r/fuckcars / Not Just Bikes / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[Kyria the Great]

One thing that baffles me is the FuckCars dim view of wearing a helmet while riding a bike. Now I know growing up I didn't wear when I rode to high school, which I should, but looking back I realize how utterly reckless that was and all it took was something wrong to get plowed and seriously hurt or kill me.
I mean there is only upsides to wearing some protection and acting like it only because of cars is profoundly arrogant and retarded.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

It’s because of some weird “helmets make less people bike” which is some seriously stupid cope.

I’ll admit to not wearing a helmet all the time but shit, that’s on me.

 

[Apple Porcupine]

The thing that always pissed me off about cyclists was their desire to have both the privileges of pedestrians and drivers, while also shirking the responsibility of both.

If they moved at "human speed" as these people say, sidewalks would be more than enough. People walking or running could easily go around them and you wouldn't need a helmet provided you're not going faster than typical human running speed.

But they don't want that because that's not fast enough. So they insist they can't use sidewalks and instead want to take up spaces in the streets for cars. At that point they really should wear a helmet but then you're shaming or victim-blaming them despite plenty of accidents not involving cars at all.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

The thing that always pissed me off about cyclists was their desire to have both the privileges of pedestrians and drivers, while also shirking the responsibility of both.

If they moved at "human speed" as these people say, sidewalks would be more than enough. People walking or running could easily go around them and you wouldn't need a helmet provided you're not going faster than typical human running speed.

But they don't want that because that's not fast enough. So they insist they can't use sidewalks and instead want to take up spaces in the streets for cars. At that point they really should wear a helmet but then you're shaming or victim-blaming them despite plenty of accidents not involving cars at all.

Yeah.

Vehicle hits cyclist: "They were reckless. They should be charged with attempted murder."
Cyclist hits pedestrian: "DON'T THEY KNOW BETTER THAN TO GET IN A CYCLISTS' WAY?"

Same entitlement shows up with slow-moving pedestrians, too.

 

[LaxerBRO]

As an Euro who took some local trains (more and less fancy ones) I can assure you that food served on trains is usually just reheated and overpriced slop- and the worst part is that the whole train car stinks for so long after someone decides to order something like this; obviously you can't open windows on high speed trains.

The train they are on is the Eurocity Berliner between Prague - Berlin, which has a total travel time of about 4 and a half hours.

This is either a vacation or them going on an overnight work trip.

I think that this is important as this is not part of ones normal daily activities. Their is just a different mindset between the grind of home / work vs a trip. As to driving, I could just drive to a nice restaurant along the route there enjoy a nice meal and stroll, then continue my drive. Chances are that my meal is probably going to be better than what's served on the train. A personal example is when I went out with a buddy of mine on his boat in San Diego. When I used to live in Thousand Oaks, it would be faster to take the train than to drive. Guess what though, I still drove most of the time. I usually began my trip with breakfast at Brent's deli and would stop by Hunters steakhouse in Oceanside for lunch. We cooked with we caught on this boat and I would spend the evening at his place before I drove back up. When compared to the food available of even Amtrak's longer routes (Southwest Chief or the Zephyr) the food at established restaurants was always better.

 

[Yamamura]

Yeah.

Vehicle hits cyclist: "They were reckless. They should be charged with attempted murder."
Cyclist hits pedestrian: "DON'T THEY KNOW BETTER THAN TO GET IN A CYCLISTS' WAY?"

Same entitlement shows up with slow-moving pedestrians, too.

The lack of self awareness in the whataboutism is hilarious. If it was about bringing up a bigger more dangerous vehicle that always has right of way, cars could complain about trains.

I was reading some of the comments on bike videos in NY featuring near misses with pedestrians and it's funny how urbanists are like "roads are for everyone", until it comes to the bike lane where they say "STAY OUT OF THE BIKE LANE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET HIT".

It's like they almost understand the concept that you should yield to a faster vehicle that has it's own protected lane/infrastructure and that both can coexist safely if they just follow the rules. Until the fact that vehicle is a car enters the equation. Then we're right back at square one again.

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

For me it's the Glasgow subway map.
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You need some faith in your life, brother.

 

[TowinKarz]

I'll add that when you've got your own car there are just so many things in your life you suddenly have complete control over. Leave when you want, get there when you want, not deal with crazies riding with you, guaranteed ability to haul luggage around, not be as tethered to public transit for the range you can be employed, etc etc. Things I'm sure have been brought up a hundred times here.

