Doxing "new right" figures is pointlessly arbitrary and extremely counterproductive

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Today, The Guardian published a rather long and rambling piece (Archive) doxing an internet personality named Lomez—a man with 60 thousand Twitter followers who runs a publishing house that prints works by “new right” authors such as Steve Sailer and Nick Land. The piece isn’t newsworthy. It’s the sort of thing that no respectable outlet would have considered printing in the early 2010s. It’s only purpose is to say “here is the name of a man who says things I don’t like; it sure would be a shame if he suffered professional consequences.”


I do not desire to defend the beliefs of Mr. Lomez or any of the authors who publish under his imprint. But I just wonder why it is that one of the U.K.’s largest newspapers felt the need to expose the identity of a mid-tier internet guy when much more consequentially malignant figures—left and right—are allowed to exist freely among the media elite. Do they want the right to be nothing but Alex Joneses and Sean Hannities? How are any of these writers more worrisomely fascist than, say, Nikki Haley, or even Barack Obama?

So many examples spring to mind I hesitate to even list them—it almost feels too easy. Just two off the top of my head, and I’m sticking to Democrats here because they get the gladhand treatment from every mainstream outlet other than Fox: Ezekiel Emanuel, brother to Rham and Ari, wrote a book about how people over 75 years of age should be euthanized because that’s the cut off point when they can no longer work and human life has no value if it’s not earning a wage. He is still a senior fellow at the Centre for American Progress, a member of Biden’s COVID advisory board, and a vice provost at the U-Penn school of medicine. If you or I were pictured handing this man an award, we would suffer no real consequences.

Or—I’m sorry to do this, easy target, I know—consider Hillary Clinton. As Secretary of State, the erstwhile Most Qualified Candidate in American History personally intervened to insure that Haiti did not raise its minimum wage from 21 cents an hour to 64 cents an hour. She engineered the Honduran coup and is very directly responsible for turning Libya into one of the world’s largest slave markets. Hillary might not be popular among the hard left, but she’s still free to exist unmolested within our media ecosphere, and you are still free to support her. No one is getting fired for paying her to give a speech. She can pump out a shitty book or Netflix show every year or two, and the personnel involved in these projects do not need to fear being permanently blacklisted from white collar employment.

On his twitter feed, Lomez claims that the reporter had stalked him for months, texted his wife, and attempted to get friends of his fired for associating with him. This might sound extreme if you’ve never been through something similar, but I find it completely plausible: friends and former colleagues of mine faced similar threats after I pseudonymously published an essay that very gently criticized cancel culture in higher ed from an avowedly left-wing perspective. And that was pre-Trump. Things have gotten significantly more vicious since then.

Regardless of whether the subject of the attack is a “brocialist” who was insufficiently differential to the DNC or an “alt right” figure who dared published something that resembled right-wing populism, this is how the attacks always play out. There’s no attempt to engage with anything a Bad Guy has said or written. Today’s left has such little confidence in the strength of their own ideas they consider the act of persuasion a form of violence. Instead, they present a handful of incendiary quotes bereft of context, make some vague intonations about the nascent rise of neo-fascism, then provide a list of names and addresses to ensure that their readers will contact the proper HR departments. It’s scuzzy. It’s gross. It’s counterproductive and goes a very long way in legitimizing the comments that warranted the attack. And it’s now absolutely mainstream.
 
Found on /r/stupidpol, the last bastion of sane socialists on Reddit. Here are some choice comments.
The Guardian article can be divided into four parts:
  1. we doxed the bad motherfucker
  2. never heard of him? this motherfucker
  3. how we doxed the motherfucker
  4. Epilogue: Donate to the Guardian to protect free journalism

How do we stop this guy from spreading propaganda... I know, we'll tell everyone about their epic propaganda then make sure they can't have any job besides full-time propagandist!

The problem is that our descent into aggressive thought policing occurred simultaneous to us abandoning any abstract principles that could be used to determine the appropriateness of thought.

There's no coherent standard that determines whether a statement is very good and valid ("white people shouldn't be allowed to vote!"), problematic but undeserving of punishment ("Israel is just defending itself!") or so evil and fascist that the family of the guy who wrote it should be rendered unemployable (using a naughty word to say that the government really fucked up the response to COVID).

This isn't that huge a deal for most people. But if you wish to express yourself publicly in this milieu without being heavily censured, you need to, 1) be keyed-in enough to know which of these statements is arbitrarily associated with Good Guys vs. Bad Guys, and, 2) be spineless enough repeat the Good Guy slogans and scummy enough to punish those whose sentiments drift too close to the Bad Guy slogans.
 
