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That Other Dude's Persona said:
If you have proof of actual crimes being committed, no one's stopping you from calling the police yourself.

However, the purpose of the thread is discussion, documentation and jokes. And we already know that EVS doxes (former) clients when they displease him, he did it live in Pan's case. Archive his retardation and post it here so we can laugh at least.
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Unless the people who are being harassed come out, I do not think it is my place to do more than put EVS 's actions in writing. I do, however, think it is important to call out that behaviour for everyone watching. That and I do not trust Youtube 's definition of anything as well as the fact I do not know the laws regarding doxxing. For now, I think it is better to just discuss the pros and the cons of every course of action before acting upon it because, as the guidelines say "We are not an autistic Illuminati" and I am not planning on changing that. No one 's ideas are perfect and I will not claim the opposite about myself but I felt like dismissing doing anything about EVS outright even if things escalate is not a good idea either. That is all.
 
Incecticyder said:
Since EVS has the addresses of people and is willing to blackmail his detractors into silence under threat of harassment by pedos, I think we should treat that danger with as much seriousness as possible and call the authorities or report him on Youtube.
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I think you need to lurk more and understand the purpose of the site and its rules. It has been stated NUMEROUS FUCKING TIMES, by Null, and other mods, that KF is not about doing the shit you are suggesting. People have been banned for suggesting mass call-ins to CPS against Rekieta, for example. People have been banned for suggesting mass reporting of Fatrick to the IRS, for another example.

This is a documentation and discussion site.

It's also been said numerous times you feel the need to call the police, then you may do so on your own initiative and keep your mouth shut about it here. Or, as Null puts it, doing the right thing ought to be reward enough.

Incecticyder said:
Were we wrong for calling the police when we learned that Chris Chan raped his senile mother?
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I can't recall if anybody on KF called the police concerning Chris Chan (that Jenke shit was all over the damn Internet, and Chris is one of the most well known cows of all time, to the point where a lot of normies know who he is), but I know your account was created on May 22nd, 2024.

Consider lurking more and get a better feel of the site's zeitgeist.
 
Captain Manning said:
I think you need to lurk more and understand the purpose of the site and its rules. It has been stated NUMEROUS FUCKING TIMES, by Null, and other mods, that KF is not about doing the shit you are suggesting. People have been banned for suggesting mass call-ins to CPS against Rekieta, for example. People have been banned for suggesting mass reporting of Fatrick to the IRS, for another example.

This is a documentation and discussion site.

It's also been said numerous times you feel the need to call the police, then you may do so on your own initiative and keep your mouth shut about it here. Or, as Null puts it, doing the right thing ought to be reward enough.


I can't recall if anybody on KF called the police concerning Chris Chan (that Jenke shit was all over the damn Internet, and Chris is one of the most well known cows of all time, to the point where a lot of normies know who he is), but I know your account was created on May 22nd, 2024.

Consider lurking more and get a better feel of the site's zeitgeist.
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I was lurking since the time that Zack sued Waid which is a really long time however I only was seeing the stuff I was intrested in such as Weeb Wars (fun while it lasted) though I will admit I paid little attention to things as autisically as a lot of threads were gaining many pages overnight and no one has the time to read everything what with work sleep and all so I miss things. One does not learn everything just by watching. You have to interact, question and explore for that.
 
Incecticyder said:
I think we should treat that danger with as much seriousness as possible and call the authorities or report him on Youtube.
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Don't do gayops on KF.
I felt the need to handle Liam's suicide note of my own personal accord. I didn't consult with anyone on the Farms about it. I took action. Same with sending the police in Ottowa the video of Warcampaign's leader Ro posting pictures of his family (including his kids) and describing the ways he wanted Kiwi Farms users to torture and kill them.

Doing Ops on the Farms can get you in deeper shit than just pulling the lever and reporting what you think is a crime.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, the police will act when/if they see fit. We saw this with Riley.

Don't fuck around with anything you don't have HARD EVIDENCE for. None of this Court TV bullshit. None of this Law & Order bullshit.
Look up the laws, look up previous cases and make damn sure you're starting a fight you intend to see through. Don't cast a stone you're not prepared to have bounce back and hit you square in the face.

As annoying Old Man Ethan is, as far as I can tell he's just exploiting a loophole in Indiegogo's fineprint and they're paying him back by shadowbanning him. That's all. Scamming people is irrelevant when there's no legal measure to verify that. Indeigogo treats the Backer's money as donations, not as a pre-sales. Thus there's no legal responsibility for them to do anything about that Backer list or what's done with it once it's downloaded. They make you checkmark a box that says "Do you promise not to do naughty things with this information?" but that's the end of their legal agreement on that front.

