about the muslims, but I see that many of them perform a lot of manual work, good honest work that pays enough for them to make do with. They are a bulwark against degeneracy in our society. I might be seeing it wrong and they might be low-iq potential goat fuckers who can’t get any other job but I love the mohamadeans dearly. Might just renounce Christianity, get off the internet and embrace the manual worker Islamic lifestyle.
that just sounds like contrarianism
 
They have been a presence in Europe for their entire history.

I think we should push back into Asia, and remove them by force. We didn't get the chance, thanks to Woodrow Wilson.

Yes, that recent - it was actually the USA who stopped Europe from pushing back.
Woodrow Wilson made your sovereign government import Blacks and Muslims (starting in the 1940s-ish)?
Wow, I didn't know Woodrow Wilson was a fucking time traveler.
 
Christianity is correct but trusting the word of man to interpret the word of God is a fools errand. There are core truths such as that God loves humans and that God sacrificed himself so that humans can regain his companionship. Much of the rest is nitpicking on behalf of mankind's fallen state. God is good, God is merciful and kind, God does not care about your politics because he is the ultimate power. He cares about your virtue and this is the main problem with modern Christianity. Caring too much about a few virtues at the expense of all the others. Caring so much about being kind that you won't be brave. Caring so much about charity you forget about justice.
 
What tf is wrong in Burgerland that protestants split in thousand diffrent churches?
"So are you catholic or protestant?"
"Oh I am from the American Southern Baptist Church, not be confused by the Inepandant Baptist Church of North America and totally not with the American Presbyterian Church and the Presbyterian Church in America" (the last two are apparently totally diffrent)
Europeans used to take Christianity seriously and every state had an official religion. If one wanted to practice a religion other than the state specified one, that was illegal. Suddenly there is a country that doesn't care about that, so every Christian minority group emigrated to the States where they could practice their specific interpretation of Christianity without going to jail or being fined and generally hassled. So most protestant denominations in the US were at one point racial religions. Lutheranism was German protestantism , Presbyterianism was Scottish protestantism etc.
 
@ShittlerNiggler Adding on to what Agreeably said, aside from there just being different ethnic churches for Lutheranism, Calvinism, Anabaptism and Evangelicalism, most of these divisions you were joking about are conservative-liberal (is faggotry a sin, yes/no) or political going back to the Civil War (is slavery a sin, yes/no).
 
Fun fact, recently archeologists were able to locate the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah and confirmed they were indeed destroyed by flaming meteors. Yes, just like documented in the Bible.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SDiYb20iAsM
If I lived in San Francisco or Washington DC, I'd be constantly looking up, bros.
bunch of biblical things have been confirmed by archeology in the last 10 years or so. David's tomb, Paul's tomb, abraham's altar, the sumerian king list, dead sea scrolls, etc (some of those were of course longer than 10 years obviously).

the truth doesnt/wont stay hidden forever
 
@ShittlerNiggler Adding on to what Agreeably said, aside from there just being different ethnic churches for Lutheranism, Calvinism, Anabaptism and Evangelicalism, most of these divisions you were joking about are conservative-liberal (is faggotry a sin, yes/no) or political going back to the Civil War (is slavery a sin, yes/no).
Slavery is not a sin, in the pentateuch there are laws concerning the treatment and trading of slaves and there are at least two references to slaves needing to be obedient to their masters in the pauline epistles not to mention the nature of the epistle to philemon. A lot of discussion about denominations of Christianity on this page, no one has pointed out the fact that none of the denominations existing today are direct dogmatic or doctrinal successors of the apostles or their students; though I suppose an argument could be made for the election of the amish.
 
Slavery is not a sin, in the pentateuch there are laws concerning the treatment and trading of slaves and there are at least two references to slaves needing to be obedient to their masters in the pauline epistles not to mention the nature of the epistle to philemon.
Well, yeah. I'm not a 19th Century Northern Baptist.

Someone once quoted one of those lines to Bible thumper John Brown, he read it, got pissed, tore up the Bible and swore that it was worthless if it included that.
A lot of discussion about denominations of Christianity on this page, no one has pointed out the fact that none of the denominations existing today are direct dogmatic or doctrinal successors of the apostles or their students; though I suppose an argument could be made for the election of the amish.
What's your point?

There's like three main types of denomination as far as that goes. There's the churches that are a direct offshoot of some older church over some theological dispute (based in tradition, scripture, or my-source-is-i-made-it-the-fuck-up) and fully accept that, which I'd say is the case with most of them. If you were to talk theology with a properly educated Presbyterian or Baptist or whatever they'd understand the different creeds and evolution of beliefs and theological controversies that directly lead to their sect. Then there's ones, mostly nondenominational and Evangelical, that try (usually off sola scriptura) to conform to their best beliefs of what New Testament Christianity looked like. And then there's ones (Restorationists, so Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists) that profess to be new revealed religions with new prophets.
 