Please keep doxxing new right figures it won't lead to their martyrdom in Europe as crazy leftists can murder their leaders without much punishment and in the US leads to the death of the pozzed and retarded class that want to hurt white people. No please doxx the right and give them nothing to lose I want to be entertained lefties, please give me some catharsis here.
 
I remember years and years ago on a different and gayer forum being shown the TOR site of the doxx of various members of Hope Not Hate and Antifa and Searchlight members as justification for why the lefties are allowed to basically ruin the lives of people like Tommy Robinson
 
It's becoming manifestly clear from the most recent round of doxings that it's not working for them anymore. The people being targeted are using it to laugh all the way to the bank with more book sales and notoriety. People aren't afraid anymore. They're mocking the people that do it as the hacks and aloggers they are.

Without fear of social repercussions and censure, doxing is an impotent tool. There's only one thing they can do to make it fearful again, and doing it would make it impossible to to openly dox someone in a publication without the doxer suffering FAFO themselves.
 
The best part about this particular doxing was that they didn't publish any photos of the guy because he is a normal, happy successful looking dude. His mutuals and publishees started spamming his photos after the hitpiece.

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>Nick Land
>"new right"

We need a definition of "right wing" now more than ever. Nick Land is a meth addict fiction author. His politics are so unrealistic and batshit insane that you can't even really call them politics because they are just wacked out mental masturbation.
 
The political no bad tactics, only bad targets view on doxxing goes hand in hand with the "right side of history" mindset.
Or as Carl Schmitt put it, politics is just a friend/enemy distinction, which is why appeals to hypocrisy, "the REAL racists", or Hillary Clinton's sociopathy fall on deaf ears.

It's becoming manifestly clear from the most recent round of doxings that it's not working for them anymore. The people being targeted are using it to laugh all the way to the bank with more book sales and notoriety.
Can't remember the last time I paid for a book (have a stack of free .epubs of classics), but I'm literally looking up Passage Press to buy a few. I'll get more radical, he'll see a surge in sales of radicalizing literature as the outcome of Trantifa's efforts, win-win. Don't even care if it's a grift, it's rewarding WrongThink and laughing at the Regime's spiteful mutants.
 
We need a definition of "right wing" now more than ever.

I started listening to the archives of what presumably is a "new right" podcast based on a suggestion from A&N.

They post an interview or a book review almost daily from personalities I've never heard of despite my lurking on rignt-wing Twitter quite frequently.
 
I started listening to the archives of what presumably is a "new right" podcast based on a suggestion from A&N.

They post an interview or a book review almost daily from personalities I've never heard of despite my lurking on rignt-wing Twitter quite frequently.

This comes from the fact that there are ideas considered so untouchable that even to associate with people who have them is worthy of being unpersoned. So there are a huge number of islands of right-wing thought right now, where people who only hear from mega-influencers will be pretty much cut off from a lot of various groups. Some of those groups are retard-tier, some have really interesting and thought-provoking stuff.

As ever, I think it's easier for people to diagnose problems in society than to have a solution that makes sense...and having a great eye for criticism doesn't mean your "and this is what to do about it" plans make any sense at all. This is true on all the "sides." If people would stop the nonsensical behavior pattern where they love someone's social critique so they immediately accept all their plans for how to make the world better, we'd have a lot better-vetted ideas and maybe people would be able to start coming up with smarter solutions based on several critiques at once.
 
Steve Sailer isn't New Right. He got booted from the National Review like 20 years ago or something. He's been writing about Noticing for a long time. And golf courses.
 
The "journalist" works for Bellincat? Wasn't that media website created by the CIA?
It gets better a Somethingawful goon named "brown moses" basically ran around twitter and reddit posting photos and doing what is basically OSINT and started getting funding for his media organization and yeah I wouldnt have a hard time believing he gets state department funding.

The problem is doxing goes hand in hand with cancleing the problem with cancling people is there has to be a line, for the digital leench mob and once too many people get burned or too many comic artist hang themselves it falls out of fashion.
 
The problem is doxing goes hand in hand with cancleing the problem with cancling people is there has to be a line, for the digital leench mob and once too many people get burned or too many comic artist hang themselves it falls out of fashion.
what if we start using doxing for good, like find reviewbrah and send him fat stacks of cash and hookers and fast food
 
It gets better a Somethingawful goon named "brown moses" basically ran around twitter and reddit posting photos and doing what is basically OSINT and started getting funding for his media organization and yeah I wouldnt have a hard time believing he gets state department funding.
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Just since everyone needs to know how silly it is that Bellingcat is taken seriously by anyone as often as possible, if memory serves, what the bolded part means is basically asking Goons in Platoons for information to even publish what he did.

Basically the flow of information was "the Internet" > Brown Moses > GiP > ??? > Brown Moses' twitter as "facts"
 
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