Doxing isn't a crime in most States, and only 13 States have language regarding it and most of that is to protect politicians. We saw that with Matt Hanson (Panboy) and Matt Merz (Testosterone Overload). Granted Hanson got off with "littering on the internet" there was still a reprisal for internet badboy behavior. But again, Ethan's not crossed that line to the severity that Hanson did.

As is, it's more likely that one of the guys (coughRileycough) in the CG/Daxosphere releases his DMs to the police and RICO charges are brought against Ethan regarding the Eric July situation.

So get some popcorn, and relax. Tardmageddon is just warming up.
 
Olórin of Hype said:
Doing Ops on the Farms can get you in deeper shit than just pulling the lever and reporting what you think is a crime.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, the police will act when/if they see fit. We saw this with Riley.

Don't fuck around with anything you don't have HARD EVIDENCE for. None of this Court TV bullshit. None of this Law & Order bullshit.
Look up the laws, look up previous cases and make damn sure you're starting a fight you intend to see through. Don't cast a stone you're not prepared to have bounce back and hit you square in the face.
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I know enough to not act upon anything unless I am 100% of what I am doing but you can never be certain unless you have discussions with others. But that is why people talk. I am not here to make plans (for many reasons) especially ones that would get me involved directly with cows.

Olórin of Hype said:
Doxing isn't a crime in most States, and only 13 States have language regarding it and most of that is to protect politicians. We saw that with Matt Hanson (Panboy) and Matt Merz (Testosterone Overload). Granted Hanson got off with "littering on the internet" there was still a reprisal for internet badboy behavior. But again, Ethan's not crossed that line to the severity that Hanson did.
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Now that is interesting. I am not familiar with those. Care to elaborate on the differences and what is the point in which the line is crossed (keep it short though)? Pure interest.
 
Incecticyder said:
Now that is interesting. I am not familiar with those. Care to elaborate on the differences and what is the point in which the line is crossed (keep it short though)? Pure interest.
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Hanson and Merz were locked in an internet badass 1-Upping contest. Merz was caught on a Google hangouts declaring he was going to dox every aspect of Hanson's private life. Hanson thought it would be big brain reply with: "What are you gonna do when I show up on your doorstep?" (The two men occupy neighboring States in the Pacific northwest. This was an unlikely meeting, but not an impossible 6 hour drive for either fella.)

Merz, equally big brained at the time didn't want to be out done and thus went full "THE INTERNET IS A REAL PLACE":

(This is the edited version, I do not have the original of Merz in a mudroom waving guns around wearing a hockey mask.)

When mocked for this, Merz brought the memes made about him, to the State Attorney's office. As well as an assorted collection of "dude I will totally fight you in real life over comic books" DMs from Panboy. Each with varying degrees of psychopathy. The dildo memes of course were included in the evidence brought to the State Attorney from Merz's state. (I think it's Oregon). The State moved forward with charges of cyberharrassment based on Merz's current standing as a City councilor in his local municipality.

Due to covid the case was stretched beyond the State's willingness to investigate lowlevel internet trolls that get too "aggro". Thus a quick ruling was rendered against Matt Hanson for the crime of littering on the internet. There was some speculation that he was also ordered to Probation for this behavior, buuut that never surfaced as anything verified in the documents that I read regarding the ruling. Basically the State acknowledged Hanson was out of line, but struggled to define just what he had done to arrive at this civil violation.
 

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Gee Willows Wilson! said:
Ethan, stay away from those underage girls
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I'd be more worried about him taking underage boys to Pizza Hut...
KingofSomething said:
Was he going through a bipolar episode or what?
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Probably had some bad breakfast burritos.

EDIT: Ya Boi is returning to form after his feminist film freakout, and did a video about Mags saying he isn't actually transgender, and is just a schlubby autistic guy who got scared looking down the barrel of the wrong side of 30, and cutting his dick off is just gonna make things worse.
 
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Incecticyder said:
Unless the people who are being harassed come out, I do not think it is my place to do more than put EVS 's actions in writing. I do, however, think it is important to call out that behaviour for everyone watching. That and I do not trust Youtube 's definition of anything as well as the fact I do not know the laws regarding doxxing. For now, I think it is better to just discuss the pros and the cons of every course of action before acting upon it because, as the guidelines say "We are not an autistic Illuminati" and I am not planning on changing that. No one 's ideas are perfect and I will not claim the opposite about myself but I felt like dismissing doing anything about EVS outright even if things escalate is not a good idea either. That is all.
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I bet reeethan has a lawyer who has advised him that saying everything is just a joke will save his ass
anyway
 
Fluoxetine Man said:
I'd be more worried about him taking underage boys to Pizza Hut...