Slavery is not a sin, in the pentateuch there are laws concerning the treatment and trading of slaves and there are at least two references to slaves needing to be obedient to their masters in the pauline epistles not to mention the nature of the epistle to philemon. A lot of discussion about denominations of Christianity on this page, no one has pointed out the fact that none of the denominations existing today are direct dogmatic or doctrinal successors of the apostles or their students; though I suppose an argument could be made for the election of the amish.
im pretty sure catholocsim and the orthodox church have good claims to apostolic succession, if that is important to you
 
BEGOME ORTHODOX ☦️
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In India, Syro-Malabar Church still can’t resolve dispute of Mass celebration​

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St. Mary’s Basilica of the Syro-Malabar Church.

MUMBAI, India – After three days of prayer and deliberation, 348 delegates — comprising bishops, priests, monks, and laity — of the Fifth Syro-Malabar Church Episcopal Assembly produced a final document highlighting necessary church reforms, including celebrating Mass according to the rites mandated by the Church Synod.

Issued on Aug. 25, the assembly also stressed that advocating for ecclesiastical and community rights should not be misconstrued as religious fundamentalism or extremism.

The Syro-Malabar Church, with an estimated following of 4.25 million worldwide, is the second largest of the eastern Churches in communion with Rome. Ever since its synod decided in 2021 to adopt a new, unified mode of celebrating the Mass, the Church has been gripped by controversy, above all in its largest jurisdiction of Ernakulam-Algamany.

The synod required that Mass be celebrated facing the people during the Liturgy of the Word, and facing the altar during the Liturgy of the Eucharist.

That decree, however, was resisted by a swath of clergy and laity in Ernakulam-Angamaly, on the grounds that Mass facing the people throughout the celebration represented their local tradition and is also more in keeping with the liturgical teachings of the Second Vatican Council (1962-65).

The dispute occasionally has turned nasty, with angry public protests and the burning of decrees in public. St. Mary’s Cathedral in the archdiocese has been closed for the last two Christmas seasons amid the controversy.

During the Episcopal Assembly, Cardinal Baselios Mar Cleemis, Major Archbishop of the Syro-Malankara Church, urged the faithful to recognize the strength and glory of the Syro-Malabar Church while expanding missionary efforts into new areas. Syro-Malabar Church Head Major Archbishop Mar Raphael Thattil, who presided over the event, emphasized the Church’s collaborative efforts with sister churches for mutual growth.

However, the event saw some tension as seven laity representatives from the Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese distributed leaflets demanding the removal of Archbishop Andrews Thazhath of of Thrissur, who had served as Apostolic Administrator sede plena of Ernakulam–Angamaly until 2023. The protesters accused the former apostolic administrator of falsely aligning clergy and laity of the archdiocese with non-Christian religious extremists in his report to Pope Francis.

Father Kuriakose Mundadan, the presbyteral Council Secretary of Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese told Crux the pastoral situation of Ernakulam- Angamaly Archdiocese is “very particular.”

“From the time of Second Vatican Council onwards the faithful in the archdiocese are very comfortable with Holy Mass where the priest is facing the community. The people enjoy the openness and active participation in the Holy Mass,” he said.

“They always demand that they have the right for common priesthood to actively participate in the Holy Mass rather than onlookers in the Synodal form of Holy Mass. So the decision of 50-50 formula of synod is unacceptable to the people of God in the Archdiocese,” the priest continued.

“The recent major archiepiscopal assembly was deliberately an engineered one against the liturgical stand of our archdiocese. Our delegates were not given a single chance to articulate their stand but at the same time the moderators of general discussions gave ample chance to those who support Synodal Mass to speak venomously against the position of the archdiocese. This type of church activity is abominable,” Mundadan told Crux.

Saira Mathew, an Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese delegate at the Assembly told Crux they are very hopeful that their grievances will be discussed and a solution on the facing of the people during Mass “will evolve.”

“We were not given a chance to raise this issue, which needed immediate attention, even though we tried hard. Our issue of churches being closed and disputes going on were of least concern to the Assembly, even though our diocese is the largest in the Syro-Malabar Church,” she said.

“Even though the Vatican has asked for a restitution settlement, it is not executed. Cardinal Alenchery still has criminal and civil cases running in this regard. Cardinal Alenchery does not seem to be apologetic and tried to divert the attention to issues like imposing uniform mode of Mass in our diocese, which is against the desire of the majority of the laity,” she said.