And the feeble complaints of the urbanists pale in comparison to that:

"But, you have to pay for gas....." Yes. And?

"But, you have to go back to the car after you park it" Yes. And?

"But, it might get stolen" Yes. And?

These are all matters of completely triviality or doomsday scenarios that aren't likely to happen with the right precautions.

It’s because of some weird “helmets make less people bike” which is some seriously stupid cope.

I’ll admit to not wearing a helmet all the time but shit, that’s on me.

It's bleed-over from the greater prog/lefty idea that they, as "perfect" citizens-of-the-world and right-side-of-history-livers? The ONLY way bad things happen to them is through either deliberate sabotage by Nazis or the ignorance of the unwashed masses "not knowing better" that can easily be proselytized away through activism.

These are the same people who think "don't rape women" classes in kindergarten would solve sex crimes.

 

[Harambe]

These are the same people who think "don't rape women" classes in kindergarten would solve sex crimes.

Considering that it's not a value held anywhere outside of Northwestern Europe and its child civilizations, and has not been around for longer than like, a few decades in those places, it might be worth a try! Westernized black people, Africans, all Asians, Southern and Eastern Euros, they come from extraordinarily rape-tolerant cultures. Southern and Eastern Europe have extraordinarily antifeminist attitudes, conservative religions built on secret-keeping, and accept sexual violence as being a component of masculine sexuality. Backwardness toward women is dug in like a tick in their minds. All West Asian and Muslim societies are intolerable and do not belong in a community with our civilization. Rape, pederasty, and bestiality are dominant fetishes in pornography from East Asia, subcons are just spiritually disgusting, and Africans may not be considerable as ethical subjects the way other groups are, due to their immense population-wide intellectual disabilities. Unfortunately we can't get rid of shittier people, we need them to toil, and also, they produce geniuses every now and again in spite of how detestable and base their spirits and cultures are. There's no cure for being Kazakh (or whatever flavor of awful one happens to be) unfortunately, so we'll have to try and change their minds through pervasive brainwashing and education, otherwise we will have to start killing them or enslaving+castrating them.

Maybe people need to be told early and often. Multi-generational efforts of persuasion and culture production from feminists is the main reason we have the rape = bad idea at all.

 

[-VorpalAnvil-]

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[quaawaa]

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That’s just right-wing urbanism. Even in a 100% White neighborhood, people pick houses with more land over houses with less land and any house over an apartment if they can afford it.

It’s just that until recently no one could afford anything nice so conservatives who long for the “good times” think that people have always wanted to live like a 19th century European proletarian. This idea is also promoted by European governments who have masterfully kept their people too poor to afford large houses (and in many cities, any house) while convincing them that they’re rich. The powers that be in both the US and Europe also want a “Return to Tradition”, but it’s one where you’re a serf living in a pod and they’re the feudal lords living in country houses and only occasionally staying in a massive townhouse.

Also, cities were disgusting until long after the invention of the car. It wasn’t until industry, not people, moved to the suburbs that the cities started to become nicer. At that point though, their changing demographics had made them unsafe. European cities avoided the demographic collapse, but they still sucked until around the same time.

Giuliani/Bloomberg’s NYC police state is probably the only time in history when a dense American city was a nice place to live by modern standards, but even then, the rich still preferred to live in mansions in the Hamptons and commute in to the city.

 

[Kyria the Great]

Giuliani/Bloomberg’s NYC police state is probably the only time in history when a dense American city was a nice place to live by modern standards, but even then, the rich still preferred to live in mansions in the Hamptons and commute in to the city.

Well there's always the El Salvador borderline police state option to throw the criminal dregs into the most depressing prison in masse, but the pushback from media and "human rights" to human rights organizations would make it near impossible with considerable political will.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

The train they are on is the Eurocity Berliner between Prague - Berlin, which has a total travel time of about 4 and a half hours.

This is either a vacation or them going on an overnight work trip.

I think that this is important as this is not part of ones normal daily activities. Their is just a different mindset between the grind of home / work vs a trip. As to driving, I could just drive to a nice restaurant along the route there enjoy a nice meal and stroll, then continue my drive. Chances are that my meal is probably going to be better than what's served on the train. A personal example is when I went out with a buddy of mine on his boat in San Diego. When I used to live in Thousand Oaks, it would be faster to take the train than to drive. Guess what though, I still drove most of the time. I usually began my trip with breakfast at Brent's deli and would stop by Hunters steakhouse in Oceanside for lunch. We cooked with we caught on this boat and I would spend the evening at his place before I drove back up. When compared to the food available of even Amtrak's longer routes (Southwest Chief or the Zephyr) the food at established restaurants was always better.