Probably had some bad breakfast burritos.

EDIT: Ya Boi is returning to form after his feminist film freakout, and did a video about Mags saying he isn't actually transgender, and is just a schlubby autistic guy who got scared looking down the barrel of the wrong side of 30, and cutting his dick off is just gonna make things worse.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ia5kcLX2o50
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https://kiwifarms.st/threads/tranny-sideshows-on-social-media.33028/page-6030#post-17792324

No matter how many hormones Mags takes, no matter what butchery he does to his body he won't ever be a woman. Zack, however, seems to think there are rare circumstances where this insanity makes sense. He's like, "Look if Mags went to a real psychiatrist, who really understood his case and he got a real diagnosis of gender dysphoria this would be totally ok. But Mags is obviously just a mentally ill man living in his own filth being taken advantage of by the surgery industry." He's so close to understanding it, but he has to throw in the "well, transition surgery isn't wrong for the real transgenders."

Mags, on the other hand, would cheerfully throw gasoline on Zack if Zack was on fire and he thought he could get away with it. That doesn't mean Zack is wrong here though, since Mags is just going to be even more grotesque after he gets, as Zack correctly calls it, "an open wound that will never heal." Mags is going to get even more deranged and be even more of a burden on the mainstream comics business. So while it's dumb to have sympathy for an insane retard, Mags getting actual psychiatric (or spiritual, but Zack doesn't believe in that) help would be better for everyone. So I can't really fault him for this video in that sense.
 
Olórin of Hype said:
Basically the State acknowledged Hanson was out of line, but struggled to define just what he had done to arrive at this civil violation.
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Honestly, I can very easily see how similar this thing is to what EVS is doing. However, this is very much a blurred line. Another judge could argue that, while immoral, the actions are not obviously illegal in a definitive way (as you said "struggled to define"). I think the difference between this case and whatever EVS gets into trouble for will be that he associates with some very bad people that will drag him down. If he gets sued and his accounts are filled with DMs from Dax and his friends, the judge/jury will assume the worst about him. Unlike Dax, he has kids and he really should not be hanging around these guys.

Mr Processor said:
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/tranny-sideshows-on-social-media.33028/page-6030#post-17792324

No matter how many hormones Mags takes, no matter what butchery he does to his body he won't ever be a woman. Zack, however, seems to think there are rare circumstances where this insanity makes sense. He's like, "Look if Mags went to a real psychiatrist, who really understood his case and he got a real diagnosis of gender dysphoria this would be totally ok. But Mags is obviously just a mentally ill man living in his own filth being taken advantage of by the surgery industry." He's so close to understanding it, but he has to throw in the "well, transition surgery isn't wrong for the real transgenders."

Mags, on the other hand, would cheerfully throw gasoline on Zack if Zack was on fire and he thought he could get away with it. That doesn't mean Zack is wrong here though, since Mags is just going to be even more grotesque after he gets, as Zack correctly calls it, "an open wound that will never heal." Mags is going to get even more deranged and be even more of a burden on the mainstream comics business. So while it's dumb to have sympathy for an insane retard, Mags getting actual psychiatric (or spiritual, but Zack doesn't believe in that) help would be better for everyone. So I can't really fault him for this video in that sense.
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I have some level of respect for Mags for gaming the system. He got work on his chosen field by being a mentally ill and that exposes his entire industry. That being said, he really should have improved his craft as his work would always run out the moment the even more diverse "talent" joined the industry. He should have expected that. Also, good on Zack for returning to form. If only he did not spent a month insulting his audience and disregarding their attempts to clear misunderstandings...
 
Anyone who has been here any length of time will know that there isn't any need for group action on Ethan, he has been the architect of his own destruction for a few years now (if not his entire career). The best thing anybody can do is simply not get suckered into another one of his pointless crowdfunders. This is happening already, albeit gradually. He's still profiting off of his salad days at DC, but the comparative quality of his work is pretty bad. It accentuates his worst tendencies as an artist: panels are crammed with so much unnecessary junk, the eye has a harder time following the action, and his Liefeldian grasp of anatomy (with better feet). Plus, there's the fact that Cyberfrog is one of the lamest concepts for a superhero ever and what makes matters worse, Ethan can't write or plot for shit.