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Devastating attack on church in France renews concerns over security in places of worship​

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The historic Church of the Immaculate Conception in Saint-Omer, in the Pas-de-Calais department of northern France, was ravaged by arson on the night of Sept. 2, 2024.

The historic Church of the Immaculate Conception in Saint-Omer, in the Pas-de-Calais department of northern France, was ravaged by arson on the night of Sept. 2.

The suspect, a multi-recidivist who has attempted to set fire to numerous places of worship in the past, was apprehended a few hours after the blaze was brought under control.

According to local authorities, the fire started at around 4 a.m. It then spread to the side and central aisles, then to the roof and bell tower, which rapidly collapsed. The fire was contained by 7:15 a.m. thanks to the efforts of 120 firefighters.

While no injuries were reported, some 60 local residents living near the building were evacuated as a precaution.

The initial investigation revealed that a 39-year-old individual allegedly broke into the premises, smashing a stained-glass window. Arrested and taken into police custody on the evening of Sept. 2, the suspect, identified as Joël Vigoureux, is said to have been convicted on numerous occasions of similar acts of destruction by fire in recent years.

While the images released by the media showed only the metal skeleton of the church steeple and the exact extent of the damage has yet to be determined, the intervention of the parish priest, Father Sébastien Roussel, enabled the rescue of the Blessed Sacrament and some 20 other religious artifacts, including the reliquary bust of St. Corneille.

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Father Sébastien Roussel rescued the Blessed Sacrament.

“With the authorization and under the supervision of the firefighters, I was able to enter the church when the fire was under control to take what is most important, namely the ciborium in the tabernacle at first, then several statues and elements of the liturgical furniture,” he told CNA.

In another interview, Roussel added that “the stained-glass windows, particularly the beautiful ones in the choir, dedicated to Mary, are not too damaged.”

Of neo-Gothic inspiration, the church was completed in 1859 and was completely renovated by the municipality in 2018 at a cost of 5 million euros.

Quoted in Le Figaro, the president of the Hauts de France region, Xavier Bertrand, assured that his administration “will be at the side of the town of Saint-Omer for the reconstruction, to see this heritage brought back to life.”

The French outlet also reported that a meeting was held Tuesday at the town hall and attended by the architect who coordinated the renovation and prefectural officials to rapidly envisage the reconstruction, which is nevertheless expected to take several years.

A time of prayer in front of the church will be held Wednesday followed by a Mass celebrated by the bishop of Arras, Olivier Leborgne, at the Basilica of Notre-Dame-des-Miracles in Saint-Omer.

The images of the flames devouring the roof and steeple of the monument that has turned into an open-air church continue to generate anger and consternation on social media, not least because of their over-familiarity.

In recent years numerous iconic Catholic structures in France — including Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris — have been severely damaged by fire. On July 11, the spire of Rouen Cathedral also caught fire, with firefighters quickly bringing the blaze under control.

On July 12, the Observatoire du Patrimoine Religieux, an association working to preserve and promote France’s religious heritage, told AFP that 27 churches had been burnt down in 2023 and 12 in the first six months of 2024. Attacks on religious monuments in recent years account for approximately 90% of the 1,000 or so anti-Christian acts recorded annually by the country’s Ministry of Interior.

By Solène Tadié

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Any voodoo experts here? Got someone who needs to be cursed.
Voodoo tends to be more personal, your Bokor needs something from the individual, like hair, nails, clothing, and/or to be able to put your bad gris-gris on or near them
I reckon you might do better to enlist a Tibetan Nagspa instead; they're more known for remote demon-sending.
An Eskimo Angakuk might also do the work, if you want them to die by mystery animal attack, but I don't fuck with that Tupilaq shit, because it's next-level black magic; involves "doing stuff" with bits of dead children and animals, sewing them together into a magically animated monster, and "releasing it" into the ocean, to seek and kill.
They also say a more powerful Angakuk can send a Tupilaq back to kill the one who made it.

*ahem*

Not that I believe in or condone that sort of stuff.
 
Voodoo tends to be more personal, your Bokor needs something from the individual, like hair, nails, clothing, and/or to be able to put your bad gris-gris on or near them
I reckon you might do better to enlist a Tibetan Nagspa instead; they're more known for remote demon-sending.
An Eskimo Angakuk might also do the work, if you want them to die by mystery animal attack, but I don't fuck with that Tupilaq shit, because it's next-level black magic; involves "doing stuff" with bits of dead children and animals, sewing them together into a magically animated monster, and "releasing it" into the ocean, to seek and kill.
They also say a more powerful Angakuk can send a Tupilaq back to kill the one who made it.

*ahem*

Not that I believe in or condone that sort of stuff.
No Eskimo shit, those blubberniggers are too far out for my liking as it is.
 
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