I'm not sure what they even think is good food. They constantly mock the chains that populate suburbia but the true "urbanist" has to settle for less.

First, I can't imagine train food being better than a real restaurant for the same price. It deals with a very much captive audience, so they can get away with it. Secondly, while cities as a whole have a great variety of fantastic restaurants, those aren't necessarily all in the same place. In a true "urban" neighborhood, you're limited to what's there, and even a good restaurant within walking distance you'll soon tire of. Unsurprisingly, most of these people without cars in urban areas opt for delivery.
Thirdly, unless you're extremely rich, urban grocery stores suck. They're small, overpriced and have low-quality perishables....and even if you can do that, good luck cooking in your shoebox apartment!

 

[Bonesjones]

The powers that be in both the US and Europe also want a “Return to Tradition”, but it’s one where you’re a serf living in a pod and they’re the feudal lords living in country houses and only occasionally staying in a massive townhouse.

I think a lot of the bougie urbanist people have this weird twee Wes Anderson style romanticism about how they think history was.

Also, cities were disgusting until long after the invention of the car. It wasn’t until industry, not people, moved to the suburbs that the cities started to become nicer. At that point though, their changing demographics had made them unsafe. European cities avoided the demographic collapse, but they still sucked until around the same time.

Leaded gasoline was only banned 50 years ago and caused untold problems in the majority urban areas. Coal power plants covered everything in soot and smog. People have no idea how dirty and nasty cities were until very recently. We banned smoking inside bars 5 years ago and you forget all about it until you walk into one during daylight and see the nicotine yellow haze over everything. You can date the decorations by how white they are.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

That’s just right-wing urbanism. Even in a 100% White neighborhood, people pick houses with more land over houses with less land and any house over an apartment if they can afford it.

Michael Moore also made a similar argument, that the creation of the American suburb was in response to the civil rights movement and the desire of rich whites to self-segregate from urban black people because of muh racism. When in reality, it's just that people with money like living in nice places.

I think it was from Bowling for Columbine, where he also makes an argument that America's gun culture is motivated by anti-injun or anti-black racism, and even goes as far as to make the bold claim that Samuel Colt's motivation for developing his revolving pistols was to arm white southerners to put down potential slave revolts.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Michael Moore also made a similar argument, that the creation of the American suburb was in response to the civil rights movement and the desire of rich whites to self-segregate from urban black people because of muh racism. When in reality, it's just that people with money like living in nice places.

Niggers certainly don't help cities today, but people started moving to the suburbs well before the tumultuous 1960's and the civil rights movement.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Michael Moore also made a similar argument, that the creation of the American suburb was in response to the civil rights movement and the desire of rich whites to self-segregate from urban black people because of muh racism. When in reality, it's just that people with money like living in nice places.

The problem is that there are lots and lots of pre-WWII, pre-Civil Rights suburbs, with the streetcar suburbs in the early 20th century.

The suburbs are basically the "country estate" for the masses.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

People moved to the suburbs before they were even called that - we just called them small towns at the time, because everything was slower so you had to have various support structures in place in the small towns. The car enabled the suburbs to divest with a bunch of that support infrastructure (for a time!) because you could just do the needful on the way back from work. Now suburbs have swung back to the "small town" style where each one is clustered around a shopping mall of various size and amenities, because that's where the customer is.

If you're autistically interested in this shit, these railroad atlases that show old stations and discontinued lines are a godsend: http://www.gearedsteam.com/books/atlases-01.htm You can learn that what is now a major suburb of some megacity was its own town and railstop 150 years ago.

As a fun aside, there were basically r/fucktrains groups 150 years ago because those things were loud and caused all sorts of problems.

 

[Apple Porcupine]

God these people are sociopaths. "Yeah this widely-liked celebrity had a near death experience, but have you thought of the negatives this will do for CYCLING?!"

Source, Archive

 

[Yamamura]

Source, Archive

He was riding for sport. Also, you'll find that the behavior of a "cyclist" often differs from that of a person riding for transportation.

They're the same people. It's not a Venn diagram it's a circle.