The SJW takeover of all things entertainment really sucks but even if Cyberfrog was a highly acclaimed masterpiece, it wouldn't improve the situation for the legacy characters of the Big Two, which is precisely what caused the outrage to begin with. So as much as the entire crowdfunded indy comics scene has attracted all sorts of talent, it would take decades of really hard work and superstar talent before anything could really approach the impact of DC/Marvel in their heyday. What killed the industry is what also drove it from the publisher's standpoint: the desire for greater and greater returns for less and less value and effort. Once the drive to push the artistic envelope dies, once the need for collaboration gives way to greed and the creative process is centered on how to sell, it's only a matter of time until the whole property gets sold downstream.

None of the artists who left Marvel got better on their own with their own properties. McFarlane let others take the wheel on Spawn pretty quickly and found another fulltime occupation with his own toy company (though Spawn will never be as big or as cool as Spiderman) and Jim Lee found his way to DC. I don't think I need to mention Larsen, Portacio or Silvestri, but the same thing applies to them. They might have been paid better once out from under the stodgy stogie-sucking old men at Marvel, but it only hastened the new era of most new talent pouring into video games with the hacks settling for storyboarding Hollywood studio garbage, specifically for Disney. Sony, WB, Universal, & Fox weren't as intolerable if only for the fact that they weren't as blindingly successful initially.
 
There shouldn't be any gey ops to deplatform EVS but considering he flags people for harassment I don't have an issue if Eric or the people he harasses flag him, it's hard to not see 75 shows dedicated to one guy as harassment. But I doubt YF or EJ would ever do it, they don't want to get called out and will leave evs to, as people note burn his own home down.

He's not about comics really anymore, it should be very clear comicsgate died when Eric launched his company and evs attacked him.

I do agree evs wouldn't have been comics savior but I do think he could have done everything eric july did with better quality and easier . He just found life easier taking money from campaigns and using as little as possible on comics. He could have rallied some great talent, everything EJ struggles to do he could have done better as he likes to point out. While Image comics went the same route it did exist to give things like walking dead later on when those creators left. EVS could have created a similar conduit.

As for him doxxing people, I think it will be a night letter situation. Similar to the people who went after Reilly having to take down all their tweets showing him beating his gf, he may be able to drop letters to any vocal critics. I do think evs wouldn't talk about the exploit if he didn't use it.
 
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"Mr. President, a second Cyberfrog comic has hit the website."

[LINK] CyberFrog: Blood Honey
 
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Personally, my preferred course of action in this whole doxxing situation is this: Support. No touching of cows, no gay ops (I can see how you would think that this was what I wanted from my wording but I have no desire nor the capacity to pull such a thing of and if you guys had asked me to clarify, I would have), no nothing. Just support to those that are and will be harassed by EVS and his goons. Have them know that we will provide all the receipts they will need for a C & D or a lawsuit should things escalate.
 
Absurdity said:
Anyone who has been here any length of time will know that there isn't any need for group action on Ethan, he has been the architect of his own destruction for a few years now (if not his entire career).
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Yeah, EVS has not done himself any favors in the last year. Between his own private war with EJ and his new alliances with people like Dax, Vito, Riley, etc, he's fractured CG, alienated lots of former allies, and brought a whole other level of negative attention to himself.

I actually wonder if EVS' association with Dax and Riley will be the thing that really pulls him down? I caught last night's Kino Casino segment where Riley was screaming on camera about making it his life mission to destroy EJ. Riley said on camera that he is going to get EJ to murder him and/or was threatening EJ's life. EVS associating with Riley and egging him on seems like a fuck around and find out situation.
 
videoman said:
There shouldn't be any gey ops to deplatform EVS but considering he flags people for harassment I don't have an issue if Eric or the people he harasses flag him, it's hard to not see 75 shows dedicated to one guy as harassment.
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My position is I don't support Ethan being deplatformed, and I would in no way condone or participate in it, but if it does happen I would play the world's smallest violin.

I think that is fair and reasonable. I am forbidden from neghole pozzing, but nowhere is it written I have to go foaming at the mouth because some online personality the Farms follows eats a ban.

I would say a ban would be a net positive for Ethan personally, and CG in general, because then maybe he'd work on his books (I have seen people's productivity nosedive when they are too connected to social media), but I think we all know if that happened he'd just sign up for Rumble or some alternative streaming service and keep going. Comicsgate is not about making comics. It's about Ethan bloviating for hours at a time and collecting superchats from the braindead. It's gay.
 
Banning him can make a martyr and then he will play victim etc, that's why sunlight is the best disinfectant - him melting down is pushing his own audience away and permanently at that.

Let nature run its course and just sit back and relax 😎
 
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